Tony Greig: The forgotten great all-rounder

By Insight Edge / Roar Rookie

With the eight-year anniversary of his death approaching, now is the right time to reappraise the irrepressible Tony Greig.

Too often Greig’s on-field success is overlooked by his detractors, who have vilified him for his association, when England captain, with the Kerry Packer World Series Cricket (WSC). However, the same people overlook the enormous contribution that WSC made at the time and benefits reaped by every modern cricketer.

For any batsman to average over 40 batting at No. 6 is highly credible. For an all-rounder it is outstanding. Add the 141 wickets he took bowling fast medium and occasional off spin in his 58 Tests and a staggering 87 catches and his contributions are greater still. Greig’s catching ratio of 1.5 is far superior to Ian Botham and both Chappell brothers and exceeded only by Bob Simpson.

In many ways Greig was the perfect bridge between Gary Sobers’s retirement in 1973, when Greig was just settling into Test cricket, and his own banishment in 1977, when both Ian Botham and Imran Khan emerged as a genuine all-rounder contenders and successors.

Tony Greig (Photo by John Williams/Daily Express/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

However, unlike Botham, Greig was an outstanding and inspirational captain who led England to a rare away win in India in 1977. Greig was a far better batsman than Botham (averaging 33) and while Botham took 3.75 wickets per Test, Greig at 2.43 is not far behind.

Both were pivotal figures in the team, but Greig’s 58 Tests were on the whole against much stronger teams, like the budding Australians in 1972, the Indian spin quartet on spinning pitches in 1973-73 and 1977, the West Indies emerging after Sobers with Andy Roberts, Viv Richards and Michael Holding. Of course Greig taking on Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson in Australia in 1974-75 has gone down in cricket folklore.

Botham was a direct beneficiary of Greig’s banishment and exclusion due to WSC. As a result, Botham’s early Tests were played against teams weakened by loss of players to WSC or the rebel tours to South Africa, which depleted Australia significantly in 1985-86.

Botham’s home record reverts to type – higher batting average, lower bowling average – whereas Greig’s away records are highly impressive in both batting and bowling. Indeed Greig’s 87 wickets in just 27 Tests at an average of under 30 abroad shows his true class and versatility. He took 15 wickets in the West Indies in 1973 bowling off spin. But Greig never came close to dominating a series as Botham did in 1981, though his contributions were important every time.

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In pure cricketing terms Greig was the only true great all-rounder post-Sobers and before Imran Khan emerged. Kapil Dev and Hadlee were bowlers who batted very well much like Botham. But Greig and Imran Khan were far superior, and it is great shame – indeed shameful – that Greig is never mentioned when ‘experts’ talk of the great all-rounders. It’s like his achievements have been removed from the record books!

Greig has been vilified in England because he was central to WSC and famously sued the England Cricket Board in the courts for restraint of trade when the ECB refused to allow him to join WSC. Greig won, backed by paymasters Kerry Packer and Channel Nine. Times were different, but it looked bad without doubt. John Woodcock of The Times put the knife in by claiming that Greig was not really a (proper) Englishman.

Of course there was Douglas Jardine, another foreigner, who brought English cricket into disrepute 50 years before with bodyline tactics.

True ‘Englishmen’ were mostly Yorkshiremen. The same Englishmen who refused to tour India or Pakistan when selected, who decided when it was convenient to play for England, who abandoned the England team mid-tour by ‘retiring’ in tough conditions and going on a rebel ‘England’ tour a few days later to apartheid South Africa for money – and true Englishmen cashed in on more than one rebel tour.

Greig also cast a very long shadow on West Indians with the Alvin Kallicharran ‘run out’ and the abhorrent “make them grovel” speech. It still sounds as chilling as it did that evening when he was speaking on Sportsnight in an accent then only associated with apartheid South Africa. As Dennis Amiss said it meant the West Indies went up from 90 miles per hour to 95 miles per hour when Greig came into bat.

No wicket was more prized that summer than Greig’s. He was smart enough to realise the harm he had caused, and he grovelled on his hands and knees in front of the West Indies fans at the Oval. Nothing was cheered louder all year. It meant the West Indies players were eventually persuaded by him to sign up with WSC, although the famous commas in Michael Holding bank deposit book would have helped too.

Greig remained unforgiven with the hierarchy in England, and unfairly so. However, I doubt he ever lost any sleep over it. Many of England’s leading players signed up with WSC, and others who went on rebel tours to South Africa and were welcomed back after serving their bans. But not Greig.

No professional cricketer, from the young second-team player to Virat Kohli and Steven Smith, would be earning the sums they earn were it not for Tony Greig. Prior to WSC England players were paid £200 per Test match. A year later with sponsorship from Cornhill Insurance it was £2000 per Test. Greig’s stance opened vast opportunities for professional cricketers during their playing days and after retirement. As he frequently said, the only option before was to become an umpire.

