Does hosting the grand final at the MCG really provide an advantage for Victorian teams?

By Mr Arbiter Sir / Roar Rookie

Since the inception of the AFL in 1990 there has been furious debate over the location of where the grand final is hosted.

Competition traditionalists argue that it always has and always should be hosted at the MCG as per history and tradition while others suggest that the grand final should be hosted at the home ground of the team that finishes highest on the ladder earning them the “home” fixture.

The main reason for this opposing argument is the consensus that tenant teams to the MCG have an unfair advantage playing teams that are not tenants, especially those teams who reside interstate.

These tenant teams are Richmond, Hawthorn, Collingwood, and Melbourne with partial tenancies handed to Essendon and Carlton, who split their tenancy with Marvel Stadium, and Geelong who split their tenancy with GMHBA.

It is also worth highlighting that prior to the construction of Marvel Stadium as it’s known now and the eventual demise of Waverly Park, North Melbourne called the MCG home until 2005, Hawthorn only became an MCG tenant in 2000.

The Western Bulldogs nor St Kilda have called the MCG home since 1990.

With the inception of a 19th and eventually a 20th team in the foreseeable future, there will be an even number of teams based in Victoria and those based interstate. But does hosting the grand final every year at the MCG really provide an advantage for tenant teams and Victorian-based teams in general?

I’ve looked at the stats, the numbers and the circumstances behind the winning and losing teams of every grand final since 1990 and the results might actually surprise you.

The MCG has been the home of the VFL/AFL grand final since 1902 with a few exceptions. The two most notable of these exceptions are the ones in our most recent memory. 2020 and 2021 due to COVID-19 lockdowns closing state borders in Australia.

These two grand final played in Queensland and Western Australia respectively have been the only two in AFL history to be played outside of Victoria.

To the dire of fans who support interstate teams, in 2018 the AFL locked in the MCG as the home of the grand final until 2057 – for another 34 years from now. The grand final isn’t moving from the MCG any time soon but having the grand final at what is considered to be one of the greatest stadiums in the world doesn’t provide teams the advantage that people claim it does.

Breaking down the stats since 1990 to their bare numbers, we can observe the following.

Grand finals won by:

MCG Tenant teams – 19
Carlton (‘95)
Collingwood (‘90, ‘10)
Essendon (‘93, ‘00)
Geelong (‘07, ‘09, ‘11, ‘22)
Hawthorn (‘08, ‘13, ‘14, ‘15)
Melbourne (‘21)
North Melbourne (‘96, ‘99)
Richmond (‘17, ‘19, ‘20)

Victorian non-tenant teams – 2
Hawthorn (‘91)
Western Bulldogs (‘16)

Interstate teams – 12
Adelaide (‘97, ‘98)
Brisbane (‘01, ‘02, ‘03)
Port Adelaide (‘04)
Sydney (‘05, ‘12)
West Coast (‘92, ‘94, ‘06, ‘18)

On the basis of these numbers at face value, it does seem very lop-sided but there are a lot of other things worth considering when breaking down this argument when trying to prove or disprove the home ground/state advantage.

The first one is who the opponents were during these grand finals.

The following is a list of grand finals won by MCG tenant teams against non-tenant teams:
1996 – North Melbourne defeating Sydney by 43 points
2007 – Geelong defeating Port Adelaide by 119 points
2009 – Geelong defeating St Kilda by 12 points
2010 – Collingwood defeating St Kilda by 56 points (one week after the draw)
2013 – Hawthorn defeating Fremantle by 15 points
2014 – Hawthorn defeating Sydney by 63 points
2015 – Hawthorn defeating West Coast by 46 points
2017 – Richmond defeating Adelaide by 47 points
2019 – Richmond defeating GWS by 89 points
2021 – Melbourne defeating Western Bulldogs by 74 points
2022 – Geelong defeating Sydney by 71 points

The 2021 premiership victory by Melbourne was not played at the MCG due to COVID-19 so can be omitted from this argument. This leaves 10 premierships won by MCG tenants against nontenant teams, with 8 of those victories occurring against interstate teams.

