'Burned him inside': How heavyweights will handle Sydney showdown, with the main bout yet to come

By Jim Tucker / Expert

Eddie Jones and Michael Cheika dance the friends-and-foes tango like few others in rugby when it comes to their classic coaching rivalry.

They’ll aim dueling pistols at each other across the halfway line at Sydney’s CommBank Stadium on Saturday night and share a Randwick club harbour cruise together the next day.

They are fiercely individual but even better when pitted against each other in a big Test match. Whichever way you cut it, either Jones’ Wallabies or Cheika’s Argentinians are going to be 0-2 and with a serious flat tyre to start the World Cup build-up by full-time on Saturday.

Outside the players, they are theatre in the own right because they care. You see it in how obviously they both hate to lose.

And that doesn’t just mean the obvious result at the end of a Test.

Jones is almost crazy on diligence. He’d booked Coogee Oval to train on in Sydney way ahead of time for England’s 2016 tour of Australia. Cheika is not so good on that nuts and bolts organising. No booking, no training on the ground where he grew up.

Eddie Jones and Michael Cheika in 2018. (Photo by Steve Bardens – RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

There you had the Wallabies coach of that time gnashing his teeth that the English coach was getting to train on his Randwick club ground.

It probably didn’t help that before the first Test of that series, Jones was given newspaper space to pick the best Wallabies team for Cheika.

The Poms won the series 3-0 and Jones blitzed Cheika in straight sets, 6-0, 6-1, 6-1, in the public forum. You almost sensed Cheika saw Jones as Yoda in those early days.

Cheika wins most arguments in any room he walks into. He’s a persuasive, luminous character with excellent language skills.

No one could win him an argument on “Cheika v Eddie” for years because it was a landslide 0-7 in Tests when their Wallabies v England period was on. It would have burned him inside.

Cheika got one back as Pumas coach when he edged England 30-29 at Twickenham last November, a result which certainly didn’t slow the RFU’s decision to axe Jones.

Cheika’s Argentinians have beaten the All Blacks more recently than have the Wallabies. He’s building gravitas as a world coach too.

Randwick club coach Stephen Hoiles, the former Wallaby, knows both figures well.

“I’ve always found Eddie and ‘Cheik’ very similar in terms of being really good players in excellent club teams at Randwick. Both had ambitions to play at the higher level beyond NSW and for various reasons didn’t,” Hoiles said. “I believe that drove them to success as coaches.

“Cheik almost followed Eddie as the glue at Randwick. At the famous touch games (played at Latham Park), Eddie would commentate in games, throw out the banter and be giving nicknames left and right.

“Cheik did the same style of thing. They are friends, they are both great for their old club and have enormous respect for each other.

“Cheik had only just landed in Sydney this week from Argentina and he was at Randwick speaking to the whole club and then first grade separately. Eddie goes out of his way for his club as well.

“Neither makes it about themselves when their teams are playing against each other. For sure, I can tell you another thing they have in common … neither likes losing.”

You can pitch any sort of theory about what style a team is going to play at a World Cup but every equation worships one word “momentum.”

Have it, like Cheika’s Wallabies did at the 2015 World Cup and you can conquer almost anything. Passes stick, moves with slick interplay come off and journeymen like Ben McCalman play Superman for a miracle minute with two tackles in one play to beat Wales in a pool game.

No dictionary meaning of the word “momentum” includes mention of going 0-5 leading into a World Cup. Not to put too fine a point on it but the Wallabies must nail the Pumas on Saturday night to taste an Eddie-style victory, see his ideas pay dividends, find confidence and get the positive spin-offs that only victory feeds.

Going into a two-Test Bledisloe Cup joust against the All Blacks with none of that in the tank is fingers-crossed stuff.

Both Jones and Cheika seem destined to define whatever World Cups they are involved in together.
It happened in 2019 when Jones’ England trounced the Wallabies in the quarter-finals and ended the Cheika reign.

Whether it’s science or the tea leaves that you favour as your personal guide in 2023, they again seem destined to collide in France later this year.

A potential Australia-Argentina quarterfinal in Marseille in mid-October is on the cards.

Whatever happens on Saturday night, it may just be the curtain-raiser to an even bigger Jones v Cheika bout in October.

The Crowd Says:

2023-07-15T05:53:46+00:00

RD

Roar Rookie


If the WBs don’t get the “W” I am afraid some of those on the fringes of selections or under-performers can say bye to their WC chances and end of careers. EJ has to get win or else the Melbourne Bledisloe will be a disaster from a fan engagement perspective.

