'Sums up his career': Waugh reveals how Hoops reacted to RWC snub, and the Quade hope that didn't transpire

By Tony Harper / Editor

Former skipper Michael Hooper is determined to be ready if needed for the World Cup despite his selection snub by Eddie Jones.

Jones opted to leave the 125-cap veteran from his eye-catching 33-man squad last week. Hooper has been battling a calf injury but Jones acknowledged he might have been fit enough to play in the warm up match ahead of the World Cup in 11 days time.

New Zealand and South Africa are among the teams to pick injured stars on the thinking they would be ready later in the seven week tournament.

While Hooper did not feature in an Australia A team named on Tuesday, he has not given up the ghost on appearing at the tournament, according to Rugby Australia CEO Phil Waugh.

“I’ve spoken to Michael. He’s pretty pragmatic and positive about the fact that he’ll keep training hard and if he gets the opportunity somewhere along the line that someone gets injured he’ll be ready to go, and that pretty much sums up his career in my view – just that positivity he’s gone into everything with,” Waugh told The Roar Rugby Podcast.

“[He’s] been phenomenal service to the game – 125 Tests and just won his eighth Matt Burke Cup with the Waratahs. It’s just this massive, massive career but equally he’s suffering that calf strain which is as you get older those injuries just take a little bit longer than they should.”

Hooper is out of contract at the end of the year and the drums are beating on a potential deal to have him play at the Paris Olympics next year.

“He’s got some real serious consideration around whether he wants to go to Paris with the Olympic team and the sevens and if you think about the athlete that he is, he could transition probably a lot easier than a lot of others could.

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“With a player and athlete and ambassador like Hoops it’s really important for us to support his ambition and his transition.

“He epitomises the way that Australians should go about sport in terms of that never say die attitude and keep fighting for as long as you can. And that’s what he does. We’re very open to supporting him in whatever he chooses in the transition period.”

While Hooper looks like he hasn’t given up on the gold jersey, it’s still unsure what the future holds for Quade Cooper, who was surprisingly left out of the Cup.

“Eddie thinks a lot about the game and is incredibly loyal. And so I think the first couple of Tests matches, he was very loyal to players who served the game really well,” said Waugh.

“When we didn’t get the results … Eddie [started] shaping the side for what he thinks can be most competitive in France.

“And there’s been quite a shift, when you think about the team that took the field in Pretoria to the side they will take the field in Paris.

“He’s gone with youth. He thought ‘ I feel like I can get a lot out of this group in a short period of time. But also, I can look forward to the Lions and I can look forward to a Home World Cup in 2027’, similar to what potentially the French did going into the 2019 World Cup teeing themselves up for 2023.

“So I think he’s sort of had a reset moment. He genuinely believes we can win the World Cup this year as well. Maybe some people think that’s really optimistic. But the way World Cups work out, once you get a bit of momentum, you get some combinations occurring, then anything can happen. I think it’s an exciting time for Australian Rugby.”

Waugh acknowleged the squad was not what he expected.

“We stay well and truly out of selection, which is a good thing. But I think everyone sort of saw some omissions, some selections, and thought ‘that looks a little bit different’.

“But he’s been around coaching at this level for a long, long time. And he knows what it takes to perform on the big stage. So you’ve got to back the man who’s in charge of your team, and away he goes.”

Podcast host Harry Jones questioned the decision to cut Cooper, saying many teams including the Springboks, would have selected him for the World Cup.

Quade Cooper (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

“Quade burst onto the scene – I played his first Test in 2008 against Italy. He scored the winning try with
a bit of individual brilliance,” said Waugh.

“We’re in 2023 now – it’s a long journey and a wonderful career. And I think that people underestimate what it takes to come back from an Achilles rupture back into global scene and he’s only been back for maybe two months, and the game is only getting faster and more combative.

“I think that we all expected him to rebound like he was back in 2021 when he played so well in the Rugby Championship to bounce straight back into it. I think he’s done wonderfully well just to get back out onto the field playing in that arena.

“[Bernard] Foleys another one who has been quite unfortunate.

‘”If you think about Quade and Foley and their experience and then you go with Carter Gordon who has been great combining well with Tate McDermott and then Ben Donaldson…

“I don’t think any of us have seen a lot of Ben Donaldson yet but we’re not at training every day and they’re clearly seeing something in their training every day that says actually if we do lose Carter, we’re very confident that Ben can step up on the big stage.

“In 2015 not many people were talking about Bernard Foley and he came through and pretty much took the team almost to beat the All Blacks in that World Cup final. Sometimes as administrators or rugby lovers we sit back and actually just judge a player on what I’ve seen on the playing field. These guys are training in an intense environment, day in day out and coaches are watching them and they’re seeing stuff that we just don’t get the opportunity to see.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-08-16T11:56:48+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Yes, I was only speaking of making a 23/33. Not starting 10 necessarily.