Next, let’s look at the other side of the equation.

The following is a list of Grand Finals won by interstate teams against MCG tenant teams:
1992 – West Coast defeated Geelong by 28 points
1994 – West Coast defeated Geelong by 80 points
1998 – Adelaide defeated North Melbourne by 35 points
2001 – Brisbane defeated Essendon by 26 points
2002 – Brisbane defeated Collingwood by 9 points
2003 – Brisbane defeated Collingwood by 50 points
2012 – Sydney defeated Hawthorn by 10 points
2018 – West Coast defeated Collingwood by 5 points

There is one premiership won by an interstate team against a Victorian team that is not a tenant of the MCG and that was the 1997 victory by Adelaide over St Kilda so it is not counted in this argument.

That leaves 10 premierships won by MCG tenants at the MCG against non-tenant teams, 8 of those occurring against interstate teams. On the contrary, 8 premierships won by interstate teams at the MCG occurred against MCG tenant teams.

The split is an even 50% either way for MCG tenants and interstate teams which seems to break down the “home-ground advantage” on Grand Final nearly instantly.

I can further argue that there are a lot of significantly more impactful factors that have led to MCG tenants and one non-tenant Victorian team defeating interstate opposition in grand finals held at the MCG that extend far beyond a home-state advantage.

(Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

The 1996 victory by North Melbourne over Sydney was pre-shadowed by interruptions to Sydney’s match preparations where it eventually took a Supreme Court injunction to have a tribunal hearing delayed for a report on Sydney defender Andrew Dunkley for striking Essendon’s James Hird in the preliminary final.

Attending court hearings as well as the media intrusion hanging over the club at the time could be argued to have caused major distractions in Sydney’s preparation before the Grand Final in which Andrew Dunkley was considered the man to take on a red-hot Wayne Carey.

The 2007 victory by Geelong over Port Adelaide is to this day the highest ever winning margin in an AFL grand final. The first-placed Geelong finished 12 points over the second-placed Port Adelaide that season but question marks were raised on how Port Adelaide would perform if they were to make the grand final during the season after suffering losses to high pressure teams including losing to Adelaide twice and to Sydney during the season.

Geelong on the contrary was the highest-pressure team all year and many would make the argument that regardless of where the game was played it was going to result in a blowout.

The 2013 victory by Hawthorn over Fremantle is one of the few where a home-ground advantage could be argued due to the small margin and relative fitness of both teams on grand final day.

It is worth noting though that during that finals campaign, Fremantle managed to defeat Geelong in Geelong – the only team to do so that year. It was also the first and only time that Fremantle had made a grand final and the first half of football looked as if it was the pressure of the occasion and not the location that was the cause for Fremantle’s loss.

It was also the third premiership that coach Ross Lyon had lost, concerns raised prior to the grand final that his game style would not hold up in grand finals against high-scoring teams, something Hawthorn was renowned for by finishing the year on top of the ladder with a percentage of 135.72%. Hawthorn were simply the best team all year.

The 2014 victory by Hawthorn over Sydney couldn’t really be argued as being caused by a home advantage because Sydney had defeated Hawthorn in a grand final at the same ground just two years prior.

Lance Franklin of the Swans speaks to his teammates. (Photo by Brendon Thorne/AFL Photos/Getty Images)

This was Hawthorn’s third grand final in a row out of the eventual four in a row they would play and despite Sydney recruiting star forward Lance Franklin, the club was close to saying goodbye to some of their star players including Ryan O’Keefe who retired that year Adam Goodes, Mike Pyke and Rhys Shaw who all retired the year after.

The argument could be made that a hot-for-trot Hawthorn playing their third Grand Final in a row overcame what was simply an aging list.

The 2015 victory by Hawthorn over West Coast is likely the best contender for the argument of a home-ground advantage. In the first final of 2015, West Coast defeated Hawthorn convincingly in what was their home game played at Subiaco in Perth with a game style that had seen the Eagles finish second on the ladder, ahead of third-placed Hawthorn who boasted the highest points for and percentage during the home and away season.

