The Wrap: Where does Ian Foster rank on the list of rugby’s villains?

By Geoff Parkes / Expert

Rugby is a sport full of great people and great experiences. It is a terrific sport to play, and – albeit allowing for challenges in recent years around stoppages – for the most part it remains a rewarding sport to watch.

At every level of the game – amateur and professional, at home and abroad – rugby provides kinship and a sense of shared fellowship. Walk into a rugby club anywhere in the world, and all anyone has to do is state their allegiance to be assured of a warm welcome and a cold beer.

Over time however, rugby has also had its share of villians. People who have shown disregard for the game, for their opponent, and sometimes, match officials. People who fans have loved to hate.

For Australians, the name Richard Loe immediately comes to mind; infamous for dropping his forearm into the face of Wallaby Paul Carozza, in 1992.

While Loe escaped sanction for that act, things caught up with him later that year, when he was found guilty and suspended for six months for inserting his fingers into the eyes of Otago fullback Greg Cooper with what the judiciary described as “considerable force.”

Another well-known villain is Springbok lock, Bakkies Botha. Over the course of his career, Botha received suspensions totalling 26 weeks, for attacks on Wallabies Brendon Cannon and Phil Waugh, Lion Adam Jones and, for good measure, a 2009 headbutt on Jimmy Cowan.

Also in 2009, Harlequins winger Tom Williams was at the centre of the ‘bloodgate’ scandal, using a capsule of blood to feign injury and allow for a replacement in their Heineken Cup match against Leinster.

Coach Dean Richards received a three-year suspension for masterminding the scheme; a rare, infamous case of blatant cheating.

Two high-profile international players with good reputations were South Africa’s Percy Montgomery and England’s Neil Back. Yet both bought the sport – and themselves – into disrepute by being suspended for six months each, for pushing match officials to the ground.

Peter Clohessy was capped 54 times for Ireland in the 1990s and was regarded as a hard nut, front-rower. In a 1995 Six Nations match against France he kicked Olivier Roumat in the head and was suspended for six months.

“I kind of just landed on his head with my boot,” Clohessy would later explain.

Rugby’s list of rogues goes on. What about Cheetahs’ centre Nico Lee, banned for 13 weeks in 2019 for emptying the contents of his nose onto a Connacht opponent?

Joe Marler is a popular figure in the game, yet he was suspended for 23 weeks in total, for crimes as diverse as kicking, elbowing, shoulder charging, bringing the game into disrepute, and then finally, a 10-week stretch for applying a squirrel grip to Alun-Wyn Jones.

Marler is kindergarten grade however, compared to England teammate Dylan Hartley. Hartley’s suspensions totalled 60 weeks, and covered the spectrum from eye-gouging, biting, elbowing, striking, headbutting and referee abuse.

Leaving them all in the shade though, is Springbok Johan le Roux, suspended in 1994 for 18 months, for biting All Black Sean Fitzpatrick’s ear.

If the act wasn’t shocking enough, le Roux doubled down afterwards, saying; “For an 18-month suspension, I feel I probably should have torn it off. Then at least I could say, ‘look, I’ve returned to South Africa with the guy’s ear’.”

You don’t have to maim someone on the field to be classed as a rugby villain. In 2019, UK online publication Ruck announced its “10 most hated people in rugby”; a list that included two referees, Wayne Barnes and Craig Joubert, and three rugby media men, Austin Healy, Stuart Barnes and Stephen Jones.

Luckily for Bryce Lawrence, Ruck does not have a South African version.

Only last month, Ruck followed up with their “five most disliked rugby players in the world”, with the minor placings filled by Owen Farrell, Peter O’Mahoney, Eben Etzebeth and Dan Biggar.

Dan Biggar kicks a penalty in the first Test against the Boks (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

At the top of both lists is Australia’s Israel Folau, despite his not having played for the Wallabies since 2018. Folau’s ranking is no surprise, although he is an interesting case because of his ability to polarise; one suspects he might also figure highly in a poll of the most liked players.

What of rugby’s coaches? Eddie Jones and Michael Cheika have at times generated plenty of hate mail, although not to the level of Rassie Erasmus in 2021, after his calculated attack on Australian referee, Nic Berry.

