Bernard Foley and a brief history of time wasting in rugby

By Another Wallabies Tragic / Roar Rookie

The Sydney Morning Herald described it as “technically correct and utterly absurd”. Across the span of the following days, I regretfully spent an inordinate amount of time in heated discussions about that penalty.

It is with great hope writing this article could offer some level of catharsis for me before I fixate on the next contentious rugby issue. Maybe there will be a new crisis du jour if this article gets published after Bledisloe II.

What is that rule on time wasting in this instance?

“A penalty or free-kick must be taken without delay.”

Seems fair, you’d think. If we follow this interpretation to the letter, Foley was in the wrong and perhaps should’ve been penalised earlier.

There may perhaps be precedent for this. In 2005, the Welsh domestic side Ospreys snatched a dramatic win from Connacht having been awarded a kickable penalty for time wasting from Connacht. I can’t even find footage of this Celtic League match.

Yet this seemingly is only instance I can find of a winning team losing after being penalised at the death of the match for milking the clock.

My issue here is the lack of consistency. Clock winding is something we’ve seen all before. The extended lineout plays, team huddles, questioning the referee, tying laces, etc. Perhaps the most egregious example of this are intentional collapsed scrums.

Let’s look at a moment earlier in Bledisloe I. At the 69:26 mark, New Zealand were awarded a penalty. Sam Whitelock signed they’ll go to for the posts at 69:40.

Richie Mo’unga slotted the ball for three points at 70:51. That’s a difference of one minute and 24 seconds from when the penalty was awarded and a difference of one minute and 11 seconds when the All Blacks decided to kick for goal.

As per World Rugby: “The kick must be taken within 60 seconds (playing time) from the time the team indicated their intention to do so, even if the ball rolls over and has to be placed again. Sanction: Kick is disallowed and a scrum is awarded.”

So much for clamping down on time wasting. I’m not a great mathematician, but 1 minute and 11 seconds is longer than 60 seconds. If Raynal was consistent, Mo’unga would’ve been penalised and Australian hopes of claiming Lord Bledisloe’s silverware may have still been alive.

While we remain on the subject of tardy halves, conversations have to be taken with 90 seconds from when the try was scored. How often do flyhalves take their time to dwell whatever semi-Zen meditative state they need to be in before hitting the ball with their boot?

Peter Stringer, evidently well versed in the 90-second rule, made a young James O’Connor learn the hard way by calmly striding up to him and removing the ball from the tee after O’Connor opted to use his time laxly preparing for the punt.

It remains an object of interest for all stakeholders in rugby to address time wasting. On one hand, it encourages poor sportsmanship and does a poor job at promoting our game. On the other hand, tired players playing in an intensely physical professional game beaten and bruised after over an hour on the paddock could use the respite.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

The Sydney Morning Herald encapsulated my sentiments exactly. It made sense on paper, especially in consideration of repeated warnings from Raynal (it remains a mystery as to whether any of the Wallabies could hear anything over the crowd).

However, players, pundits, and fans alike probably cannot point to similar penalties being dished out in the history of test footy. I still can’t say for sure whether that Osprey-Connacht game is an apples-to-apples comparison since I can’t see the match for myself.

I have made clear that I am not a massive fan of Sir John Kirwan and the team at Sky Sport NZ’s show The Breakdown. But their roundtable discussion on the penalty summarises my thoughts on the matter well.

If we want to cut down to time wasting, we need to reduce the referee’s discretion to decide what counts as time wasting. Clocks for scrums, other set pieces, kicks, etc. should be actively considered to prevent another media cycle like this from happening again.

In the meantime, let this disillusioned Wallabies fan ponder what could’ve been in Mo’unga was pinged for taking his time to go for three. We’ll ignore the potential forward passes leading up to our tries.

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The Crowd Says:

2022-09-25T15:13:24+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


Was that before or after the head high from the Wallabies prop on McCaw despite having been warned prior for his high hits?

2022-09-24T14:16:30+00:00

Funny stuff

Guest


How about 111 lineouts in 1963? Was that time wasting? Well it was a waste of time if you went.