Tony Greig did for the professional cricket what Billie Jean King did for tennis.

The innovations introduced by WSC and Greig on how cricket is presented, even from the treetops in the West Indies, are now standard practice.

Greig was much loved in Australia and around the world by cricket lovers with his gadgets and ‘player comfort’ ratings. As someone who grew up in South Africa it was understandable that he wasn’t ‘English enough’, but he never gave less than 100 per cent

The anniversary of his death on 29 December, in a horror year for humanity, is the right time to give the due credit to Greigy as a great all-rounder who sacrificed his career for the greater good from which every professional cricketer and administrator since has benefited. That is a huge legacy.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2020-12-24T15:26:08+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Just want to add that Stokes has the time and talent to join Sobers and others in the premier ranks. Also with Pollock you would expect more than just 2 hundreds to show that he made important runs when needed. He played in a very strong batting team so hardly needed to rescue the team. Unfortunately, this is where he loses out to Botham and Kapil Dev. However, no doubt that he deserves to be in the conversation far more often.

AUTHOR

2020-12-24T14:06:51+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Fair enough, he was a very good all-rounder. However we are talking about the great all-rounders here.I saw all of Pollock's career (as well as Imran, Grieg and Kapil Dev) and not I'm sure he would even qualify as a genuine all-rounder. Would he get into a team on his batting alone? I don't think so. But certainly Pollock has more claim than Hadlee in terms of batting while their bowling numbers are similar. I don't recall any dominating heroics from Pollock as we saw from Botham, Kapil Dev and now Stokes. So Pollock would be on the second rung of the ladder with Botham, Stokes and Kapil Dev who would be ahead of Pollock as he was sole fast bowler for India and effective in Asian conditions. Sobers, Imran Khan, Kallis and Grieg would be on the first

2020-12-24T13:48:07+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Probably because he batted #7 and lower.

2020-12-24T13:11:43+00:00

Gee

Roar Rookie


A little off track but Shuan Pollock is another forgotten all rounder. Played 100+ tests and averaged 23 bowling and 32 batting. Elite player for more than a decade but rarely gets mentioned when all time great dicussions happen.

AUTHOR

2020-12-23T23:18:42+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Couldn't agree more, and all the more reason for appreciating Grieg as more than a great all-rounder. Indeed, it seems from those who meet him a pleasant man too unless on the pitch and you were the opposition which is how it should be. Tough but fair. And remember, as commentator, he never got on the "when I was playing....." wagon like some I could name and shame.

2020-12-23T22:46:27+00:00

Mike

Guest


What an unpleasant comment which makes me think you're too young to have been around then. WSC was a huge thing at the time - huge news. The world changes when people step forward and do things to change it. You are right in inferring that if WSC hadn't happened then eventually things would've changed before Virat and Smith arrived but the point is it was Greig and co. that made the change. It is right and just to acknowledge what he achieved. By your reckoning why bother acknowledging Hillary for climbing Everest? If not him then somebody else would've done it by now anyway. The point is it was him just as it was Greig. So yes, Virat and Smith are beneficiaries of Greig's actions. No long bow at all perhaps just some lack of grace on your part.

2020-12-23T14:13:39+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


So did I. Nup.

2020-12-23T12:00:48+00:00

Kicker

Roar Rookie


Pat Cummins . You have to be kidding. Did you ever see Proctor bat ? I did. South African provincial cricket was very strong in the late 60’s and 70’s. He scored 155 at Newlands against the Australians for Western Province batting at 5. Proctor at his peak was rated 2nd only to Gary Sobers as an all rounder Clive Rice I reckon was a far superior bowler and batsman to Tony Greig. I saw them both of them play. No comparison.

2020-12-23T11:57:48+00:00

Kalva

Roar Rookie


To be honest, Cook was close to being dropped anyway( or he would have been if he wasn't Sir Alastair!) Tendulkar should have retired 2 years before he did

2020-12-23T11:54:57+00:00

Kalva

Roar Rookie


It was a fine hundred...in fact, I thought of that match last week when Pujara was stonewalling on day 1 as I recall Boycott doing the same and Gower's innings later on which helped to win that match. Thought Gower's batting in 1982-83 against a strong Aus attack was sublime...Botham was totally AWOL that series.

