Coach's corner: The combination of 'brutality and intelligence' that makes Wallabies enforcer a RWC lock

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Many thanks to all those whose comments stimulated debate and more questions in the forums. It is the usual heady recipe for a welded-on Wallaby supporter: a mix of frustration at self-inflicted wounds, and pleasure in improved on-field performance from Florence to Dublin.

One of the biggest positives on the end-of-year-tour has been the performances of big Will Skelton, who has provided a unique point-of-difference in the Wallaby pack, and especially in combination with young tyro Nick Frost. Frost runs, tackles and leaps like a gazelle in the line. Skelton stops mauls, powers scrums and carries like a bulldozer. It is a combination as natural as bangers ‘n mash.

It is always a good idea to pick the players the opponent would least like to face, and Ireland would have been happy to see Skelton on the bench at the start of the match:

Wallabies Larkham commented, “Big Will’s introduction came so late, everyone knew he would be a force on the field.”

CS added, “The highlight was Big Will’s sensational run. We may have also lost it by not starting with him.”

Aiden expressed a widespread exasperation among fans of the green-and-gold: “Can all the Skelton naysayers who probably only come on to comment, and don’t watch the game, admit he has improved? I was never a fan in the past, but he has become an asset.”

In the event, big Will had to be satisfied with a 28-minute cameo. On attack, he bent the line in spectacular fashion, then immediately got back on balance with a neat tip-on pass with the defence expecting another bullocking run:

That is not one, not two, but five Irish defenders beaten, but Skelton still has the smarts to use that threat as a decoy two phases later:

With the forwards dented, the Marky Mark-Jordie P. one-two punch took advantage:

Reading the play on defence, Skelton demonstrated the same mix of brutality and intelligence:

That is big Will, deciphering the ball behind from fourth defender and crushing poor Jimmy O’Brien in an octopus-like embrace. Dave Rennie can always choose to pick Will Skelton from the start in the big World Cup matches to come in 2023, but the real tragedy is that he will not be able to field a truly monstrous tight-head side of the scrum after Taniela Tupou’s serious leg injury:

“Crushing injury for ‘Nella’ who was just getting back to his best” said Broken Shoulder, with Mzilikazi adding, “That one scrum Tupou packed in, with Skelton behind him, showed how torrid a finish it could have been for Ireland.”

This is the scrum that Mzilikazi means:

That is none other than Andrew Porter who is in retreat under pressure from Tupou, with Skelton packing behind him – and the Leinster iron-man bows the knee to no-one. The likely absence of that duo, playing together, would represent a huge blow to Australian hopes at the World Cup.

If anything, the impatience of rugby supporters with both the lack of consistency in refereeing rulings on foul play, and the Wallabies’ lack of discipline within that framework, is growing.

Scotty said, “The inconsistency with TMO involvement is frustrating and will end up deciding big games”, with Mzilikazi adding, “[Rob] Valetini could so easily have had a red card in the clash with the big Irish hooker [Dan Sheehan].”

Let’s take a look at the incident in Dublin, and compare it with another similar example from the recent Women’s World Cup final at Eden Park:

The referee Ben O’Keeffe analysed the incident as follows on the ref-mic: “So, we have a foul play issue. Do we have head contact? So, we do have head contact and we do have a foul play issue. The danger is very low for me. There is no mitigation, so I am just at penalty [no card].”

Now put that event alongside the head contact which earned England wing Lydia Thompson a red card in the Women’s World Cup final:

“For me, it is a clear head-on-head. She [Lydia Thompson] is coming at speed. It’s reckless action and I’m seeing no mitigation, so it’s a red card.” Those were the words of referee Hollie Davidson in her break-down of the incident.

Both officials see direct head-to-head contact with no mitigation for the defender, but one scenario finished with a red card and the other with a penalty. While it is true that Thompson has to make up more ground to get to the ball-carrier (Portia Woodman) than Valetini, and is therefore moving towards the target, the fundamental aim behind current law-making is to reduce the likelihood of head contact by lowering the tackler’s body height. Both tacklers are very upright when they make that contact.