Given the lengths Erasmus was prepared to go to, to trash rugby’s unwritten code of not attacking the referee, for the sake of providing his team an advantage in a tight series, and for his lack of contrition in the aftermath, he may well be rugby’s greatest villain of the professional era.

That was, at least, until now.

For anyone living in New Zealand, or with links to New Zealand, there isn’t a more reviled figure, a more toxic brand in rugby, than Ian Foster.

Which of the above crimes then, appear on Foster’s rap sheet? Cheating, eye-gouging, ear-biting, ball-grabbing, elbowing, snotting, referee abuse or homophobic social media posts? You know the answer… none.

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Foster doesn’t even qualify on the basis being irritating or unlikeable. In fact, one of the constants throughout the recent turmoil in New Zealand rugby has been people falling over each other to state what a thoroughly decent person he is.

My personal experience with Foster consists of a couple of quick chats after a press conference; again, all good-humoured and magnanimous. Oh, and he did take a catch off my loopy, part-time off-spin in a cricket match against Bay of Plenty – some 35 years ago no less – which not only confirms his status as a good bloke but a member of a very select club.

So, why the pile on? And why so vicious?

New Zealanders have grown accustomed to the All Blacks winning. With expectations of a winning percentage above 80 per cent baked in, losing successive matches last year, and then three on the trot this year to Ireland and South Africa, doesn’t cut the mustard.

Not only have the results been below par, Foster’s All Blacks have, temporarily at least, lost the ability to thrill audiences. The forward pack dominates nobody, the backline has lost its fluency and potency and, worst of all, the team is no longer feared by opponents.

(Photo by Joe Allison/Getty Images)

Selection arguments rage; mostly about Rieko Ioane not being an international centre, and Sam Cane not being Richie McCaw.

Whatever expectations might be set, it is perfectly reasonable that there should be disquiet and concern about the downwards path the All Blacks have been taking.

The tentative nature of their play reflects a lack of combination in the front row, loose forwards and midfield, a drop-off in skill execution, and a lack of clarity around tactical direction.

Much of the blame has been laid at the feet of assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar, albeit they were Foster’s hand-picked men. Whatever their respective abilities and those of new additions Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt, Foster cannot escape criticism for this messy situation.

Foster may well be guilty of being slow to react; to changes in approach from his opposition, to the need to evolve the All Blacks’ game plan, and to identify and act upon any weakness in his coaching and playing group.

Almost certainly, this is a function of what others see as his strength; his loyalty and solidity. If he is to take this team forward successfully, he will need to accept these recent events as a wake-up call, and find a happy medium between urgency and steadiness.

Animosity towards Foster is heightened because there is a popular heir apparent in Scott Robertson.

With the narrative boiled down to “Foster can’t coach, Razor can”, there is a sense of despair amongst Robertson supporters that NZ Rugby is deliberately and wantonly driving their man overseas, to be “lost” from New Zealand rugby, because the All Blacks door has been slammed shut.

To be clear, NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson re-confirming Foster as head coach of the All Blacks until after the 2023 World Cup changes nothing for Robertson. This is exactly the same position he has been in all along. He is contracted for the same period to the Crusaders, and would reasonably have expected to continue in that role.

Despite the angst and hysteria from media and fans, one fact remains conveniently overlooked. Since Foster was appointed to replace Steve Hansen, the All Blacks coaching position has never been vacant.

Nor should Robertson going overseas for a period be viewed as a loss or ‘fail’ for New Zealand rugby. It is the norm these days for coaches from all countries to gain international experience and be better coaches for it when they return home.

Robertson is 48 and, save for two years in charge of the NZ Under 20 side, has always coached in the Crusaders system.

(Photo by Peter Meecham/Getty Images)

From a distance, it is apparent that much of the vitriol shown towards Foster by sections of the media more accurately represents frustration at the way NZ Rugby has operated in recent times.

The All Blacks machine is a heavily protected one, and there has developed amongst media a sense (often justified) of being subservient and, on occasion, treated with disrespect.

It should thus come as no surprise that when results don’t go the All Blacks way, hard questions are asked, and in the process, some chickens come home to roost.

Nevertheless, perspective has too often been lost.

Last week, a prominent New Zealand rugby writer tried to point out that criticism of Foster was never personal, it was only ever criticism of Foster’s “coaching ability and judgement”.