2022-09-24T10:22:13+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


Was meant to be to Tooly responding to your comment.

2022-09-24T10:12:48+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


Yep, the ref should have asserted himself more after Foley took the kick. Perhaps he didn't know what to do in that situation, but he sure had Foley in his sights later in the game. The lesson Foley could take from that, is to do all he can to keep the ref onside, rather than annoy him.

2022-09-24T10:10:23+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


Yep, the ref didn't assert himself after Foley took the kick. Perhaps its never happened to him before and he didn't know what to do. But he made sure Foley was in his sights at the end. For my mind, they were both at fault. If I was Foley, the lesson I would try to take from this, is to do all I can to keep the ref onside, rather than pissing him off.

2022-09-24T10:06:26+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


I didn't mention anything about shoulder direction. For a forward pass to be ruled, the ball has to at least travel forward. My post highlights that I'm not at all convinced it did.

2022-09-24T09:18:59+00:00

Atapene

Roar Rookie


Someones could start a profile called "Tupaeas other knee" now. Hows your handle feeling? Lol.

2022-09-24T09:17:24+00:00

Atapene

Roar Rookie


So..... boil this article down, sore loser but feeling like he's justified. Well done

2022-09-24T08:43:09+00:00

Martin English

Roar Rookie


Every Wallaby supporter seems to forget that 1) the ABs were awarded a scrum. I.E. They were still behind. 2) it was an AB feed, so assume they were 90% guaranteed to win the scrum. 3) the ABs still had to score to win. TLDR; don’t blame Foley or Reynal, blame the Wallaby scrum.

2022-09-24T06:56:55+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


:thumbup: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2022-09-24T06:26:55+00:00

BlouBul

Roar Rookie


The ref should not tell the nine to use it. Just blow it up and let they learn the hard way.

2022-09-24T05:53:13+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


Foley has a clock on him. Must take the kick unless time is stopped by the ref...red did not call time off.... ironically it would be time wasting....

2022-09-24T05:50:28+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


Forward pass in union is the out of hand action. Shoulder can face any direction.

2022-09-24T05:49:06+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


A key difference is Owen and the other professionals Refs would have called time off. Foley has 90 seconds to make the kick unless time is called off. Ref calling wait is poor communication and just incompetent ref. Foley did everything correct, the ref failed to call time off.

2022-09-24T05:07:13+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


“ The time wasting debate will go on forever” It’s a waste of time, eh? I feel wasteful…. I need a new game to argue about - eureka! We have one in two hours (unless someone stops the clock).

2022-09-24T05:01:37+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


“ Yep, let’s keep ‘conversations’ done to a minimum of 90 seconds… please” Nice article Chook, though a tad short. And when we’ve sorted the time wasting during the games, we could put a stop clock on posts here. Fair dinkum some blokes are taking the pi55, and the biscuit, AND pulling my leg, and I haven’t got many left. Please sort it out.

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2022-09-24T04:56:12+00:00

Another Wallabies Tragic

Roar Rookie


Whoops, I didn't notice that. My bad. I guess there's a reason why I'm not getting paid for this haha. Thanks for the kind words! I definitely am encouraged by the response from these essays to do more.

2022-09-24T04:52:48+00:00

Alec Mudie

Roar Rookie


The time wasting debate will go on forever until World Rugby decides to do something about it. For me it simply boils down to the fact that the number 10 player for the Wallabies ignored at least five directives from the referee to kick the ball and so suffered the consequences. Thank you number 10 you certainly helped save our bacon....

2022-09-24T04:51:24+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Use it nine! Five, four three two one whistle, scrum to defending team. We would have a new speed before half time in the first game. And new unpredictability because teams would not want defences to accurately time their tackles to the full count. We would also get super fast clearances to catch defences off guard.

2022-09-24T04:50:01+00:00

Vince Martin

Roar Rookie


So the ref let that go but decided to be tough in the 79th minute…. Absolute BS…. How often do we see referees give a YC in the last 10 minutes when similar offences in the first 10 get a penalty only - at most????

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