The Panel: the good, the bad and the 'we'd rather not talk about it, thanks...'

By Brett McKay / Expert

The Rugby Championship looks New Zealand’s to lose from here, as the abbreviated tournament wraps up this weekend at the Melbourne Cricket Ground and Ellis Park in Johannesburg.

And from all of our teams – and some more than others, obviously – there’s been some great rugby, some not so great rugby, and some rugby that we’re really trying to erase from our memories, lest it occupy space best reserved for useless information like RWC jersey history.

But it all warrants discussing, no matter which of these categories it falls into.

And, not to put too fine a point on it, there’s not much time left to resolve issues and/or apply a bit more polish to what is working.

In hindsight, could we maybe go back in time and shorten the domestic seasons instead? Another couple of warm-up matches slotted into the next few weeks could come in very handy.

Question 1: What has been the one standout element of your team so far in 2023?

Digger

New Zealand has made a very promising start to the season and there are several stand out points one could highlight but for mine the most pleasing has been the set piece.

Outside of one or two scrums against the Springboks it has been more than solid and the lineout has particularly looked well oiled, on and off ball.

A team will not get far in a World Cup without a quality set piece and the All Blacks look well-tuned in this area and a clear stand out.

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Geoff

Normally “standout” implies something positive, but with the Wallabies dropping both matches there are slim pickings on that front.

What stands out is just how unready the Wallabies are; their tactics a bit of this and a bit of that, defensively disconnected, discipline as poor as it ever was, and players from 1-15 yet to lock down starting roles.

Those elements will improve, as they must, and it needs to start with gaining parity in the possession count.

What stands out for the All Blacks is the complete opposite.

There is clarity around the game plan, and discipline in its execution. Players seem comfortable in their roles, demonstrably playing for the team.

Perhaps the speed with which the All Blacks got to that point from the jumble they were through much of last year, represents a beacon of hope for the Wallabies.

Harry

The Springbok scrum looks as solid as ever, and has for all 160 minutes.

Despite not overwhelming a stout All Black pack, there were three clearly dominant pushes. In Pretoria, the tale was even clearer.

Bok rugby thrives off the set piece but the scrum in particular is a real boost to the psyche. In knockout matches, a scrum yielding easy exits and cheap entries is green and golden.

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Nobes

Improvements and character.

Los Pumas have shown an improvement since the first match against the All Blacks, especially in the set piece where the scrum and line look more solid despite some weighty absences.

Against the Wallabies, the incorporation of the experienced Gomez Codella in the front row meant that Los Pumas, despite experimenting with Juan Martin Gonzales at No.8, had a better scrum. On the other hand, Gonzalez himself did an outstanding job stealing several balls and obtaining his own from the touchline launches.

To highlight, the team gave a sample of character in the face of the adversity of the result and was able to compete until the last minute with victory in mind.

That’s something I want to highlight, because it is not easy to respond positively when points are scored and you go on to lose the game when there are a few minutes left for the final siren. Something that the team had already shown against Scotland in Santiago del Estero last year, but this time playing at home which is quite different.

Brett

Yeah, I’ve made the question hard for myself again, haven’t I.

With so many elements of the Wallabies misfiring currently – and they don’t need to be rehashed here again – the standout has probably something like the ability of a few individuals to look very good in a very well-beaten side at Loftus, and a still-beaten side in Parramatta.

So, it would be the way Nick Frost combined so well with a couple of international Australian locks he’s not played a whole lot with, in Pretoria. The way Marika Koroibete has looked like he’s just been playing and training with everyone on the Wallabies squad for the last six or eight months, despite the fact he’s not been playing and training with any of them.

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I’m not sure I’d have started Carter Gordon in the first Bledisloe Test of the year, but he has certainly done enough to earn a start before the Rugby World Cup. He’s done everything asked of him over the first two games so a start this weekend wouldn’t be completely undeserved, just a touch risky. But maybe that’s good?

And it’s definitely the way Mark Nawaqanitawase came in on the right wing and just killed all debate around the position in one game (and for some, in one 95-metre run). His performance vaulted him to the head of the queue and knocked others well out of contention.

Question 2: Which aspect do they desperately need to work on over the remaining few weeks of the southern season?

Digger

At the risk of harping on about it, I still do not believe New Zealand has got their bench right in terms of personnel, or tactically for that matter.

I would prefer to see some changes in terms of the replacement props, loose forward and utility back, and I am no fan of the tactic of putting up contestable ball within your own half.

Yes, it worked a treat against South Africa but I am hopeful to see less of it as the season wears on.

Some of the opposition to come are more than capable of taking advantage of gifted territory and a more conservative approach would, I think, serve them better.

Geoff

The Wallabies clear work-on is around selection. Eddie Jones said it himself last weekend; he has to determine who his best players are.

