The uncomfortable truth: Whether under Rennie or Jones, the Wallabies just aren't good enough

By W Evans / Roar Rookie

The historical revisionism and wishful thinking floating around this site now is tantamount to denial.

“Should never have got rid of Rennie”.

“Eddie is a clown”.

“This is what you get when you don’t take Cooper and Hooper to a Rugby World Cup.”

The uncomfortable truth, is that the Wallabies just aren’t good enough. They haven’t been for years.

David Campese, often maligned but usually right, observed that it was sad to see Australia “looking so short of basic rugby skills and IQ.”

Man for man, the Wallabies are more often than not beaten by their opposition.

Forget breakdown accuracy, forget intricate defensive patterns. It’s basic passing, running and tackling that is lacking all too regularly.

Not a single Wallaby would be picked in a World XV except for arguably a fully fit Taniela Tupou who is too often lacking conditioning or injured.

Was Quade Cooper even in the top five fly-halves in the World in 2021, let alone now? Very doubtful when players like Johnny Sexton, Finn Russell, Handre Pollard and Richie Mo’unga are running around.

To suggest that Cooper would have made all the difference today based on above-average performances in a Covid-interrupted 2021 is nonsense.

Quade Cooper of the Wallabies talks to team mates in a huddle after losing The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the Australia Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks at Melbourne Cricket Ground on July 29, 2023 in Melbourne, Australia. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Forget his Achilles injury for a moment, he had the benefit of a rampaging Samu Kerevi in 2021, a benefit he wouldn’t have now.

The crowd also seems to have forgotten that Cooper turned his back on the Autumn Internationals and Super Rugby all too often, missed the opportunity to solidify his position and went to Japan.

Would Michael Hooper have reversed the tide at the breakdown against Fiji?

No.

Has Michael Hooper been the best 7 in Australia for the majority of the past decade?

No.

Pocock was a better 7. Fraser McReight is a better 7. Players like Liam Gill probably were better 7s too.

His leadership ability has also been vastly overblown. He’s won nothing while captaining a team that has never been disciplined and often drew the wrath of officials as well as its own coaches.

Yes, that’s very harsh, but it seems nothing less will do.

The Wallabies bombed try after try against Georgia and got away with it. They did the same a week later against a plucky but limited Fiji and didn’t.

This isn’t new, the ill-discipline and brain explosions haven’t crept in since Hooper faded away and Cooper was dropped. They’ve been there for years.

Why?

Because our players think they are better than they are, have been living off the success of past generations for the good part of a decade and walk onto the field thinking all they need to do is show up.

Eddie Jones went all in on youth for this tournament because he didn’t want experienced losers.

Why take a bunch of old boys to a Rugby World Cup hoping you might win a quarter final when you can take the young blokes and hope for the same?

Admittedly, Eddie now finds himself on the precipice of being the first Wallaby coach to not make it out of the Pool stage.

But maybe that’s the shock Australian Rugby, its administrators, unions and players need to move forward.

‘Possibly winning a quarter final’ should not be a measure of success for Australian Rugby.

Which brings me to Dave Rennie.

Let’s be clear, it was morally wrong for Rennie to be discarded 75% of the way through a four-year cycle. Eddie should have and could have waited his turn.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

But the idea that Rennie’s Wallabies might have won this tournament or got past one, let alone two, knock out games is fanciful for many reasons.

Under Rennie, the Wallabies became the most penalised Tier 1 Nation in the world. During their final swing through Europe, Rennie’s Australia averaged 13.8 penalties per Test, according to stats provided by Oval.

That trend wasn’t decreasing by the way, it was getting worse.

Darcy Swain’s cheap shot, the ‘Raynal fiasco’, Folau Fainga’a’s card against Ireland. The list of stupid penalties costing tests is long but distinguished.

How many times in post-match conferences did Dave Rennie lament yellow cards, silly penalties and discipline?

Yet nothing changed. As Paul Cully of the Sydney Morning Herald said in November 2022, ‘Nice guy Rennie needs to get ruthless on Wallabies’ ill discipline’.

For three years, Rennie was also unable to settle on who he wanted to play the game with.

Yes, he had some awful luck with players like Kerevi and Hooper.

Yet, during his last games in charge he hadn’t settled on his best hooker, best fly half or best fullback. Selection under Rennie was not pretty.

There were also crazy in-game decisions. Rennie’s subbing of Bernard Foley 10 minutes from the end of the Test against France was silly. Sending Donaldson on for his debut with three minutes to go against Italy was worse.

Eddie Jones wasn’t sitting in the coach’s box those days. Hamish McLennan didn’t force Rennie to make those decisions.

Like say, Ewen McKenzie, Rennie was a good man, a good coach. Many of you maintain Eddie is neither.

But both are really just victims of Australian Rugby’s malaise.

Christy Doran wrote last month that “Rugby Australia is preparing to announce an agreement in principle to work together with the five Super Rugby franchises to become more aligned.”

Are they serious? It’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry. Wishy washy is too kind.

If we fail to make it out of our Pool, maybe, just maybe it will light a fire under Australian Rugby, the QRU and NSWRU which might lead to better pathways and progress towards better players.

It might even save a few good coaches.

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-24T06:36:27+00:00

Adsa

Roar Rookie


No he wasn't in RA management he was running Magellan and REA. Blame the Hamster for the current debacles but not punting the Force. Remember when he was Chairman in Covid year 2020 he bought the Force back into the fold and when the Kiwi's wanted to axe Oz teams he said No more, the Australian rugby package is 5 teams. As unlikeable as he is he has been a supporter for the Force, probably brown nosing to Twiggy cause that's were the $ is.