2023-08-16T05:13:07+00:00

Jez North

Roar Rookie


Nongorr’s season at the Reds has hardly been all that impressive imo. Set piece aside, his ball handling has bordered on atrocious in some games with consecutive fumbles reversing precious momentum in those matches. I’m astounded that he is in this World Cup squad tbh

2023-08-16T05:01:31+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


I disagree .Obviously not over Pollard but a solid chance over Libbock who is still short of international experience ...Rassie and co seem to value experience more than any other coaches out there.

2023-08-16T02:01:33+00:00

Capt Sensible

Roar Rookie


Adam was referring to the A squad. Agreed.

2023-08-16T02:00:34+00:00

Capt Sensible

Roar Rookie


The old turnstile quote (yawn). QC defence has been as good as any in the backline, if not better. I would imagine a steaming Will Jordan coming at you inside your 22 is intimidating. QC dropped him with a bootlace tackle. No mention?

2023-08-16T01:28:37+00:00

Kai Levuka

Roar Rookie


Is Mike Brearley available?

2023-08-16T00:57:38+00:00

Todd

Roar Rookie


All fair points that I’ll take on board. In my view though, I feel experienced players are supposed to provide stability/ reliability in clutch moments of the game. My point is, as I stated above, this was a “big moment” when the game is on the line, so in this aspect I think he failed. I’ll also add, I’m not actually blaming him myself for losing the game (although I do believe his error played a part), I am speculating as to why EJ thought it best to drop him from the world cup squad. I just don’t think dropping a ball in a big moment with game on the line didn’t help his chances of being selected, and in my opinion probably actively worked against him.

2023-08-16T00:43:48+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Yea, that’s fact. But he isn’t responsible for the scrum being underpowered. Nor was he responsible for the score being what it was. While the Aussies were dominant most of the first 60mins, they failed to score after the 7th minute. That’s also factually accurate. Yes, he contributed to the loss, but he is not solely responsible for the loss, and his contribution to the total result is not as relevant as many other players who are largely being left alone. His dropped ball makes a bad highlight and is quite visible for those looking at things in simple terms. But it is hardly the cause for the loss.

2023-08-15T23:57:07+00:00

Todd

Roar Rookie


He handed over possession via an error leading to an under powered scrum and then penalty. I think this a factual statement

2023-08-15T22:50:15+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


So he dropped a ball, and ABs kicked the goal from the penalty from a dropped ball? I thought they got a scrum from it? And people don’t say you have one or two big moments to win a game, they say it takes 80+ mins to win a game. Don’t they?

2023-08-15T21:51:49+00:00

Nobody

Roar Rookie


QC wasn’t given chances to show what he’s got.

2023-08-15T20:53:23+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


From your opposition ..Thank goodness Hooper and Cooper are gone ..

2023-08-15T19:37:40+00:00

West Aussie Exile

Roar Rookie


I agree, Ken -that Waugh did not impress with responses re Eddie's selections -omission of quade, inclusion of donaldson, 1 fly half etc - but let's face it, Eddie has created such a stupid mess, CEO or not, he'd be doing well to justify that chaos. Overall, though, I thought he was sincere, he answered the questions asked and he understands the importance of both ends of the game - the professional (Wallabies) and the amateur (club/community). He didn't have any innovative 'third tier' solutions but think about all the informed rugby people posting on the Roar and whenever 3rd tier discussed, there is never consensus. I think Waugh deserves a chance as he's only been in the role for 5 weeks and he's aware of the key issues, at least - let's see if he can deliver some impact

2023-08-15T19:31:10+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


Was whitelock was it? Wouldn’t have expected that. The one where he’s fallen down, then stuck his leg up to trip Mitchell?

2023-08-15T19:18:34+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Facts, facts, and more facts TWAS, you know perception beats reality everyday. Quade is perceived to have a more poor defence, therefore he does, regardless of the stats or reality…

2023-08-15T16:47:06+00:00

KTinHK

Roar Pro


The implication of your original post was to criticise me for continuing the argument when Harry had already expressed his view. Now you’re doing the same. So let’s move on.

2023-08-15T15:19:15+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


No. I find one report more credible and balanced, and one just a bit of flaky innuendo from an unnamed source. Carter Gordon is quoted saying positive things about a person, painted here by many in the cheap seats, as surplus to requirements, and a ‘furious ‘ toy chucker. Slanders springing from Christy’s unnamed ‘believer’ source, and uncorrected by Christy although he’s here reading the comments.

2023-08-15T15:08:22+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


The ABCs fail to answer this question every time it is asked Harry. Who is bringing to this squad what Quade brings? Invariably it’s a leap into the dark with an unproven rookie. Or Bernard. Thanks for venturing on here with your thoughts.

2023-08-15T15:04:24+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


I accept your view, and note that you have attempted to counterpoint Harry here with red herrings that do not address the points he has made. You don’t seem to be interested in comprehension or genuine dialogue with Harry. I can accept that some people don’t rate Quade. You seem to struggle with the fact that a learned SA commentator does rate him. (And Dan Carter has a similar view).

2023-08-15T14:09:00+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Odd. You believe one journalist over another? Confirmation bias maybe?

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