With The Rugby Championship gone, and the Bledisloe Cup looking like a massive stretch at this stage, Jones continuing to ring selection changes is all about him striving to figure out who can do a job for Australia in France.

The All Blacks will feel they can do better defensively.

Run down a couple of times last year, there has been no capitulation this time around, yet there was still some sense of fragility in both opening matches with tries too easily conceded in the second half.

That’s partly something for the bench players to address, but it also speaks to the need for the team to be more ruthless and not loosen up at any stage.

Harry

The first minutes of both Tests so far were horrible.

The Boks will want to put their boots on the necks of the Pumas and not let them up.

This will be crucial in the pool match versus Ireland; practice starts now.

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Nobes

At this point we all know that it is almost impossible to win without a good set piece.

The Pumas have improved the scrum and lineouts but they must continue to improve that aspect much more.

A fundamental point is the maul that Los Pumas could not handle both in attack and defence in the light of what was exposed in the first two games. This is something Los Pumas will be tested against the mighty Springboks who excel in that regard.

Beyond the result of the match, the players and coaches will know how far from the ideal and which are the situations to put more emphasis on in training.

This is no longer the first match of the Championship, but the third where the improvements must begin to be noticed since the World Cup is already a few days away and with little time to correct the weaknesses.

It is very good that Los Pumas face the physical rigour of the South African players, so that they adapt to the level they should have to be competitive in the World Cup.

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Brett

Defence and discipline have been big-ticket discussions in the last week or so, and I had a crack at it myself on Tuesday – and thanks to all of you for carrying the discussion on Tuesday in my absence.

But I don’t want to leave the kick-chase out of this equation, either.

We’ve all watched and played enough rugby to know that a really good kick-chase can be the difference between an easy turnover and a chance to regain possession upfield via the contest, and unfortunately it’s long been a deficiency of the Wallabies.

I expect Australia will kick a lot more against New Zealand than they did against Argentina, but they will have to chase kicks better that they have all TRC, or they might as well just place the ball on the ground from where they were going to kick and let the All Blacks attack from there.

It just has to be a non-negotiable this weekend and next. If there’s one team the Wallabies simply cannot afford a poor kick-chase against, it’s New Zealand.

And more’s the point, they know this.

OVER TO YOU:

What has been the standout element of your team in The Rugby Championship so far??

And what do they desperately need to work on this weekend and next?


The Crowd Says:

2023-07-27T12:55:43+00:00

West Aussie Exile

Roar Rookie


Enjoy all Roar podcasts but Sumo from NZ was excellent -his comments re Eddie Jones were spot on. I want Eddie to do well and I hope there is a plan there somewhere but less talking, Eddie - more thoughtful selection, coaching and tactics. What I really want to see this weekend is the simple things done well -kicking for territory, effective kick and chase, better restarts, straight line out throwing, sensible defence, good goal kicking, every player performing their core role - if that happens, I'll be happy and let the score take care of itself

2023-07-27T09:32:01+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


You just don't get that sort of wit from our other main commentators.

AUTHOR

2023-07-27T09:27:05+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


We played his clip from the NPC last season, "oh Mamma!! Just killed a man!" I can still hear the rest of the commentary box laughing... :laughing:

2023-07-27T09:15:38+00:00

Carlin

Roar Rookie


For the All Blacks, the standout has been the continual improvement of Ethan De Groot and Tyrel Lomax. This time last year they were not even considered to be in the 23 and De Groot was on the outer for a bit. Both have now cemented their spots and they are getting better both at scrum time and around the paddock. The improvement is on the bench and also who is on the bench. One example is Nepo Laulala. Yes he is a strong scrummager but his lack of mobility and ball skill undoes some of the good work the starting props do. Damian McKenzie is a must as he can take advantage of tired defences in 2nd half. And I want Samisoni Taukehiaho to start but hes a good man to come on and bring extra go forward.

2023-07-27T09:14:38+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Yes , a missed tackle and dropping a highball enough for em to load their guns ....forgetting of course his numerous try assists ...

2023-07-27T08:41:11+00:00

Rogue Estate

Roar Rookie


For AB's the starts and storm weathering has been great. For the Ozies, Nawaqanitawase - no doubt about him so far. For Bok's - they will always be hard & aggressive with big men. Issues - AB's are vulnerable when they make a few changes in the second half all at once - takes a little to gel or remember to chase the kicks - a little reserved at that moment in the game. For the Ozies - just need to stick to some combo's. For Boks - don't panic but adapt better during game time. For Puma's, the backs need to run less direct towards opposition players I feel, could be wrong but just a niggle I have that their backs make tackling for opposition a formality positionally.