2023-09-23T20:55:41+00:00

robel

Roar Pro


Mclennan was not pn the board, true, but he was in senior management.

2023-09-22T06:59:30+00:00

Stu

Roar Rookie


^THIS.

2023-09-22T05:10:49+00:00

Mirt

Roar Rookie


So are Joneses newby youngsters now labelled as the latest bunch of losers and left out of the future teams as they’ve already learnt those losing ways. There’s still the under 20s for Jones to pick from. Or maybe you should realise that what W Evans says could be more the reason than Cheika or Rennie.

2023-09-22T00:03:29+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Well I see thst as " I can take some blokes we have a hope of getting to the semi with or I can take some children" :laughing: :laughing:

2023-09-21T16:38:21+00:00

Josh

Roar Rookie


Generally agree Adam, except for not having an NPC level half-back. Passing is a skillet that our half-backs don't have, also need to be competent at the box kick.

2023-09-21T16:33:25+00:00

Josh

Roar Rookie


Absolutely

2023-09-21T11:00:36+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


Agree no more Shore people at RA. They were hopeless at rugby anyway but know how to infiltrate the RA gravytrain. They get all the gravy.

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2023-09-21T09:59:38+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


I think that’s right unfortunately. Nucifora was hounded out by power brokers in Sydney and Brisbane for pointing out the blatantly obvious.

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2023-09-21T09:54:52+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


Thx Jono For mine, Hooper was never better than Pocock and arguably a lesser 7 than Liam Gill who saw the writing on the wall and left Aussie Rugby. When I think of World XV 7s during Hooper’s career I think of Burger, McCaw and Pocock (before that George Smith/ Juan Smith). Hooper for mine was never in that bracket. He was too wide too often and didn’t have enough presence over the ball.

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2023-09-21T09:47:13+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


I think history has shown that to make a final in a Rugby World Cup you need at least 4-5 World XV players. As I said in the article, I think Eddie said “I can take a bunch of old boys who have never been World xv candidates or I can take young blokes who might be in 3-4 years time.”

2023-09-21T08:48:15+00:00

Don

Roar Rookie


Cooper is better than Gordon, hands down. That should not even be debated. I haven't advocated for Hooper because we had someone playing better at 7. We didn't at 10. And in Cooper's 2 games starting he was hamstrung by the debacle of Eddie's plan to play everything off Nick White against SA, and a similar scenario against Argentina.

2023-09-21T08:43:58+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Hooray for W Evans. Maybe The Roar rugger buggers need to listen to another voice, since they're sick of me & I'm sick of them! Dealing with reality is elusive around here. I guess that's why this blog site exists, so folk can escape the reality of their weekly grind. Anyway, you said it W Evans, the Wallabies aren't good enough. Anyone who's been around for the 10 editions of the RWC (1987-2023) & compared the 10 Wallaby squads, would have figured very quickly that the 2023 edition is competing with the 2019 edition as the worst to send to a world cup. If they make the final 4, you can thank a very suspect & whacky draw. But they're making heavy work of even that! Things never change while you have the same like-minded folk running the show. For what it's worth, McLennan, Waugh & Pulver (the most despicable of the lot) all attended Shore. The problem with these GPS schools, is that many of its former students never get to live in the 'real world' among the rest of us. So naturally their idea of 'solutions' also belongs in the world of the silver spooned make believers.

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2023-09-21T08:06:03+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


Just to be clear. Are we saying Hooper is a better option than McReight at 7 and Cooper a better 10 than Gordon? Really don’t think it’s clear cut in 2023. Certainly, McReight was better throughout Super Rugby and Cooper really struggled to come back from his Achilles.

2023-09-21T07:58:55+00:00

Adsa

Roar Rookie


In the most recent games we lost a home series to England and only beat the Welsh with a last grasp try on the EOYT. I don't think Oz rugby players have become upskilled the last 4 years as evidenced by their Super rugby form. The system here is broken. Eddie is part of the problem not the cause.

2023-09-21T06:32:22+00:00

Khun Phil

Roar Rookie


Yes,Kai,with all the gnashing of teeth by Wallaby supporters after the loss,everyone seems to be ignoring this is a VERY good Fijian team and the result was not a huge upset.

2023-09-21T06:22:55+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


Exactly. And most would agree that EJ was a good pick moving to 2024 and beyond.

2023-09-21T06:18:31+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


I think we definitely have the basic skills. It’s why there are so many Australians currently playing overseas. Heck there’s at least 3 guys off the top of my head that are playing for other countries this world cup. Don’t get me wrong Fiji have way more natural talent than us and are finally getting organised. It’s not so much the loss itself that hurts, it’s knowing that the selection room is a bit of a mess. The whole second coming of EJ was meant to be the saviour and take us to the next level for this world cup (the chairman’s words, not mine).

2023-09-21T05:27:40+00:00

Wooliej

Roar Rookie


Thank you for your article. I agree.

2023-09-21T05:14:47+00:00

Hurles

Roar Rookie


Looking at the games where we are on, and our players do have the basic skills. We have genuine world class players, I see the problem in how the skills are applied. Whether this is a lack of rugby IQ, coaching or a combination I don’t know, probably both. But I look at a coach completely leaving out experienced 10s and going with a young 10 from a losing SR side with no apparent backup or support and I look at poor coaching and selection. The kicking dual at the end of the Fiji game is case in point, absolute lunacy and had to be part of Eddie’s “low possession” game plan. Clearly the players were playing by numbers. Foley or Quade play and it’s a completely different game, we were lacking a clever rugby player to change the narrative when plan A was failing. England suffered the same fate under Eddie

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