Where Socceroos vs Argentina will be won and lost - and do we have any chance of stopping a Messi on a misison?

By Stuart Thomas / Expert

Whilst the emotion around the Socceroos’ advancement to the World Cup round of 16 has been palpable, the passion created will have little to do with the result tomorrow morning.

There is a seriously challenging game of football to be played against world powerhouse Argentina, with the reality that a genius named Lionel Messi will be just one of the gifted players whom the Australians must combat.

Coach Graham Arnold has managed the campaign expertly thus far and navigated the group stage with a core group of players that will most likely be called on again to produce a result. That stretches the resources and will require yet another superhuman effort for the Socceroos to shock the world, beat Argentina and advance to the quarter-finals.

With less than 24 hours remaining until kick-off and nervous tension rising, here is everything you need to know heading into the match.

The Opposition

Following a stunning loss to Saudi Arabia in the opening days of the tournament, Argentina qualified as the top ranked team in Group C after wins against Poland and Mexico. They have scored a total of five goals, conceded just two and maintained clean sheets in both of their wins.

Lionel Messi has scored twice, one a controversial penalty against Saudi Arabia and the South Americans have enjoyed the lion’s share of possession in each match. Against the Saudis, superior control in midfield saw 70 per cent possession achieved and 15 shots on goal, subsequently, 59 per cent of possession was won against Mexico and a dominant 74 against Poland, where 23 shots were created.

Defensively, Argentina have been solid, permitting just three shots on target across the tournament thus far and in attack, a patient game of control and movement has created the chances required to earn the two decisive victories that were necessary to advance.

The Socceroos

After a humbling start to the World Cup, the Australians have been inspired ever since. The 4-1 loss to France was far from an embarrassment, yet a galvanising of spirit and effort was required against Tunisia, where a single first-half goal proved enough, despite the Africans pounding the Australian defensive block late in the match.

A second 1-0 win against Denmark shocked many, with the Danes unable to find the net against a team capable of snatching goals on the counter and then defending a lead. The Aussies have scored just twice, conceded four and match the Argentinians with their two clean sheets.

However, the possession stats read in contrast to their opponents for this match, with just 37, 41 and 31 per cent of the ball having been won across the Socceroos’ group matches. What we have seen from Argentina thus far suggests that their control and fluidity of ball movement will once again have the Australians defending for long periods and hopeful of a counter-attacking opportunity.

Fatigue

The World Cup is an enormous physical challenge for teams advancing beyond the group stage, with just three days break permitted for both these squads and some heavy legs and cramp certain to feature again.

That could see changes to both starting teams and the Australians under particular pressure after relying heavily on a settled eleven thus far. The movement and speed of Keanu Baccus alongside Aaron Mooy in defensive midfield appeared positive for the Socceroos in the second half against Denmark, yet Craig Goodwin does appear to have succumbed to a niggle and Mathew Leckie has exhausted his tank in three matches, where he has performed as well as any Socceroo.

Argentina have been far more rotational in their approach, with significant changes in the back four and similar variations in midfield, suggesting that the squad has been managed well and perhaps better off physically than what must be a fatigued Socceroo group.

The two constants for Argentina appear to be Messi and Angel Di Maria, with the threat they pose only magnified by the likely inclusion of Lautaro Martinez on the left side of attack.

The tactics

From what Argentina have shown in Qatar thus far, outside the stunning collapse against Saudi Arabia, they look like a calm, passionate and explosive team that is content to sit on the ball for long periods before finding the crucial and precise pass that exposes defences. It does appear more likely a case of when rather than if whilst watching their attacking build-up, and that spells danger for the Socceroos, with plenty of defending certain to do in their back third.

The Australians were able to block passing lanes against the Tunisians and the Danes during the first halves of those matches and will need to do so again against the South Americans. However, maintaining that intensity for the full 90 minutes proved difficult in both fixtures and the Argentinians pose a potentially even greater attacking threat.

The Socceroos have been exposed down both flanks at times, with Milos Degenek and Aziz Behich certain to be tested again by the speed and skill of the Argentinian wide men. The communication between central defenders Harry Souttar and Kye Rowles and their retreating defensive midfielders will be key and has been one of the highlights of the Socceroo performances in Qatar.

The verdict

It is hard to see the Socceroos finding another effort capable of blunting Argentina sufficiently to keep a third clean sheet for the tournament and thus, at least one goal will need to be found at the other end. That will be a challenge for the Australians against what looks like an organised and proficient Argentine defence.