2023-07-27T08:38:35+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


I really miss Sumo on the live Super Rugby commentary. Used to come up with brilliantly witty phrases during the game e.g. "Naholo just turned Kolbe into Swiss cheese!" :laughing:

AUTHOR

2023-07-27T08:12:36+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Cheers JD, I think Sumo surprised himself how much of a roll he got on!! :laughing: Great to have him back, one of our faves, which I concede we say a lot..

2023-07-27T07:31:19+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


Hi Brett, just wanted to say how much I’m enjoying the pod. Sumo didn’t hold back on speaking the truth about Eddie! Also Harry serving it to the French clubs for pressurising their Pasifika players to skip the World Cup and sweeping under the carpet their president’s scandal. Lots of people want France to win the chocolate, I’m in the anyone but France camp.

2023-07-27T07:09:29+00:00

Ankle-tapped Waterboy

Roar Rookie


Mate!

2023-07-27T05:18:28+00:00

Sage

Roar Rookie


Not going to say I agree with you but I did notice, when asked "What has been the one standout element of your team so far in 2023?" Geoff started straight in with Wallabies woes followed with the usual AB giddiness and a similar response to question 2. It does seem a bit weird in the circumstances when they aren't your team. Add in the previous "12 reasons you'll fail" article along with a lot of other previous writing I hadn't read too much into at the time, and well, not sure what to think now

2023-07-27T03:49:21+00:00

robbo999

Roar Rookie


On what has been good about the Wallabies this year I plump for two things: Carter Gordon and Mark Nawaqanitawase. Two young men who not only have talent in spades but the courage to use it. Lets hope it does not get beaten out of them. Add in more additional young talent like Frost, plus Tupou, Bell and others lurking below and it all gives hope for the future. What needs fixing? Everything. But kick/chase stands out. This needs to start at SS level and below because it seems to be something that has spread like a cancer through all levels of Australian rugby. Next the ruck. When did Australian rugby players forget that the ruck ain't over till the fat lady sings, or least the ball is cleared. Did I mention exits? And lastly for the coach and players alike. Just shut up except to say "we're just taking it one game at a time". Every time you prod the bear you end up looking stupid. JUST SHUT UP!

2023-07-27T03:27:30+00:00

Lebowski

Roar Rookie


The stand out for me is Eddie's start with the wallabies Vs his start with England. He dropped Chris Robshaw as captain sending a message to those responsible for the humiliating 2015 world cup group exit. Let everyone know their position is up for competition. Galvanised the team and won 18 in a row. Compare that to choosing Vunivalu, the two captains chosen are the same ones responsible for the team during the 38% win rate who are now struggling for form, and choosing a startegy that absolutely no SR team employs. There didn't seem to be much experimentation needed for England. The Wallabies look lost. What do they need? Every forward needs to channel Scott Fardy 2015 at the world cup. We have backs that can score but not while moonwalking.

2023-07-27T03:04:45+00:00

moaman

Roar Guru


Last year Jacko, that would have started its own conspiracy theory.

2023-07-27T02:49:51+00:00

Wig

Roar Rookie


Yep ken spit it out how it is people like that. 9 out of 10 likes in general must say something. Talking of 9 and 10 they should be fired no wonder we're in a pickle. The eoyt squad minus white now that was a team you could of turned into champions. Thanks ken

2023-07-27T02:37:02+00:00

Decoy

Roar Rookie


The standout for me about the ABs is that we've regained our traditional strength in playing at pace and variation on the back of forward dominance. That all went awol last year. But, with that, we're now also facing our traditional frailty - that the forwards will get swept up in the fast and flashy stuff, and fancy themselves as wingers, flash boots and hairstyles and all. The work-on is this; Jase now, more than ever, has to grab them by the proverbial and continue the focus on forward graft, tightly woven, and riveted with discipline. The rest will take care of itself.

2023-07-27T02:14:58+00:00

Nobrain

Roar Guru


Argentina bes finished ever was 3 rd in France

2023-07-27T02:13:18+00:00

Nobrain

Roar Guru


Los Pumas dominated the game and besides an interception in the last minute of a game in not a game plan imo. A win for the Wallabies would not have been what happened on the field. I do not think the Wallabies improved much from the game to Pretoria while Los Pumas showed improvement in many areas.

2023-07-27T01:42:32+00:00

Jonty Shonty

Roar Pro


Unfortunately social media has provided a platform for shoot from the hip idiots who love a barb instead of actually looking into something in any great depth (which they're probably incapable of).

2023-07-27T01:39:45+00:00

Jonty Shonty

Roar Pro


James my advice to you, if you want to engage with knowledgeable people and perhaps learn something in this community, is to change your tone and show some respect. Until then you'll probably find no one can be f*'ed with you (you can take this into real life too). Toodle pip.

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