AUTHOR

2020-12-23T11:01:17+00:00

Insight Edge

Roar Rookie


Matth, there were some things I wanted readers to look for themselves as good students :silly: Grieg's batting average at 40.43 is a clear 7 points ahead of Botham. This is far greater than the difference in wickets per match and Grieg also trumps Botham in catches per match. While Grieg never had a dominant series like Botham in 1981, he did have great performances as I've highlighted since in my comments. Another interesting yardstick is away record where Grieg is way ahead. I've also said that Botham was a direct beneficiary of WSC and official teams being depleted and as someone pointed out Botham never managed the same success against WI and Pakistan who were the strongest teams at the time.Isn't this the ultimate test? Botham's major success was against Australia who had lost many good players to WSC and rebel tours and were going through a period of transition from 1979/89 the period of Botham's domination against them. Apart from losing players to WSC and rebel tours Australia lost Chappell, Marsh and Lille to retirement in the early 80's. After that only Border was a regular test quality player and they had many changes until the likes of Taylor, Waugh brothers, Dean Jones, Lawson around 1989 and a bit later McGrath and Warne. Botham was done by 1986/87 and should really have retired with a grand farewell that he, and Gower, deserved. But like all sportsmen they thought there was more when the tank was empty. Cook showed the way to go properly.

2020-12-23T09:59:21+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


I'll look at that. I teach parolees timber skills now. I'll never go back to HS to teach. I loved teaching kids but the false accusation has killed my desire to teach kids ------ The Angles and Saxons are, as you'd know, a small part of the entire Germanic group. Norse, Vikings, Alemanni, Friesians, Jutes, Danes, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Lombards, Franks, etc. ----- T Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Churchill, JFK, MLK, Neil Armstrong, Chifley, Menzies all used simple Germanic words to cut thru. Using Latin words, via the French, loses the masses.

2020-12-23T09:22:10+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


I see, I would have counted Angles and Saxons as Scandys at that time, but now I totally understand your description :) If you want a nice history/metalwork project your humanities department will love you for, see if you can get kids to make a functioning Groma. It's like a Roman version of a spirit level, they used it to make sure that their roads drained from the centre outwards. There are descriptions and pictures online but no blueprints or instructions! Consider the gauntlet well and truely thrown down :happy: :thumbup:

2020-12-23T09:07:32+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


It was German first as per the Angles and Saxons. Then Billy the Kid rode-in in 1066 bringing the French language with him. —— All the great, significant speeches in English are based on simple Germanic words.

2020-12-23T08:42:37+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


Well I teach Industrial tech/design and English and I'm horrified by that description. It should be French mongrelized by German :laughing:

2020-12-23T08:38:51+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


Never saw him bat or bowl but he was pretty good with a sharpish key :laughing:

2020-12-23T05:07:00+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Insight Edge, When we select all-time or periodic teams over many decades, we must take certain things on trust. The very first assumption is that a player from 1890, or 1930, or 1970, will be provided the same advantages as today's players. That is, he will be afforded a common denominator of modern fitness, scientific nutrition & health, etc, etc. The second assumption usually is that he brings the skills that made him great in his own era, & is able to add value to them in the modern, or current era. You think that Smith, who I like, was a much more enterprising batsman than either Cowdrey or Graveney. Looked from our modern viewpoint, this is true enough. But Cowdrey & Graveney were hardly dawdlers in their day. In fact, they were both considered enterprising for their time. So the assumption is, that if brought to the modern era, they would of course be brought up to speed with everyone else, & be enterprising enough today as they were in their prime. This is the other thing than amazes me. Some people say, especially in relation to the rugby codes, that today's behemoths would kill players from 50, or 70, or 100 years ago. Of course they would. But when you bring champions of the past, & mix them with champions of the present, you use the common denominator of the present to make them all more or less equal. That's how it works. Today's players may be bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic & play many more tests, but they're not necessarily intuitively more talented. The ultimate test, is how dominant a player was in their own era, is the persistent yardstick by which we measure players. Not number of tests played, or bigger size & better bats, or more scientific training & equipment, but inherent talent.

2020-12-23T04:25:09+00:00

Chui

Guest


Everything about his playing ability has been said. My son played against and with Greig's son in junior cricket, and it would be common for Tony to be offering tips to opposition boys after the game. In the beginning, I wanted to dislike him because he played for England, but, as is often the case, meeting the real person and watching another side to them offered up a completely different perspective.

2020-12-23T03:59:03+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


“Greig was a far better batsman than Botham (averaging 33) and while Botham took 3.75 wickets per Test, Greig at 2.43 is not far behind.” I’m not sure your numbers display this. the gap in wickets per test is higher (in percentage terms) than the gap between their batting averages. None of this takes away from the fact that Tony Greig was one of the great all rounders and probably the most underrated.

2020-12-23T03:54:35+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Yes. He was an all rounder but just a competent batsman; not a compelling test batsman. Definitely a better bowler than Greig but not a better all rounder than Greig.

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