Will we ever see a Tasmanian AFL team?

By Ashton Tresidder / Roar Rookie

“In all fairness, with West Australia, South Australia, and Victoria, we are the fourth footballing state of Australia,” said Robert Shaw, after coaching the 1990 Tasmanian State of Origin Team to a tantalising win over Victoria.

This was their first in 30 years, and only their second in over a century. Since that game, talks of a Tasmanian AFL team have increasingly grown, with multiple proposals that are continually knocked back by the AFL.

Tasmanians are usually left with a glimmer of a hope when they are told “not right now”, and “eventually”. So after years of pushing for a team, will they get to see a local team formed in the near future?

Or will the complications of starting a new team be too much to handle for the league, especially after a pandemic?

The ongoing battle
The ebbing and flowing battle for a Tassie team has been a long one. It officially began in the mid-90s, when a 30,000 capacity, $34 million stadium was proposed to be built in Hobart’s showgrounds.

This ground was to be used by a Tasmanian team had the AFL approved their bid, but it was denied when Fremantle and Port Adelaide were granted entry into the competition.

In 2000, the state-wide Tasmanian Football League was disbanded, resulting in the Tasmania Devils being formed and entering the VFL in the following year. The team had a fair amount of support from local fans, but eventually withdrew from the competition to restart their own state-wide league in 2008.

In 2008, Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney were nominated as the next two expansion teams to enter the AFL. Tasmania then launched another bid, with full backing of the state government and confectionary company Mars committed to being the team’s major sponsor.

But Andrew Demetriou, the AFL CEO at the time, ultimately denied the request.

With a lack of talent pathways and no AFL team to root for, local football participation in Tasmania had been declining. In 2018, AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan addressed the “fractured and fragmented” landscape of Tasmanian football, and announced the recommendations to rebuild the sport in the state.

Gillon McLachlan (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

In the following year, the Tasmanian Devils would join the NAB League, an under-19 representative competition where players are often drafted to the AFL from.

In 2019, the AFL had set the Tasmanian government guideline requirements to house an AFL team. A task force made up of Australian business people was put together later that year to help meet these requirements and make the push for a team. Errol Stewart, a member of the task force, says he is aware that starting a new team won’t be easy.

“No one’s going to make any illusion that this is going to be an easy exercise. We are going to have to be right on our toes, with a fantastic administration to be successful,” he says. “Ultimately, no one says it’s going to be easy to start up a club that can’t win a game and can’t make any money.”

“But to run a club that’s financially stable, has a good administration and has a long-term prospect of playing in finals, that’s a considerable task. And I certainly don’t underestimate it.”

As a heartland state of the sport, the Tasmanian government has made multiple deals with AFL teams to play games on the island. North Melbourne and Hawthorn currently play in Hobart and Launceston respectively.

Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein, a strong advocate for a state team, earlier this year issued an ultimatum to the AFL, reportedly refusing to negotiate extension of the North Melbourne and Hawthorn contracts until the AFL provided a firm timetable for the introduction of a Tasmanian team.

The AFL rejected the request, stating that COVID-19 had made it too financially risky.

Perceived challenges
Many arguments have been made against the proposed Tasmanian AFL team, which can sometimes be perceived as more problematic than they actually are.

For the team to be approved, 75 percent of AFL club presidents and AFL commission need to be in agreement when it comes to allowing the team to enter the competition. There are recurring challenges that are often mentioned, which are stopping Tassie from entering the league.

More money has to be shared
The AFL club presidents have been hesitant to agree to another expansion team because they assume they would be losing out on money. If another team is added to the competition, that means the revenue that is generated has to be shared to an extra club.

“I’m positive that if the teams sat around the table, and one said ‘I’m going to relocate to Tasmania’, the other 17 teams would say ‘what a terrific move,’” Stewart says.

“When you’re looking at an extra team, though, coming into the competition, some of the presidents would say ‘what’s going to happen to the money that I would previously get, which I’m not getting now because of Tasmania?’”

But what isn’t being considered is that more teams can mean more games to be played, and also more broadcasting rights – and broadcasting to a whole new state will most likely mean a lot more revenue is generated.

Corporate support
There is the thought that a Tassie team won’t have enough corporate support to be able to maintain a successful team in the league. Tasmanian Football Board chairman Jim Wilkinson says the argument that there aren’t enough Tasmanian-based companies to sponsor the team is invalid.