When you’re the coach of the All Blacks – or any professional team for that matter – your coaching ability and judgement is your identity. Of course it was personal.

Despite the All Blacks’ brave and impressive win last weekend, Foster has already been stripped of legitimacy for this and future wins. These will be credited to Ryan or Schmidt; in spite of Foster, not because of Foster, who will retain responsibility only for the losses.

One irony is that by getting his team to perform in Johannesburg, and withstanding everything that has been thrown at him with good grace, Foster has demonstrated exactly the qualities and strength of character being asked of someone in his position.

But it might behove critics to remember that no matter the entitlement and ownership that New Zealanders feel over the All Blacks, no matter the lack of real information upon which most people pass judgment, no matter the fact that the All Blacks have no god-given right to beat top-class sides like Ireland and South Africa on any given day, there are people at the heart of all of this.

Last week, former North Queensland Cowboys coach Paul Green, said by his friend Justin Langer to have “lost purpose” since losing his job, committed suicide at his family home.

Ex-Essendon AFL coach James Hird survived a suicide attempt after he was exiled following his club being caught up in a drugs scandal.

Also last week, Essendon coach Ben Rutten was treated shamefully by his own board, and the media, where it was announced (presumptively and incorrectly) that he would be replaced by Alistair Clarkson.

Instead, Rutten was forced to suffer the ignominy of coaching one final match before being put out of his misery yesterday.

Professional coaching is a gig where only tough men and women need apply. Even so, no job should be this tough, this worthy of hate, of the type Foster has been subjected to.

Foster is accountable for the All Blacks’ performance, and when they lose, he is rightly open to constructive criticism, and ultimately, scrutiny of his position.

When the All Blacks win – at Ellis Park, against the World Cup champions, by playing brave, combative and skilful rugby – Foster should also be open to constructive praise.

When does a coach losing a few games warrant inclusion on rugby’s list of villains? Never.

The Crowd Says:

2022-08-28T04:31:09+00:00

Greco Dominicus

Roar Rookie


So Geoff, things half worked. Hoping the Boks are gonna be better in week 2 in Oz, but I don't know cause we are always horrible in Australia, I would take a draw at this point. As for the All Blacks - You know if Argentina win next week, technically 2 teams will have won series in New Zealand in a year after only 1 team could in the last 120 years. (Another Fozzie 1st. ) Is the All Black coach really just gonna keep saying how good everyone else is. How long before Schmidt and Cheika turn on eachother? One of the things Schmidt never worked out is how to beat Argentina.

2022-08-24T04:02:48+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


"Where does Ian Foster rank on the list of rugby’s villains?"- right up the top if you ask any Kiwi

2022-08-23T23:15:51+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Yes coach bashing never happens in AFL, NRL, Cricket, A league or any other Aus sport at all does it. Justin Langer disagrees with you and you want to discuss low bars just check with him. It appears you want different standards from NZ sports fans than from every other countries sports fans.

2022-08-23T20:52:10+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


Thanks Paulo. Sometimes it’s just those subtle differences either side of the ditch. Enjoy the week. :thumbup:

2022-08-23T16:50:22+00:00

WEST

Roar Guru


Seen Schmidt on the tools with the team.. Looks very good! Imagine the All Blacks getting structured and disciplined with the kiwi flair on the side :shocked: could be the evolution we’ve been looking for

2022-08-23T11:33:56+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


I think it’s the media trying to drive a narrative to be honest. If you look at results from polls like on Stuff, it’s overwhelming, so can’t just be a Crusader thing. Anyways, what’s done is done regarding the Foster, I just hope he picks the right team, regardless of SR franchise.

2022-08-23T11:30:42+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


Ok

2022-08-23T11:29:56+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


Just asking. Sometimes hard to tell where the “noise” comes from.

2022-08-23T07:10:47+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


“Bottom line is, I reckon, this is the coaching team we have now, for better or worse, so let’s all get behind them, get some good performances, and don’t stress too much about the rest of the goings on.” Yes agreed Geoff 100% and no one will be complaining – least of all me – if indeed Irish Joe is the shadow head coach. I wonder if it was ever suggested that Razor become part of the coaching team, either to Razor himself or Foster? Now that would be a good place to be a fly on the wall! Afterall,Razor as assistent would have kept everyone happy would it not? Except maybe Foster as he knows he would not get any credit for the AB’s success but i do wonder if crossed their mind Geoff at some board meeting or other.