Messi looks like a man on a mission in what could well be his swansong as the greatest player of the modern era.

Despite what will be a brave and committed effort from the men in gold, the quality of the Argentinian team should prevail over the 90 minutes and see them advance to the quarter-finals.

The details

Socceroo Squad

Mat Ryan, Andrew Redmayne, Danny Vukovic, Milos Degenek, Aziz Behich, Joel King, Nathaniel Atkinson, Fran Karacic, Harry Souttar, Kye Rowles, Bailey Wright, Thomas Deng, Aaron Mooy, Jackson Irvine, Ajdin Hrustic, Keanu Baccus, Cameron Devlin, Riley McGree, Awer Mabil, Mathew Leckie, Jamie Maclaren, Jason Cummings, Mitchell Duke, Garang Kuol, Craig Goodwin, Marco Tilio

Argentina Squad

Emiliano Martinez, Geronimo Rulli, Franco Armani, Nahuel Molina, Gonzalo Montiel, Cristian Romero, German Pezzella, Nicolas Otamendi, Lisandro Martinez, Marcos Acuna, Nicolas Tagliafico, Juan Foyth, Rodrigo De Paul, Leandro Paredes, Alexis Mac Allister, Guido Rodriguez, Papu Gomez, Enzo Fernandez, Exequiel Palacios, Lionel Messi, Angel Di Maria, Lautaro Martinez, Julian Alvarez, Paulo Dybala, Angel Correa, Thiago Almada

Match details

Socceroos vs Argentina
When: Sunday 4th November 2022, 6am (AEDT)
Where: Ahmad bin Ali Stadium, Al Rayyan, Qatar
Broadcast: SBS
Betting: Socceroos $14.00 Draw $6.50 Argentina $1.20

The Crowd Says:

2022-12-03T13:44:23+00:00

Nick Symonds

Guest


Playmaking is about more than just making assists, it's about having intelligence, vision, creativity and the ability to dictate the tempo and direction of the game. Also, in the case of McGree's assist to Leckie he was playing as a winger at the time. - Riley McGree | All Goals & Assists | Hyundai A-League Career https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8MTPhzv0eA Denis Genreau - Toulouse FC | 2021/2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTmZuveJsMM Lionel Messi is the Perfect Playmaker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkUG6MlxWqw

2022-12-03T12:54:02+00:00

Roberto Bettega

Roar Rookie


South Korea got past both Spain and Italy in a hometown WC, at a time when they weren't terribly strong as a footballing nation. There have been a few big upsets over the years in the WC, especially in the group stages. But to be honest, at the knock out stages, the upsets are far and few between. Actually, it's uncommon that a nation ranked as low as Australia even makes it out of the group stage, let alone goes on to defeat a top 3 nation in the knock out stage.

2022-12-03T12:17:58+00:00

Bendtner52

Roar Pro


Crazier things have happened in football before than a Socceroos win tomorrow

2022-12-03T10:42:19+00:00

Anibal Pyro

Roar Rookie


First real memories were all the 7 games from Argentina at 1986. 9yrs old . As a Newells fan, Maradona and Messi had our colours. My father watched Pele, Maradona and Messi live, he says that teen Maradona between 1977-1981 was the best player of all times, Argentinos Juniors era. 4 times in a road golden boot as a 10, Argentina record rigth now. No much videos from that. And Arg league was one of the best of the world during that time. 1975-1990. Clubs world champions ( Independiente, Boca, River) and 2 world cups and a final. Before Bosman law destroy South América soccer

2022-12-03T10:30:41+00:00

Anibal Pyro

Roar Rookie


Yes, I would say its a Wallabies Pumas playing in Australia. Argentina will have 75% of the crowd for sure, so will play as local almost. So this time Arg is the favourite as Wallabies, and Socceroos are the Pumas, an upset is not off the table. Argentina has not the talent of Brazil, but when its strong in defence always went far, and this Scaloni team concede veeery little goals, just checked last 39 games. It shoulb be around 10 goals received in 39 games, all the media talk about Messi & co, but missing the point, the defensive system is one the best of the world.

2022-12-03T06:21:20+00:00

Brainstrust

Roar Rookie


Saudi Arabia in the past were nowhere near as good physically, or organised defensively as they were in qualifying. I would have been a lot more wary of Saudi Arabia than Australia, coming into the world cup. Argentina were unlucky in that they faced Saudi Arabia in the first game, because after the first game Saudi Arabia looked tired.