“It’s a fallacy, because you have a look where other clubs in the AFL are getting their sponsorship, they’re getting some from interstate and some from overseas,” he says. “When you’ve got Collingwood who have a huge sponsor in Emirates, their head office is in Dubai, it’s not downtown Collingwood. So that just doesn’t fit.”

Furthermore, the previous commitment of Mars sponsoring a Tassie team has proven that the team would certainly be able to find sponsorship, especially in a league as renowned as the AFL.

Julie Kay, another member of the task force, says their team would be able to primarily support itself when it is up and running.

“The fact that the state government is committed to ensuring that we don’t become a burden on the AFL, I think that’s important,” she says.

“We would not be expecting the amount of resources that the AFL are giving to the Gold Coast, we would be mid-range like a number of other clubs.”

Need for a 20th team
Some think that if a nineteenth team is added to the league there will have to be a twentieth team added on top in order to avoid byes. Wilkinson says that although he would like to see a twentieth team added as well, it wouldn’t be necessary as byes have always been a part of the league – and still are.

“There was an odd number for a number of years when Adelaide first entered the competition, so an odd team shouldn’t make any difference, it’s only an excuse to be used if people want to find excuses and other ways around it,” he says.

The potential of a Darwin-based team has also been discussed, in an attempt to make the AFL a fully national league.

Non-captive market
The AFL has been hesitant to expand into Tassie because they don’t believe there would be enough exposure to be gained in a state that is already footy-focused.

This is why their most recent expansion teams were into the rugby states of Queensland and New South Wales. Wilkinson says that because the state is full of footy fanatics, their own team would be fully backed and would only make the sport more prominent.

“The whole state, then, would become even further passionate about football. Because Tassie support their own, and they support their own fiercely,” he says.

It is likely that a team would find supporters. It has been reported that Tasmania already has approximately 90,000 members linked to current AFL teams, and previous expansion teams have been in the already-football states of South Australia and Western Australia.

The Hawks and the Power play in Tasmania. (Photo by Scott Barbour/Getty Images)

Where the team will be based: North-South divide
Tasmania’s north-south divide between Launceston and Hobart residents has been seen as a potential problem for finding supporters, but a whole-state team may be a catalyst for unifying the island.

“What we have to do is get the whole state talking as one as best as we can,” Wilkinson says.

“We need to make sure that the team is a Tasmanian team, not a Launceston team, a Hobart team, or even a Devonport team. It has to be the whole of Tasmania and that’s the way it will get its best support.”

The task force proposed that the team would solve the problem by playing games in both of Launceston and Hobart, but would primarily be based in Hobart, and that both arenas would receive upgrades. Stewart says this is the ideal way to expose the sport to children from both sides of the state.

Real challenges
There are some more prominent challenges Tassie will have to face if they are to bring in a new team, and they will have to be accounted for as best as they can.

Tarryn Thomas is a Tasmanian AFL player. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Player retention
Being able to retain players once they are drafted will be one of the biggest challenges for Tasmania. We already see it quite often in the AFL, when players tend to return to their home states after being drafted to an interstate team. Wilkinson says the state will try to create more jobs and courses for players when they retire, and hopes it can provide a good home for its players.

“Hopefully because Tasmania is a close-knit community, if people came down here to play, it would be more than just football that they would benefit from. Hopefully they would benefit for a life after football as well,” he says.

Diluted talent pool
In any sport league, adding expansion teams means the talent pool for potential players becomes more diluted. This has been a worry for AFL commission as they want to keep their product to a high standard.

Lack of participation
The decline in footy participation on the island has led to a lack of Tasmanians being drafted to the AFL and has been a hindrance to the justification of getting a team.


Stewart argues that having a team in the AFL would create more talent pathways and inspire children to play the sport more.

“The end game is to drive participation up for young children into sport in general, and for them to have a desire to succeed into a senior level of football,” he says. “That’s the end game and clearly we believe that having a licence to play in a big league encourages, very much, that participation.”

As a state so eager to have a team, that has been fighting the battle for a long time, it only makes you want to root for them. The benefits seem to outweigh the cons when looking at the bid as a whole, whether it be from helping football dominate the Australian sport scene more than it already does, or the potential financial gain for everyone involved, a Tasmanian team would be an intriguing inclusion into the AFL.

“We are part of the footy community, so we should be part of the AFL competition,” Wilkinson says.