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2022-08-23T06:41:33+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


What you say is possibly how it went down Fox, but the reality us, none of us actually know how it all played out. I've seen enough of these things to know that sometimes the inside mail is bang on, and other times its way off, and is just people guessing. And in the last few weeks, we've seen a lot of 'this is definitely happening' not happen like that at all. Bottom line is, I reckon, this is the coaching team we have now, for better or worse, so let's all get behind them, get some good performances, and don't stress too much about the rest of the goings on.

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2022-08-23T06:37:48+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


"Finally I will admit to supporting the Pumas this week." Go for your life, GD, I'm sure you'll have plenty of mates cheering them on as well!

2022-08-23T06:32:04+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


No nerve, but you said that you are sad :laughing: :laughing: toughen up princess. You obviously know nothing about how it works :shocked: Do not reply if you do not like, Google definition of reply as obviously you have no idea. You confirm about being an irregular poster with your lack of knowledge. Try keeping up to date in the future, but you will need Putins permission obviously.

2022-08-23T06:13:28+00:00

WEST

Roar Guru


Gees.. There’s still pressure, every AB game gets scrutinised before, now it’s really under the microscope if they don’t put on a good performance. Foster needs to get consistency installed in this group.. any hiccups and all the negativity will rear it’s ugly head again

2022-08-23T05:56:22+00:00

kgbagent

Roar Rookie


Hit a nerve bro? Do you know how this forum works? It is impossible to avoid your posts as there is no 'ignore' function. It's a site that relies on comments and opinions and that is what appeals to me but in your case I stand by what I said and that you claim it shows I have poor character and insulting views is hilarious. Obviously your blood was boiling when you read my post as I clearly stated I was an irregular poster and there is no forum rule about that that I am aware of.

2022-08-23T05:55:33+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Loveridge was the master and is clearly very funny. Great interview.

2022-08-23T05:50:28+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Why I don’t understand Geoff is how they kept their jobs after a very poor review post Euro tour. Foster must have defended them which ahs turned out to be very poor judgement. Poor judgement and great coaches is not something Geoff that works in tandem at anytime and anywhere. The mistake they made was appointing Foster in the 1st place and now they have to live with it or their judgement gets a credibility check as well. If he wins the WC all will almost be forgiven and convincing wins agains Australia and Argentina in both games will for now, calm everyone down until the Euro tour. But as you say the credit for such wins will not fall on him as much now that Irish Joe and the Canterbury connection is there. He is now the attack coach so lets hope we fight our attack consistently Geoff which make me think that Irish Joe is already the ‘shadow head coach’ and the only reason Foster kept his job. Not sure if you agree geoff but that is what i thihnk has happened behind the scenes and proof will be if Irish Joe goes on the Euro tour despite wanting not to tour supposedly. Afterall, he and his wife will have loads of friends over there to catch up with. So extra motivation IMO. Saying you don’t want the role is one thing but times and people change and do have a rethink.

2022-08-23T05:35:47+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Most definitely piru

2022-08-23T04:49:36+00:00

Greco Dominicus

Roar Rookie


Surely you gonna tell us how that story ends :laughing: As for this week, I must say I agree with some other posters that there are other jobs, that pay less money and don't involve public oversight. I also genuinely think Robertson is better - to put things in perspective I think Foster would give us Blackadder like Crusaders as opposed to Deans or Robertson like. Finally I will admit to supporting the Pumas this week. 1) I think the Boks can win the rugby championship 2) And yes I am embarrassed to say, the thought of the The Roar if the All Blacks lose, by say 10 points, :stoked: , I was a quarter to subscribing to the Herald before last week. - I think I am one of the problems with the internet age :laughing:

2022-08-23T04:26:23+00:00

Greco Dominicus

Roar Rookie


Think you mean non-seffrican rugby fans :stoked:

2022-08-23T03:58:55+00:00

scrum

Roar Rookie


Not suggesting this is a NZ problem only, Aussie cricket crowds can be disgraceful. My point is when the ABs lose a few matches in a row Kiwis have a habit of vilifying the coaches- there is a long history of this. And plenty of posts here indicating that many think it is their right. Well if that’s the standards people set themselves it is a pretty low bar

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