Lyon vs Robinson: This round goes to Robbo

By christy olsen / Roar Rookie

Whenever a player punches another player on a footy field, there is always lots to be said in the media.

Questions of severity and suitable punishment are debated at length for several days, sometimes longer. But the aftermath of Paddy McCartin’s strike on Geelong VFL captain Aaron Black made for some interesting commentary and maybe some insight into one of modern AFL media’s more hostile relationships.

I’ll leave it to you to brush up on the details of the incident, and instead focus on the fallout.

After the incident, the VFL immediately asked for a six-match ban. With the precedent set three years ago by the eight-match suspension handed to Andrew Gaff, many viewed even six matches as a light penalty.

Yet, the Swans defended McCartin, asking for a reduced suspension. While I find it discouraging that clubs still see fit to stick up for players who do terrible things (see my article from September, 2019 for more on that), I acknowledge this is pretty standard.

Still, how could the club ask for a reduced ban after getting off lightly? The answer: club legal advisors had the gall to suggest the Tribunal should be even more lenient with McCartin because his diabetes causes low blood sugar, which made him agitated.

The next week, Mark Robinson commented on the matter on AFL 360.

Talking with Gerard Whateley, Robbo said: “[McCartin] has to ask himself some serious questions about his mentality. Should he actually play the game? If he’s going to react like that, I don’t think you should be playing the game.”

This is a bold statement, to be sure. But when a club suggests a player may never be in complete control of himself, these are the very questions that should be asked.

Enter veteran commentator Garry Lyon. Lyon told SEN that Robinson’s comment was “breathtakingly ignorant”.

Lyon went on: “[Robinson] knows nothing about blood sugar levels and diabetes – I do – and I’ve seen and witnessed it firsthand.”

The rest of the interview involved Lyon expounding on how difficult it is to live with diabetes and how awful Robinson is for saying anything about it.

He finished by maligning his colleague again: “To turn around and then say he shouldn’t play? That’s breathtaking.”

This entire squabble is fascinating, along with the issues it raises, and Lyon is wrong on almost every point.

First, Lyon seems to be lashing out at a peer whom he apparently doesn’t like all that much. I don’t know who started it, but there is a history of acrimony between Lyon and Robinson, stretching back a number of years.

Robinson has a habit of being a little harsher with public criticism than most sports media personalities, and Lyon has been on the receiving end of that criticism more often than he likes.

Regardless of which one is more at fault (but please debate in the comments), the feud has left the Melbourne champion a tad bitter. In this case, he seems unable to objectively examine Robinson’s commentary.

Garry Lyon speaks with Gerard Whateley (Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)

Second, Lyon subtly affords himself the authority to comment on a player’s medical situation, while denying that right to Robinson. He’s adamant Robinson should never talk about medical issues, ostensibly because Robinson, unlike Lyon, is uneducated.

“Just stay out of the medical stuff until you educate yourself.”

I wonder, then, when is someone sufficiently educated? Is a license to practice medicine required? Would simply having a particular condition be enough? I can’t see how Lyon is qualified to declare that Robinson is unqualified to pass judgment.

The biggest thing Garry Lyon gets wrong, and the most interesting discussion topic, is whether a player’s medical situation is fair game, especially under these circumstances.

Lyon says Robinson “shouldn’t be wandering into that territory.” The fact is it was the club that brought McCartin’s diabetes into the public arena when they claimed it was the cause of his intense agitation.

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And because the Swans used low blood sugar in their plea for a reduced penalty, McCartin’s diabetes became not just an explanation, but an excuse. So it must be addressed, must be evaluated. And Robinson was right when he questioned whether McCartin should take the field again.

At McCartin’s Tribunal hearing, the Sydney Swans officially cast doubt on whether McCartin is in fact able to control himself on the footy field. After hearing the club’s argument for leniency, the Tribunal’s first question should have been: “Are you saying Mr McCartin cannot control himself during a football match?”

If the answer were no, then the entire argument should have been thrown out. And shame on the club for even attempting to blame diabetes for their player’s wretched actions.

However, if the answer were yes, the next question would have to be: “Why should he take the field again?”

No player can guarantee he’ll never lose his temper, but a reasonable assurance of keeping emotions in check is not asking too much.

If a player is at significantly higher risk of committing violence against his opponent, the privilege of playing would obviously be in jeopardy for him. It’s only fair to the other players.

Ultimately, the Swans’ legal team is to blame for this ridiculous situation. I wonder if Paddy even agreed to use his diabetes as a defence.

If so, did he understand the ramifications? The lawyers certainly didn’t do him any favours. For mine, I suspect McCartin is not at much greater risk of losing his temper than most players, during most matches.

So it’s a huge shame that on top of all his disappointments with concussion and his grief at having punched another player, he now has the footy world questioning whether he’s a risk to those around him.

The Swans could have done better by him, but regardless, it’s definitely not Mark Robinson who started this.

Garry Lyon should have the professionalism to see that.

The Crowd Says:

2021-06-02T05:41:45+00:00


Garry Lyon knows everything about football he Is always right about every thing just ask him but never had gut too be afl coach ????

2021-06-01T22:51:55+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Yeah agree 100% with your post too Milo :thumbup: .

2021-06-01T22:47:28+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


Dont disagree with anything youve said PD but in this case the question Robinson asked is legimate and Lyon jumped all over it for personal reasons. Swans were probably the most to blame here for a thoughtless defence. Glad The Flea never used it in his many tribunal appearances (not that it would have been the case anyways as he was always innocent).