“It’s their party, we’ve got to be invited to it. So it really is up to them, but all we can do is be ready when and if we are given the nod. And we would be.”

The Crowd Says:

2021-08-03T05:01:18+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


It's happening this weekend!

2021-08-03T02:00:57+00:00

Smee

Guest


This would mean Collingwood has to travel to Tassie. Like thats ever going to happen. Ah wait, the one guaranteed MCG game...

2021-07-29T10:52:24+00:00

Wayne Leigh Cooley

Guest


North would be a better fit !

2021-07-29T10:50:16+00:00

Wayne Leigh Cooley

Guest


I grew up in Hobart in the 40's and 50's, played the game and went to local league games before TV coverage. I experienced large passionate crowds each weekend supporting their team and at the end of the season the three principal league's in the state played off for state honors. Footy was king and most supporters followed a VFL team as well. Television arrived and everything changed as did the growth and demand for more TV coverage. Tasmania's best players, and there were lots of them, were recruited to the big league in Melbourne and the crowds and standard started to fall as the AFL formed a national comp and the big money rolled in leaving Tassie in limbo, a mere recruiting ground. These days a battling state league team survives on a budget of 80k, so the drain of players continues to other mainland states leaving a high percentage of 17 to 20 year olds playing senior football and a lot of good older players going to minor leagues for better money. The code is dying a slow death here with other codes cricket, hockey and basketball now in national comps. The thing is Tasmanians are still passionate about the game but the AFL had better watch out and stop treating us as 3rd class citizens and give us our own team which will galvanise the passion for the map into 50,000 paid up members with sponsors.

2021-07-29T07:20:11+00:00

sven

Roar Rookie


in total agreement there Gerry, i think its a real pity that many of our unique phrases & words are being replaced by americanisms, & I am an immigrant that had to learn the lingo when i got here

2021-07-29T01:29:50+00:00

Gyfox

Roar Rookie


Agree with your last para, Kick. If AFL has a Tassie team it will be the only true national league of any football code. Thus proving Aussie Rules is the true national code!

2021-07-29T01:19:23+00:00

Gerry

Guest


Thanks Sven, I also cringed when I read that, WTF do we need to adopt Americanisms? Australians barrack or support their team, they DO NOT 'root' for them, absolute crap. The rest of the artcle was good and thought-provoking. If the AFL perceived that soccer, rugby, basketball or some other sport was a serious threat to Aussie Rules' strangehold on the hearts and minds of Taswegians then a team would be playing out of there quick smart. Hope it happens sooner rather than later.

2021-07-28T23:45:19+00:00

Mooty

Roar Rookie


You sound like a typical greenie, left wing dole bludger when young, grow up a bit so get a “safe public service” job to continue your political activism. Hobart is the administrative capital of Tasmania, full of public servants, you should see the loopy council we’ve got.

2021-07-28T12:04:35+00:00

James Styles

Guest


St. Kilda out, Tasmania in.

2021-07-28T12:02:49+00:00

James Styles

Guest


You Guys want a Tasmanian Based Side in the AFL without the expenses of a Start up of Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney? The Tasmania Devils shall consider buying the Cash Strapped St. Kilda Football Club, Merge and Relocate with them.

2021-07-28T11:12:03+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


Family ties me here.

2021-07-28T10:36:54+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


I see Sth Aus have reconsidered your exile and will let you back in there now Rowdy.

2021-07-28T10:33:48+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


Innovative, I like it.

2021-07-28T10:08:00+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


Nah it has to be the Saints, Gold Coast is bleeding money but it's also serving it's purpose in bringing more footy to a rugby heartland and from a start up point of view it's still on track (let's revisit this in 20 years). If you were to compare the Dogs and the Saints, 12 years ago both were in a hole on field and financially. 12 years later the Dogs have a flag, have cleared most of their debt and were one of the few teams to support themselves last year (they also sold off their gambling licences if I remember correctly). The saints have the most debt of any team in Melbourne (still over 13 million) and one of the highest in the AFL. I would be doing a diservice if I din't mention that a contributing factor to the Dogs turning around of thier fortunes is the redistribution of funds to clubs, however they used it to their advantage and now are stronger financially, The Saints will be in a hole for awhile yet.