2023-07-15T05:49:46+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Scary!

2023-07-15T05:01:24+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


So it’s Randwick vs Randwick.

2023-07-15T04:09:09+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


Or they become Australia A, and Australia A become Australia B.

2023-07-15T03:55:53+00:00

Worlds Biggest

Roar Pro


I think that 2016 series really messed with Cheika’s head. Coming off a very good 2015 campaign we were underdone and outplayed. The rot seemed to set in for Cheika and the Wallabies as we endured 4 years of dross with the odd good performance. Cheika seems to have regained some of his mojo with the Argies as he is change management / short term coach in my view. Tonight could be anything and both teams will be desperate for a win.

2023-07-15T03:49:10+00:00

Peter Ian Staker

Roar Rookie


Good post and exactly how I feel about World Cup. In the age of yellow and red cards for accidents who knows what will happen. One bit of bad luck / bad ref call and your out. Wallabies could make final or could get bundled out in pool. No idea what will happen.

2023-07-15T02:48:08+00:00

Tooly

Roar Rookie


Two of the biggest BS artists in Rugby . A sport not renowned for BS artists , one where we have no competition . Both love attention and both think that they a comedians . Eddie is clearly in front especially if you watch some of his efforts this year ! . Eddie works on BS and brain farts . If the brain farts fail the BS falls flat and his teams perform like the Reds did . He then can’t find answers . Eddie is a long term stubborn planner , often with the wrong plan at the wrong club . . Chekko is the master BS artist . He can BS in 7 languages all at same time . Like a fly blown wether he is always on the prod , because of this Ckekko is only good short term . If you want a short term lift he’s the man . I think that Argentina will perform better than us in the WC .

2023-07-15T01:45:33+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


My gut feeling has gone absent. We've got a better team than last week, we're at home, we desperately need the win, and even more desperately need to show some competitive form, and we're playing the Argies. Should be a laydown .... ... but then again we've Eddie and his cockamamie kicking game, and they've got Cheika with his intimate knowledge of virtually all the Wallaby players and a team with equal desperation for a win. Could be a cracker. Could be a mess. Could be a disaster. Who knows? All I can say is go the Wallabies!

2023-07-14T23:30:14+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


:laughing:

2023-07-14T23:29:14+00:00

Mirt

Roar Rookie


If you live in the past then that is correct. If you live in the last year Cheika is 1-0 up. As Jim mentions, tea leaves are about as accurate as past results in picking this one. Let’s just hope the worm doesn’t completely turn after last years blip.

2023-07-14T23:27:04+00:00

Phil

Roar Rookie


:laughing:

2023-07-14T23:24:27+00:00

Mirt

Roar Rookie


A lot of old backs have that tight head build these days

2023-07-14T22:57:25+00:00

Phil

Roar Rookie


I forgot Rennie was a back! He looks like a forward.

2023-07-14T22:31:41+00:00

Old One Eye

Roar Rookie


Dave Rennie? Robbie Deans?

2023-07-14T22:26:37+00:00

Phil

Roar Rookie


They are alike in many many ways. I’d love us to have a back head coach for a change next time.

2023-07-14T22:07:56+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


I’d imagine Cheika will be more relaxed this time around and feel less insecure, now that he has experience under his belt. Considering the history of the respective teams and the drama of the Rennie/Eddie coach swap, Eddie and his men are most certainly under the most pressure. You would have to have been dead for a month to miss it.

2023-07-14T21:54:16+00:00

Bobby

Roar Rookie


Huge match for the Wallaby players and coach alike. A win will be a positive influence before the week off and the ABs in a couple of weeks. Our forwards NEED to dominate to give the "pretty" boys front foot ball. All eyes on Fraser in a direct comparison to M Hooper, the week before. What will be Eddie's instruction to White this week ? Wallabies by 15 !

2023-07-14T21:05:51+00:00

Peter Ian Staker

Roar Rookie


This really is must win for Australia. If they lose tonight, lose 2 v ABs and lose French warm up game that would be - as Jim points out - 0-5 for Eddie's second term as Wallaby coach. After sacking Dave Rennie for 38% win ratio after almost beating France & Ireland away with injury depleted teams that would leave Rugby Australia in very awkward position. Australia simply must win tonight.

2023-07-14T20:57:23+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Tasty!

2023-07-14T20:55:22+00:00

Rocky's Rules

Roar Rookie


@Jim Don't know why you're still trying to talk up this non rivalry. Eddie has so completely smashed Cheika in the coaching game it's now a non event. The game result today will make no difference to that :laughing:

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