Smart Signings: Warriors boxed clever with their coach but no amount of recruitment can fix them for 2023

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

Look, it’s hard to suggest a signing for the Warriors that wouldn’t improve them. They were really bad last year, and the year before, and every year before that going back to 2018, when they made the finals for the only time in the last decade.

That’s not all their fault, of course, given that they played away from home for an entire year, but it’s also quite telling given the potential that the club has. It’s cliché to suggest that the Warriors underachieve their potential but that’s because it’s true.

2023 promises to be something of a reboot. They’ve hired Andrew Webster, the former Panthers assistant, to coach the team. They’ve had a squad overhaul, with plenty of key position players leaving and a grand total of ten first graders out, ten in.

For those of us looking to recommend signings to them, the issues are manifold. For one, we can’t really guess how they are going to play, because Andrew Webster has never coached a game of first grade.

For two, we don’t know who is going to play where, because their ins and outs have clustered around a few positions and left huge gaps in others.

And for three, it might well be that one season of chaos is enough and just trying to work with what they have might be the best option. Adding more ins and outs at this stage probably doesn’t help much.

Let’s approach the three angles analytically. Webster, in my fairly limited dealings with him at both the Panthers and with Samoa, has always struck me as a stand-up guy who will improve the Warriors’ culture no end, while having the tactical nous to get the most from the playing group too.

Shaun Johnson. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Given that their big issue in 2022 was defence, the culture stuff matters. While I’m not 100% on board with the “defence is all attitude” reductivism mentality (as if having a plan didn’t matter at all), there is a lot to be said for effort, and effort comes from wanting to play for the group around you.

Webster will improve that side of things, because he comes from the system with the best track record for culture, the best practice for managing Pacific athletes and the most integrated pathway system. As long-term solutions go, he is a good choice.

In the short term, there’s an obvious area to fix. The Warriors conceded nearly 30 points per game last year, the worst record in the comp, despite being nowhere near the worst for the usual indicators of crap defence, like run metres conceded and line breaks conceded.

Interestingly, they were roughly the same in those metrics as the Dragons but ended up a try per game worse off. That speaks, to me, to differing levels of commitment.

Webster can fix that without signing a soul, though Marata Niukore and Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, both defence-first players, will also help. CNK was low-key the best defensive fullback in the comp in 2021, with almost no errors, and they’ll hope to get him back to that level.

On the recruitment front, he deals with the on-going structural issues that the Warriors have in being based (or not based, as it has been) in New Zealand. Huge turnover was required and, truth be told, a change might be as good as a rest for plenty of the players.

Andrew Webster. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

Reece Walsh and Chanel Harris-Tavita are huge losses in their spine and have been replaced by clear downgrades in Nicoll-Klokstad and Te Maire Martin, who will likely fit it at five eighth. Along with a past-his-best Shaun Johnson and the distinctly average Wayde Egan, this is probably the worst spine in the NRL.

One looks at the Kiwi national team halves at other clubs and weeps for New Zealand’s talent retention. Short of putting a blank cheque in front of Joey Manu for 2025 and curling up in a ball until the saviour arrives, I’m not sure where they can go.

Luke Metcalf and Ronald Volkman are back-up options but the latter is young and Metcalf has seven NRL games in two years. They might come good over time but…yeah. I’d be surprised if either make it in 2023.

The metres are also going to be a huge problem. Addin Fonua-Blake was their only player to make the top 40 for metres among NRL forwards and their backline was even worse, with Marcelo Montoya their best back, but still outside of the top 60 in that category.

The Warriors lost their second big man, Matt Lodge, midway through last season and haven’t replaced him. They also lost their second best interchange middle, Eliesa Katoa, plus arguably their third best, Ben Murdoch-Masila, and have brought in … nobody.

When I write these pieces, I sketch out a best 13 and bench: with the Warriors, I ended up with Jazz Tevaga in the front row, Bunty Afoa as one interchange middle, Dylan Walker as an impact 14, Freddy Lussick as a 9 rotation and nobody else. The options are thin on the ground.

Tom Ale is still there and might get more footy, Bayley Sironen will fit into that back row rotation somewhere along with Mitch Barnett and Jackson Ford, who has 2022 wrecked by injury at the Dragons.

Beyond that, there’s the Kepu twins, Otukinekina and Valingi, who were upgraded to top 30 contracts. They’re both huge bodies and will almost certainly get a run, but both are yet to make NRL debuts and weren’t standout in Q Cup.

We have to assume that Webster is going to play an agile pack with ball-playing forwards, because I really don’t see how it can go any other way.

Webster might have wanted to do that anyway given Tohu Harris is a decent option at lock and Addin Fonua-Blake will do that from prop, but he lacks cattle to do anything else. This won’t be the classic Warriors brand of footy.

If we’re looking at what they can actually do to change these things, the options are startlingly limited. They might get a run out of Martin Taupau – who I feel makes every second Smart Signings, such is the dearth of available big men – but he seems to have his heart set on staying in Sydney.

In truth, their best plan might be to throw the kitchen sink at Nelson Asofa-Solomona for 2024, offering a homecoming to the Kiwi international. Tof Sipley, another NZ-born star whom they previously let go, would also be a drastic improvement and is available for a chat.

For next year, avoiding the wooden spoon and working out where they want to be in the future is probably the only course to chat.

Webster, whenever I spoke to him about it, always impressed on me the idea that coaches should base their system on what they could do and not their ideology. It was pointless being philosophically rigid if you didn’t have the cattle to enact your ideas in the real world.