In the lead-up to the grand final once West Coast and Hawthorn were locked in as the two teams to face off there was a lot of media questioning over whether Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson would be able to overcome the West Coast Eagles tactics that saw them defeated just a few weeks prior.

On the day, West Coast played the same tactics they had which brought them success all year but Hawthorn played a completely different style of football not seen by them all season.

Was it a home-ground advantage that led to Hawthorn’s victory or was it Alastair Clarkson providing a masterclass of coaching that led to West Coast’s defeat? This one will be up for debate until the end of time.

The 2016 victory by the Western Bulldogs over Sydney is infamous for a number of reasons. The season the Western Bulldogs finished in seventh place and Sydney on top is notable because only two victories split first and seventh at the end of the season.

During the finals campaign, the Western Bulldogs played some of their greatest games of football defeating West Coast in Perth, the reigning Triple-Premiers Hawthorn, and a very plucky GWS outfit before facing off against Sydney.

The grand final to this day is a hot topic of debate. Sydney suffered injuries early in the first quarter to both Lance Franklin who finished second in the Coleman medal by one goal and Daniel Hannebery who was arguably Sydney’s best midfielder at the time.

Both Franklin and Hannebery were listed in that season’s All-Australian on-field, with only two Western Bulldogs players scraping in on the All-Australian bench – Marcus Bontempelli and Matthew Boyd. Being two key players down for essentially three and a half quarters certainly impacted Sydney.

(Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

It’s also a contentious grand final in terms of how it was officiated with the game eventually coming under review by the AFL for the seemingly lop-sided free kick count and unfair calls made against Sydney during the day, in which the AFL determined that the umpiring was not up to standard by the three field umpires officiating on the day.

At the time of the 2017 victory by Richmond over Adelaide, it could have been very well argued that Richmond won due to a home ground advantage, a season where they had played more games at the MCG than any other team. As would be later revealed though it was also the same year Adelaide played after the controversial pre-season camp that saw players psychologically tortured and the birth of the infamous “power stance”.

This camp led to players retiring early or leaving Adelaide outright with some seeking public apologies for damages from the club themselves. If this was hanging over the players all season as it did for seasons to come then you could easily draw a conclusion that this camp had a greater bearing on the eventual grand final defeat than the ground it was played at.

The 2019 grand final where Richmond defeated GWS was the second one Richmond played in three years. It was also the first time that GWS had ever made the big dance.

Richmond had been near the top of the competition for three years now only bowing out of the 2018 finals due to a freakish quarter of football by Collingwood’s Mason Cox.

Many would argue that had Richmond beaten Collingwood they would have won four premierships in a row being the team to beat for the entirety of the season.

Richmond finished equal first on the ladder that season, GWS finishing sixth. An experienced finals team was coming up against a team of kids and the inevitable happened. Much like the 2007 grand final, this result was almost guaranteed regardless of where the game was played.

The 2022 grand final was much like the 2019 one. Geelong was the team to beat all year, finishing outright first on the ladder with the highest percentage and the oldest/most experienced team in the competition. Sydney finishing third had fielded the youngest list of the Top 8 that season.

Jeremy Cameron of the Geelong Cats celebrates. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)

There was a lot of back and forth in the days leading up to the Grand Final on whether Sydney’s youth could outrun the significantly older Geelong team but by the end of it, it was the bigger, stronger bodies of the Geelong side that seemingly outbodied the youngsters at nearly every contest.

So, does the MCG actually provide an advantage to Victorian teams on grand final day? The trope that Victorian teams seem to have an advantage can be seemingly disproved just by the raw numbers with a 50% win/loss ratio by MCG tenants against interstate teams.

Furthermore, in the victories by MCG tenants for the majority of those games the team that was better throughout the entire season won.

Ultimately, the best team on the day is going to win. Nothing has ever been truer than that.