Surely, we are entitled to expect more uniformity in decision-making? A yellow card for Valetini and an orange card for Thompson (20-minute card with a substitute coming off after expiry) looks and feels far more sensible.

Another aspect of the same lack of consistency emerged after the game, when Nic White was allowed to return to the field after this tackle on Mack Hansen saved a potential Ireland try:

White makes contact with his head leading, and in front of Hansen’s hip rather than behind it. When he tried to get up off the ground, he reeled backwards like a boxer wobbling back to the canvas. It made it all the more baffling how White apparently passed an HIA authored by both the Wallabies medical team and an independent doctor before returning to the fray. The Brumbies half-back has subsequently been stood down for 12 days and will miss the final tour game against Wales in Cardiff.

The ongoing issue of Australia’s lack of discipline, particularly at the breakdown, show no sign of abating:

“Wallabies have a discipline issue because the coach doesn’t see the team has a discipline issue and is doing nothing about it.” CJGP

“Perhaps a captain could feel ‘gutted about my players’ lack of discipline that we had a try wiped off, handed the opposition 10 points, blew a clutch moment that could have won us the match, and part-drained the tank having to defend with 14 and 13 players on the field’.” Ankle-Tapped Waterboy

Seven of the 12 penalties conceded by Australia in the match came at the breakdown, with four for repeated incidences of neck-rolling or neck wrenching. The final example ended with a yellow card for replacement hooker Folau Fainga’a:

This kind of play is fast becoming a typical example of over-competition at the ruck by the Wallabies. There is no need for it and it is not going to affect the play in any case, so why do it at all? It enters the ‘pool of information’ by stealth and will earn them a reputation among the top referees:

It’s just faulty technique against a pilfering threat. That left hand of Dave Porecki has to be anchored underneath Josh van der Flier’s right armpit, not around the neck. Because the defender is on his feet and upright (and wearing a red hat), the referee and his TMO will always pick up on it.

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Unusually, All Black supporters find themselves in a similar quandary to their neighbours from across the Tasman after throwing away a 25-6 lead in the final nine minutes of the match against England at Twickenham.

As Highlander suggested in his post-game synopsis, “New Zealand had total dominance at the gain-line and breakdown for the majority of this game; then, in almost a total reversal of roles, started to kick poorly, and invited England back into the contest.”

Mzilikazi added, “I have twice looked at the last 10 [minutes]… Bizarre, and deeply disturbing for all All-Blacks people. I don’t think I have ever seen a finish like that.”

In fact, the finish was not down to poor kicking by New Zealand, but poor defence on the back of a tactical error. Some average D has continued to bedevil the All Blacks of 2022, even as other areas of their game like the scrum, lineout maul and management of the breakdown have come on in leaps and bounds.

Paulo was closest to the truth when he stated, “How we are playing and the decisions, or lack thereof, are what irks most supporters. After setting up what should have been a win, there was some really poor decision-making and an inability to adapt on-field.”

What form did the poor decision-making take? The tipping point arrived after a Marcus Smith break and a Will Stuart try in the 71st minute.

Now freeze the frame as Ben Youngs goes to pass from the base and you will get an idea how problems proliferated so quickly for the New Zealand defence:

There are only two New Zealand defenders in-line out to the right, and one is a tight forward (Brodie Retallick). They are matched up against five England attackers, with a sixth (Owen Farrell) swinging around to join them.

New Zealand are keeping two defenders in the backfield (Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga) with T.J. Perenara policing the zone behind the ruck. The issue for New Zealand was that they maintained this shape even losing Barrett to a yellow card, for slowing the ball illegally in the tackle on Smith:

Freddie Steward duly scored England’s third try of the game a couple of phases later. There was no sign of adaptation by the men in black when England replaced Manu Tuilagi with Henry Slade in the 54th minute, even though it gave them three players who could distribute effectively to the edge. With the All Blacks keeping two in the backfield and one behind the ruck, England were able to find width far more easily than New Zealand could prevent it.