2022-12-03T05:38:27+00:00

Para+Ten ISUZU Subway support Australian Football

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FFFC, thanks for the update. Pity, I was unaware of that. I have a lot of admiration for this player, he really stood out for me in the Olympics. His reading of the game and how he moved across the back line was very impressive.

2022-12-03T05:34:01+00:00

Roberto Bettega

Roar Rookie


Not wishing to come across as a hypocrite, I went trawling for my comments pre the Peru game, and I found this absolute gem: "It’s a one-off tie, anything can happen. Don’t forget, we don’t actually have to win the game to qualify. So if anyone says: Australia can’t beat Peru, the obvious response is: that might be true, but so what? Australia can still qualify ahead of Peru. "

2022-12-03T05:22:30+00:00

Roberto Bettega

Roar Rookie


Yes, well, a tiny bit of dumping continues! Winning overcomes all obstacles.

2022-12-03T04:44:01+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


during qualifying, losing games that should not have been lost, even going to a playoff, lots of fans were dumping on Arnie

2022-12-03T04:30:13+00:00

Roberto Bettega

Roar Rookie


I don't think everyone said it! It was a one-off game in Qatar rather than the usual home and away concept - I think that opened the door for the socceroos.

2022-12-03T04:23:08+00:00

Roberto Bettega

Roar Rookie


It's really nice to get a perspective from Argentina. Those of us who have been watching the WC for decades we always enjoy watching the likes of Brazil and Argentina at their peaks (although Argentina does occasionally go through poor patches!) - in fact, the very first WC I ever saw on TV was in 1978 in a very grainy picture. Only six or seven games were shown live, so in the 2nd round when Italy was playing Germany, my dad and I got up in the middle of the night to listen to an Italian language broadcast on the radio. For many of us, the WC is about getting up in the middle of the night in the middle of Winter. I think deep down all socceroo fans know we are up against it, but if there is one thing we've learned about this WC, it's 11 v 11 and almost anything can happen.

2022-12-03T03:33:00+00:00

Free flowing FC

Roar Rookie


Not a playmaker? Are you forgetting McGrees key passes from his own half in setting up our last two goals..

2022-12-03T03:30:15+00:00

Free flowing FC

Roar Rookie


Apparently Deng had a niggle when we faced France so naturally didn’t come in to calculations Hard to see the back four changing from v Denmark..Unless one of the back four really aren’t up to it. They should be tho

2022-12-03T03:29:23+00:00

Anibal Pyro

Roar Rookie


Yes indeed. I watched UAE -Australia and Perú Australia, and to be honest, the improvement of Socceroos from those games is amazing. Here in Argentina there is a lot of confidence that the team will win, but with huge respect to Australia. With Saudi Arab the media only ask by how many goals Argentina would won.

2022-12-03T03:24:53+00:00

Free flowing FC

Roar Rookie


It’s intriguing isn’t it. Reckon the match is suited nicely for Tilio..got a sneaky feeling he’s gonna play a part in this match

2022-12-03T03:01:55+00:00

Nick Symonds

Guest


4-4-2 STRIKER COMBINATIONS Maclaren and Duke - Fox in the box + target man Maclaren and Leckie - Fox in the box + direct attacker Cummings and Leckie - Pair of strikers with the best assist records to set each other up - Cummings: 12 goals and 8 assists in 26 matches Leckie: 9 goals and 4 assists in 23 matches last season (in a more attacking role) Duke: 11 goals and 4 assists from 51 matches Maclaren: 74 goals and 11 assists from 88 matches

2022-12-03T02:42:20+00:00

Nick Symonds

Guest


“Defensively, Argentina have been solid, permitting just three shots on target across the tournament thus far” - How do you crack that? Just wondering if this is the moment for Maclaren, a fox in the box who nobody sees. Or maybe Tilio as a false 9 slipping between the lines. Or could Kuol be the super sub to find a way through? Or could it be Deng who appears for the first time and surprises everyone?

2022-12-03T02:32:20+00:00

Redondo

Roar Rookie


Maybe 4-1-4-1 for a change: Ryan Degenek, Souttar, Rowles, Behich Devlin Leckie, Mooy, Irvine, Mcgree Duke With Baccus, Kuol, and Cummings coming on for Leckie, McGree/Devlin and Duke when we need a goal. Devlin would probably have to be subbed because he'd be sure to get a card.

2022-12-03T01:45:42+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


everyone did say that, but they but did give us more than a few reasons to say it

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