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The Crowd Says:

2023-06-29T14:45:43+00:00

Fenwick Snap

Roar Rookie


Yes, interstate sides have stunk it up in recent times. Why, compared to earlier times, I don’t know. Some anomalies might help: the victorious Brizzie sides of 2001-3 were just too good regardless. I would argue that Collingwood only got close in 2002 because it was at the G. The same goes for 2018 – WC had to pull it out of the fire on a ground they got relatively little practice on. Freo had the same problem in 2013 – great effort to win at the cattery but they were running out of petrol tickets by the GF, and the G put on one of its ‘swirly bowl wind’ efforts that day, which Hawthorn worked out quicker, being the much more seasoned ‘tenant’ – Freo had hardly played there at all in the previous few seasons, maybe their entire history. (Sure, there was an element of Freo choking at the start but it only compounded the inequality.) As for 2017 – sure, Richmond had something special happening, and Adelaide had something more sinister happening out of sight, but the comparative performances of both teams on the G and the Adelaide Oval showed clear home ground bias. 2019 – the home ground advantage certainly didn’t help the Giants but no excuses from me for this one – they were just out of their depth. 2016 – hard to argue the home ground advantage, considering how well the Dogs travelled, but fate definitely smiled on them in other ways that day. 2014-15 – despite, or maybe because of, the interstate teams forgetting to turn up, I’m sure the Hawks would have much preferred to play them than local G tenants (in general, I mean, not based on form of the time). So not every result proves the rule, but I would argue that interstate teams should be miffed that Gil extended the G mandate – I was okay with the original extension to 2040 or whatever it was but it should have stopped there. As for home ground advantage among Vic teams, I don’t think it’s as clear cut but it can’t be hurting Collingwood’s chances this year having the most practice on the hallowed turf. I doubt you’ll find many of my fellow Blues supporters knocking back a full-time G tenancy instead of our current Marvel universe (and that’s just from a team performance perspective, before considering spectator benefits). Nice try, but the article is problematic, as is the MCG GF ad infinitum.

2023-06-27T08:11:28+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


Admittedly their Audis might breakdown for the 17.7 km trip

2023-06-25T05:30:03+00:00

Bangkokpussey

Roar Rookie


Maybe a compromise by playing a GF at a neutral ground outside of Melbourne if the two grand finalists are non melbourne teams. EG: This year WA could be nominated as the ground if 2 non melbourne teams play off for the GF as neither WA teams will be in the GF this year, whereas there is PA Crows and Lions all with a chance. That would eliminate a last minute nomination. The main problem always is the drop in revenue for Australia's premium sports event. If the AFL hates anything, it's not extracting every dollar they can.

2023-06-25T02:15:46+00:00

ChrisH

Roar Rookie


The one thing you’ve overlooked though is it’s getting harder for interstate teams to win premierships at the MCG. Most of the data to support your argument is 17 to 33 years old. Since 2007, only 2 interstate teams have won flags at the MCG from 10 attempts. And they were margins of only 10 points and 5 points. Whereas the losses have included 119, 63, 46, 48, 89 and 81. In the previous 17 grand finals 1990 - 2006), interstate teams won 10 of 16 (1991 was played at Waverley) So, it’s clearly become harder for interstate teams in the last decade and a half to to come to the MCG and win the flag.

2023-06-24T05:23:28+00:00

Curmudgeon1961

Roar Rookie


I would love to see a few more grounds shaped like Alphabet Stadium in Geelong. But then again I grew up with Australian Rules not the AFL

2023-06-24T05:19:45+00:00

Curmudgeon1961

Roar Rookie


Yep great if you are lucky to go (or on a corporate junket or an MCG member) . Most of us watch it.......on TV. Re advantage at the MCG for Melbourne sides dear oh dear we're talking about this? And only one mention of prelims? There is a big Melbourne based club who thinks Docklands is a trip

2023-06-24T00:34:56+00:00

Mr Right

Roar Rookie


Are you okay for Australia's 2nd largest sporting event being played at the Gabba in front of a 40K crowd rather than 100K at the MCG?