In many ways, he gets the perfect place to start. He’ll build culture from the ground up in an environment with, let’s face it, very little expectations. If he makes the Warriors fun again, re-roots them to their home and support base and gets a few results, especially in front of the Kiwi fans, this will probably be seen as a success.

The loss of pathways over Covid might prove the longer-term issue, but it might also prove to have kept a few years’ worth of talent at home that might otherwise have taken the well-trodden route to Australia.

Webster, having been at the club before, knows all about that side of things. From understudying at Penrith, he knows all about long-term planning. Now, he gets the chance to do it for real.

The Crowd Says:

2023-01-15T01:50:33+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


They don't show as having enough NRL standard players to fill one team.

2023-01-13T07:40:53+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


Yep, forgot about Stewart! :happy:

2023-01-13T05:23:53+00:00

BeastieBoy

Roar Rookie


To be stronger they need a second team in NZ, based where the junior leagues are the strongest, or maybe the opportunity to wedge into the Maori population that normally would go to union. Is it Wellington or Christchurch?

2023-01-12T22:49:51+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Well three really but thats probably semantics I don’t think he’s certain of which direction it is from Sydney. For context I think wellington in the same relative position to the two main Islands as central qld is to mainland Australia.

2023-01-12T22:33:50+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


Does JFP know NZ has two islands, Mushi?

2023-01-12T11:26:34+00:00

Greg

Roar Pro


id disagree with a lot (not all) of your points there but kind of agree with it being a bit of chicken or egg topic.

2023-01-12T07:50:55+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Said no one in NZ…

2023-01-12T07:46:04+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


The teams probably have access to better stats packages but for the most part the nrl and its media partners have shown very little interest in developing decent stats for general consumption (most stats we use have very little correlation to sciring or stopping scoring) Heck they don’t even provide the mediocre data in an easy format to use. Fullback defence is at any rate difficult to analyse I think with individual data as a “bad” full back involvement is: them not being there at all to force a pass or slow the break, not being in position to dissuade a kick, or failing to organise the line. Those absences aren’t going to be captured by our stats

2023-01-12T06:07:31+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


True but is so far Sth, it may as well be.

2023-01-12T04:30:39+00:00

Short Memory

Roar Rookie


Thanks for that. I'm genuinely curious to know what the benchmarks are for a good defensive fullback?

2023-01-12T04:00:36+00:00

Stuart McLennan

Expert


2023-01-12T02:12:47+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Yep TE at any position isn't great. It's a clumsy stat, there isn't really any great "tackling" defensive stat

2023-01-11T23:18:10+00:00

Matiunz

Guest


Wellington is on the North island… Mt Smart unavailable for round 1 so they have to take it elsewhere

2023-01-11T22:14:14+00:00

Ferret

Roar Rookie


Probably a bit of a "Chicken and Egg" topic. But here are some counterpoints to your argument: (i) A Champion team (well coached) will (almost) always beat a team of champions (ii) The players don't necessarily make the coach (exhibit A NSW SoO teams under Fittler as coach). Even as a Qlder I admit, NSW have better individual talent in nearly all positions. But it wasn't enough in 2 of the past 3 years (iii) Craig Bellamy: takes Q cuppers and turns them into NRL players / stars (iv) Defence wins premierships and this is something that definitely does not rely on individual talent but well coached systems. Panthers defence in the finals series in 2021 won it for them. This is a big one. Every successful coach says get defence in order first and the points will come later. (v) For every "I predicted ... to be a star.." article I can name 5 times as many "this kid is going to be the next Andrew Johns". Joey retired in 2007. (vi) I would contend that the Panthers are a prime example of a well-coached unit but not overly burdened with super talented individuals. To'o, Luai, Crichton have talent you can't coach but the rest are just good very players playing at their absolute best. I wouldn't swap Dylan Edwards for nearly any other fullback. But he ain't super talented like Latrell, Tedesco, Manu. Anyhow, just some thoughts for consideration.

2023-01-11T20:19:29+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Dean, you have really thought this through. Great comment.

2023-01-11T20:13:48+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


“coaches should base their system on what they could do and not their ideology”. So he’s the anti-Seibold

2023-01-11T10:27:54+00:00

Greg

Roar Pro


Well, i did write this in January 2022. "In what may be a sign of what’s to come, Nanai played in the Cowboys’ final four games of 2021, scoring a try in his first game, making a line break in each of his next two games before playing the full 80 minutes of the final game..." And in January 2021 i also wrote "Tom Gilbert has been earmarked for big things for a long time, having been a standout in the Cowboys academy program and having continued to impress with each step of his career..." I'm with Albo. The coach plays a role but i firmly believe the talent makes the coach, not the coach makes the talent.

2023-01-11T09:36:03+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


Sometimes the cattle aren't playing to their potential or in may cases get a year older and bloom. The Pennies are a good example. Most of us didn't know how good the cattle were and Ivan Cleary was about to quit as coach because it wasn't working. If Cleary had of quit the new coach would have been considered a champion because the stars were aligning with the cattle and whoever was coaching would have reaped the benefits. Payton and Cleary haven't changed that much as coaches in 12 months but the performance of the cattle have.

2023-01-11T09:15:32+00:00

Short Memory

Roar Rookie


Hm. What defensive stats do you reckon are relevant for FB? Is it just coincidence that Turbo, Trell and Edwards all have TE over 80%?

2023-01-11T08:21:22+00:00

Succhi

Roar Rookie


Until the Warriors can keep and develop their juniors they will be forever cellar dwellers. Shame.

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