2021-07-28T09:38:04+00:00

Clear as mud

Guest


Once a Tasmanian, always a Tasmanian. We left in ’67 when I was only 2, the year that Royce showed the world what 5 shirts could buy you. But as we shuffled around southern Sydney, my brother and sisters starting new schools, for the three youngest of us, being born in Tassie gave us something to be proud of. Something unique. I didn’t get back to Tassie till I was almost 15, my dad taking me on, I guess, a male bonding trip. It seems weird in hindsight, we never talked about it. Maybe the others were asked but had left school already. Dunno. Anyway, I loved it. Meeting family friends and godparents and eating scallop pies and seeing the fabled Gordon that everyone was starting to talk about. As a Tasmanian leftie greenie neophyte geographer, and strong supporter of Bill Hayden, the Franklin campaign came along at the right time. As did Michael Roach. I managed to ride the Souths-Richmond 1980 success (Souths came 5th after missing for years). I got to see the Tiges dismantle St Kilda in one of those pre-Swans games at the SCG. But I loved marching for the Franklin at the NO Dams demos, grooving in Hyde Park to Redgum and others. Handing out on election day. Let the Franklin Flow on high rotation as I bizarrely decided to take a gap year in the deepest darkest recession since the one before. Standing, nude, in a winter bath, the day the High Court decision came through. In the late 80s I took my older brother to Tassie. He razzed Alan Bond at the end of the Sydney-Hobart and Bond almost fell in the water. We almost got bashed in Strahan. We deserved it generally, but not specifically. Two years later I was fulfilling a dream and working for the Wilderness Society. That involved constant trips to Tassie. I got to see Hawthorn demolish the Roys by 150 at North Hobart. And then another Tassie youngbuck came in, Richo joining Benny. But sustained success was elusive, and I slipped back into a more genteel public service existence, fell in love etc. As the Tigers wandered through the gloom for years at a time, I often pondered how I would deal with the difficult choice when Tassie inevitably got its team. Here we are, 28 years later, and still no team. More plans, but no team. A team everywhere, even some teams nowhere, but no Tassie Devils. So now, warm with the gushing glow of Premiership hangover, I need another crusade. And I think the power of music needs to be brought to bear. With no respect for Shane Howard, I have had a crack at his anthem, and present to you: Let The Footy Flow. A single – is there still such a thing – a performance by the Killers on GF Day with Jack in the Box, you just never know. A live version with Benny and Jack and Nick and Royce and Stew and Pritch and Huddo x 2 and all the great ones I have forgotten. Backed by Tex and Tim and the Rockwiz band Get the idea out there, if you know musos, get talking to them, if you know Gillon MacLachlan, let him know a big wave is a coming his way… Let the footy flow oh Tasmania the hardest heart could understand just to feel your rejection the silence sings to us let the footy flow let the Devils be The Apple Isle needs a footy team from Devonport to Launnie and more the AFL have to fix this sore we gave them Royce and we gave them Stew has to be something worth fighting for Huddo, Richo and Baldock too They take our best and give us the jaw let the footy flow let the Devils be The Apple Isle needs a footy team from Devonport to Launnie and more the AFL have to fix this sore there’s a team up north that nobody wants has to be something worth fighting for in Hobart and across all the fronts we’re saying this is something worth fighting for let the footy flow let the Devils be The Apple Isle needs a footy team from Devonport to Launnie and more the AFL have to fix this sore oh Tasmania the hardest heart could understand just to feel your rejection the silence sings to us let the footy flow let the Devils be The Apple Isle needs a footy team from Devonport to Launnie and more the AFL have to fix this sore

2021-07-28T09:31:07+00:00

Clear as mud

Guest


Play games at both Launnie and Hobart Train at each on odd weeks Base the players at Campbelltown or there about. Good good courses! And I think you won’t get much homesickness at least from Vic players. It’s only 40 mins back to Melb. Some might even swim.

2021-07-28T09:15:04+00:00

Pedro The Fisherman

Roar Rookie


Yawn. Nothing new here. The same old arguments that haven’t justified establishment of a Tassie Team to date won’t justify one in the foreseeable future. Tassie needs either something new to argue or needs to shelve the concept for 15 - 20 years! I suspect it is the latter.

2021-07-28T09:09:18+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


"Build it ... and they'll come" ---- I reckon it be done but the AFL might need a CEO with a rudder for the game.

2021-07-28T08:54:31+00:00

Jack Russell

Roar Guru


Hopefully the future players and staff of the Tassie AFL club agree with you when they are asked if they can be paid with passion and not money.

2021-07-28T08:43:10+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


It was still a good-get per capita.

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