2021-06-01T22:24:07+00:00

mickg95

Roar Rookie


I agree with the idea of using the radio commentary while the Fox mute button is pushed but can't seem to get it to sinc properly ? It's out by about 5 seconds at a guess. Maybe they do that on purpose to stop people doing it. Don't get me wrong, FOX and Ch7 have some quality commentators but there are some damn average ones as well that I'd rather not listen to.

2021-06-01T22:09:27+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Lyon knows what it is like to live with diabetes because that is his circumstance.

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2021-06-01T16:17:34+00:00

christy olsen

Roar Rookie


Fully agree that neither McCartin nor anyone should be banned for life because of one bad incident. The point is that Swans legal team opened Paddy up to doubt by insinuating that any time his blood sugar is low he's at risk of reacting like that. I think that was the really unfair thing. They should never have mentioned it at all. The kid had a clean record and was already getting off easy with six matches. I can understand that diabetes was a factor, but that has more to do with keeping people's respect than getting out of punishment.

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2021-06-01T15:24:27+00:00

christy olsen

Roar Rookie


Can you imagine Robinson, Lyon, Cornes, and Barrett all in a room with a camera? Would have to be a big room.

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2021-06-01T15:20:01+00:00

christy olsen

Roar Rookie


No, I'm not claiming Robbo is a great role model of professionalism. I'm only saying that in this particular discussion, he's right to question McCartin. Robbo has a tendency to pick at scabs, which is not admirable. He's ruined his relationships with so many people, it makes me wonder what the atmosphere is like around Fox. Must be pretty icy at times.

AUTHOR

2021-06-01T15:15:31+00:00

christy olsen

Roar Rookie


In this case I am saying that Robinson is right. I'm not trying to be objective on this particular issue. I'm not sure how Lyon knows about diabetes, but he's the one who claims Robbo is not educated. Of course education is a good thing, in general, but knowing about diabetes is not important to this debate. That's where I think Lyon is out of line this time.

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2021-06-01T15:08:56+00:00

christy olsen

Roar Rookie


Yes, I agree Toby seems to have matured.

2021-06-01T09:09:08+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


I'm a fan of Garry and Eddie. Garry knows footy.

2021-06-01T09:06:49+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


That staggers me about Robbo, too. By the way, if anyone wants to read an outstanding young footy writer, Ryan Daniels, who also rides the boundary for 7 at Eagles games, has a column in the Saturday West. Easily the best wordsmith since Cometti. Great perception with a light-hearted touch. His cultural allusions are a delight.

2021-06-01T08:42:11+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


The commentators think they are bigger than the game itself. The game would survive and prosper beautifully without about 75% of them. It's gone way too gimmicky and self indulgent. I often have the volume on mute, even the radio when Kelly Underwood is commentating but I must say I do have difficulty getting the score updates then. "Back in the day" the 3 wise monkeys Lou Jack and Bob were genuine characters, enjoyed a giggle but always it was about the game not about them. Then there were Bobby Skilton and Peter McKenna, the ABC mob including The Winners. They had that great balance of being grounded, real and passionate. I often despair at the self indulgent redundant excessive in your face gibberish of these so called modern day experts. Love a good intelligent debate but........ The best gig in town in recent years was Offsiders when you might strike gold on the one day and have Barry Cassidy, Giddeon Haigh, John Harms, and Gerrard before he joined the dark side. I don't mind the ch 9 footy show, some good debate and some good laughs and Billy knows how to play the clown and not take things too seriously.

2021-06-01T07:04:41+00:00

Mooty

Roar Rookie


Robinson shouts over the top of anyone who dares to disagree with him, whilst Lyon argues for the sake of it. Both boring, I gave up watching them years ago.

2021-06-01T05:59:23+00:00

.kraM

Roar Rookie


I wonder if there’s a lack of objectivity on behalf of Lyon due to his relationship with the mother of Paddy’s ex.

2021-06-01T03:50:42+00:00

JudgeMental

Roar Rookie


I was listening when Lyon said those things. He was referring to knowing about mental health and went on at length about that. From memory, he only brushed on the diabetes. Unless there were two incidents where he said Robbo should educate himself etc. I think Lyon was salty due to Robbo commenting about Fraser Gehrig slamming the Triple M team, and Garry using this as a platform of smacking him back IS unprofessional. Just so I'm clear, even though you have a definite pro-Robbo bias in the article, you're not holding him up as a bastion of professionality, right?

2021-06-01T03:05:29+00:00

TomC

Roar Guru


Turns out I can.

2021-06-01T02:41:31+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I'm a public school background but don't care either way about that. I just prefer journalists and media to have intellect and humour. Robbo misses on both counts. What does Robbo know about football? Not sure why he's employed in the industry to be honest.

2021-06-01T02:31:41+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I'm not a fan of Lyon at all, but I admit he is intelligent and good at discussing football. I don't understand how Robbo retains his privileged, highly sought jobs as newspaper journalists and fox footy host - he is an imbecile and lacks charisma. He just seems like any ordinary bloke, no more intelligent than the average bloke you'd find sitting on any bar stool in any pub. His credibility and intellect was shot to pieces during the Essendon drugs saga 7-8 years ago, yet here he still is, employed in plum jobs. As for his argument on McCartin, he's entitled to give his opinion but I have no respect for it. Nobody has received a life sentence for what McCartin did.

2021-06-01T00:19:18+00:00

shifty

Roar Rookie


C'mon man, you can't make a statement then not be prepared to engage in discussion about that statement.

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