Three backs standing in-line, with the other three languishing in the backfield is far too soft and compliant, and ironically it is the same tactical mistake the Red Roses made when they dropped to 14 permanently after Lydia Thompson’s red card in the Women’s World Cup final:

Emily Scarratt is the only England back defending out to the right with forwards inside her, and the backfield triangle of scrum-half, left wing and full-back are all out of play for too long to make any difference.

The Black Ferns scored a length-of-the-field try and harvested 29 points over the half hour or so when England stuck with that same defensive structure. By the time they changed, it was too late to alter the fate of the match and the destination of the World Cup trophy.

The Crowd Says:

2022-12-12T05:40:11+00:00

Frankyl

Roar Rookie


Miz Have a son in Brissy and there this Cmas. Call me on 0424206270 for a chat if you wish.

2022-11-28T11:32:06+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


Just finished dinner and watched a beautiful desert sunset. Currently about 550km north and slightly east of Kalgoorlie. Cattle station gold and copper country. Windy as all buggery!

2022-11-27T22:49:25+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


Not saying I agree with the rulings but that is a clear difference I see. I thought that valetinis had no mitigation for change in height, but mitigation for secondary contact and let's say medium force. I think red would've been consistent with what we have seen over the last couple of years, but a yellow common sense. But just in the last month refs have really seemed to try and reduce the number of cards given... Maybe a behind closed doors directive in prep for RWC.

2022-11-27T22:48:16+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Deep but true NorthKiwi.

2022-11-27T21:37:48+00:00

Northkiwi

Roar Rookie


A bit of psychology in how Refs respond to head contact. We humans can’t change or help what our subconscious biases are. Usually we don’t even have any insight to what they might be. So when there is head on head contact, it’s about then that the Ref and TMO team will express their subconscious bias. If they think one party is the bad guy/girl, they will tend to see in red and yellow. But if there subconscious bias is the other way – they will see mitigation and “no intent”. They can’t help it. That is why there will always be inconsistency.

2022-11-27T11:44:42+00:00

mzilikazi

Roar Pro


Thanks, Nic.

2022-11-27T00:21:51+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


Ref needs to do better. Player holding onto the player on the grow to stay on his feet is not supporting his own weight.

2022-11-27T00:19:22+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


I get that, but the ball carrier must be part of the picture. The ball carrier clearly contributed to this head clash.

2022-11-26T20:36:29+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


I simply don’t agree. No biggies

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2022-11-26T16:09:38+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rob-kearney-left-pretty-unimpressed-by-year-in-australia/ Fascinating comments by Rob Kearney on Aussie coaching here Miz.

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2022-11-26T16:08:37+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I think it’s more simple than that Ken. If you’re conceding more pens than the opposition match-in match-out, then discipline is a clear concern. Yes there are subjective factors, but if a range of refs are finding against you it means that subjective is fast becoming objective. FYI Aussie had the worst pen ratio (awarded v conceded) in the RC (-22) and is -8 so far on tour. Very interesting comments by Rob Kearney who spent a year at the Force here. https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rob-kearney-left-pretty-unimpressed-by-year-in-australia/

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2022-11-26T15:55:16+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes I knew a number of ex-miners who suffered from silicosis growing up and it was not a pretty sight.

AUTHOR

2022-11-26T15:54:00+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes if you have Rodda calling there is less need for Jed at 6.

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2022-11-26T15:53:08+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Others may argue but I think JOC is at his best as a 13-type centre. I wouldn't push Ikitau into 12 as he's the best 13 in Aussie by a margin and you don't need him to shift there.