2023-06-24T00:31:50+00:00

Mr Right

Roar Rookie


It is way too impractical to have the GF played at the home ground of the team that finishes highest on the ladder. Unless there are four Victorian teams playing in the preliminary finals, we won’t know where the game is going to be played until 7 days before the huge event. GF packages will become obsolete & catering, transport, accommodation will become a logistically nightmare. The Superbowl location is designated before the start of the NFL season. Keep in perspective that the AFL Grand Final is the 2nd biggest sporting event in Australia behind the Melbourne Cup. So, crowd capacity must reflect the status of this event. I am not satisfied that Accor Stadium in Sydney is the right shape arena for our game. So that leaves only 1 stadium in Australia that has seating capacity of over 60,000. I live in Sydney & I can definitely see the attraction for a non-Victorian city hosting this huge event, the big event is coming to town! But we are going to have to settle for a 2nd rate crowd size to accommodate it. I am happy to have the game played outside of Melbourne, but under 2 provisions. The location must be stipulated at the start of the season & the stadium must be able to accommodate a crowd of >80K.

2023-06-23T17:40:16+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


All I know is Port will try and win every game they play,how long that lasts I have no idea

2023-06-23T13:16:00+00:00

Bangkokpussey

Roar Rookie


You lost me when you said Geelong was a tenant team. Being forced to play games at a venue other than their home ground does not make them a co tenant.

2023-06-22T06:44:03+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


Guy Fawkes tends to be fat and inflammatory even though he's stuffed with straw.

2023-06-22T06:28:22+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


Lmfao. Nahh not at all I mean Port Adelaide's played there 54 times in what 26 years, no advantageto a victorian team what so ever, so if thats the case it shouldn't be any different to teams travelling interstate from Victoria would be even Stevens wouldn't it. :laughing:

2023-06-22T04:20:06+00:00

Boo

Roar Rookie


Wish I was a straw man rather than a fat man .I like Port as a team and think this could be there year .

2023-06-22T03:59:26+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


Let's review an updated list in 2057.

2023-06-22T03:13:05+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


Yeah imagine. The locals wouldn't know it was on.

2023-06-22T03:12:29+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


:sick:

2023-06-22T02:36:10+00:00

Russell Fewster

Roar Rookie


As a friend noted shows the immaturity of the nation that the GF is played in one town only.

2023-06-22T02:33:21+00:00

Russell Fewster

Roar Rookie


Ultimately every team is made up at their birth including yours. Strawman argument.

2023-06-21T23:57:37+00:00

AJ73

Roar Rookie


Nice article, but HG advantage does come into play when you consider the number of games one team plays at the ground compared to their opposition. Think about Adel & PA even when low on the ladder defeat teams at Adelaide Oval. They know the wind conditions better, meaning how to kick a goal from a certain pocket, etc. The same goes at GMHBA stadium, even Marvel and Optus. SCG has seen many good team come a cropper as well. Also it is a bit disingenuous to claim the Cats as a tenant of the MCG when they play only 2 home games at the G. Stats can be manipulated any way you like to make a point. 8 times in the history of the AFL, the higher ranked interstate team has played the lower ranked Victorian team at the MCG (except 1991). 1991 - 1. WCE v 2 Haw (Waverley) 1996 - 1. Syd v 2 NM 2004 - (2 Non-Vic teams) 1 PA v 2 Bris 2005 - (2 Non-Vic teams) 3 Syd v 2 WCE 2006 - (2 Non-Vic teams) 1 WCE v 4 Syd 2012 - 3 Syd v 1 Haw 2014 - 2 Haw v 1 Syd 2015 - 3 Haw v 2 WCE 2016 - 7 WB v 1 Syd 2017 - 3 Rich v 1 Adel Do some of these results change? For example in 2017 Adel beat Richmond comfortably at the Adelaide Oval, though Richmond defeated PA there.

2023-06-21T23:49:44+00:00

The Iron Dingo

Roar Rookie


To answer the question in the headline: yes. Any other interpretation is ludicrous. Good job on the article but if you're going to spend that long analysing and writing something it's probably worth considering a subject on which there's at least a scintilla of uncertainty. Only a Victorian could possibly doubt the advantages the Melbourne clubs have.

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