2022-11-26T15:44:47+00:00

Mo

Guest


Nick you said Noah and Joc are too similar to line up at 10 And 12. In the old days Joc was not a natural 10 but surely he was a much better player than Noah. Joc took on the best even as a teenager. I reckon 2019 Joc shoulda started at 12 and played that 2015 giteau role. TK at 13 who still had it then but lost it in 2016 with Kerevi subbing in. Now it has to be foketi hodge or Kerevi at 12. How does ikitau look as a permanent 12? Reckon edmed could add 10kgs and become 12 and pasitoa already has the size but needs his knee to work

2022-11-26T15:43:01+00:00

The Yabbie

Roar Rookie


I’ve read a far bit about the latest on food and nutrition and the effects of inflammation. Then I read how AAA’s fav food is KFC. High in toxic trans fat. I know these guys eat for a family of 5 but I wonder if there is a connection.

2022-11-26T15:24:18+00:00

Mo

Guest


Nick I thought the problem was lineout caller. Jed May be required at 6 or lock if frost and will play. Phillip can call but how good is he? Rodda lock gives a lock plus caller. Allows a faster 6 than Jed. I don’t know frosts test match good points as such but he is fast like lsl isn’t and maybe Jed isn’t

2022-11-26T15:06:48+00:00

Mo

Guest


I almost appreciate the passion and history but coal mining work particularly in wales and the uk is to be avoided. Better to be one of those wimps from the university

2022-11-26T15:01:08+00:00

Mo

Guest


Make red 20 mins and introduce black card for extreme dodginess

2022-11-26T14:12:25+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Nick, Thank you for the positive detail, again, on Lil’ Will, and the potential he enables when he has WB compliments. Australia, the only nation with a 145kg playmaker? Appreciate your continuing exploration/celebration of our WB strong points. And I am also well pleased that Aussie Dave is catching on, both to your insights (Skelton) and mine (Cooper), and getting some pay. If it’s not a rude question, how much is Dave paying you? (FYI- I’m very happy with my cut). I would like to offer some nuance into the debate about the of late Great Australian ‘Discipline’ Problem, since the D word has appeared in your piece. ( If Drew Mitchell utters it one more time I swear I will brick the tellie). Yes, the FF contact was unnecessary, ineffective and very costly. Wtf was he thinking, or not thinking, in the context of BOKs stern warning? There is a retired Brumby who might counter ‘that’s not a neck roll, This is a neck roll’. :silly: Soft contact with the inner shoulder then slipping off the player would look like luxury to the recently retired guy who invented unmoveable pilfering, and who had his neck deployed as fulcrum by obvious tactic by certain opponents numerous times over the last of his playing years. Yes, ironically, he was a Wallaby, in the years prior the the Great Australian Discipline problem. Not saying the penalties were unwarranted, but one of your clips has Hooper clutching his head immediately prior to the FF carding. Reckless at least, no? Now our best 7 is concussed, and is flying home, while the penalty count, and therefore WB ‘discipline’, remains a topic. Not targeting you, Nick. It’s the discussion that develops from the mention of Wallaby and penalty in the same sentence. The penalty count/ratio ‘data’ invites invariably an attendant discussion around WB ‘discipline’ – (and surely brain fades by FF, Porecki and Gordon don’t help my argument) BUT – Is not the penalty ratio slanted by unpredictable (i.e discipline-neutral) subjectives like: – The pedantic, irrelevant penalty on Gordon’s incidental maul contact? – The Hansen double play of the ball on the ground in front of BOKs eyes? – The recently arrived (post-Poey) decision by WR, and the obedience of BOK, to define any neck touching as ‘rolling’? – The Hooper injury that was not even looked at let alone sanctioned?and – The final scrum that splintered the Irish was a lottery decided in Ireland’s match winning favour? These incidents, subjectively interpreted in other ways, could flip the penalty ratio, and take the hype out of the WB discipline narrative, no? Not saying that the WBs didn’t play dumb, including FF and Gordon. Not saying that the world is agin’ us (though some referees tempt- lookin’ at you Jaco) But surely the subjectivity (not to mention the occasional myopia :happy:) of faceless officials and fallible referees, is an admissible mitigation factor in the GADP? If the WBs have an image problem, so do certain referees and WR. But only the former are paying for it.

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