Gatland's grenade: 'I'm a very loyal person - I'm not sure Eddie has always had the same philosophy'

By Tony Harper / Editor

Eddie Jones moved to cool questions about his rivalry with Warren Gatland on Saturday by mentioning their regular dates for a curry dinner during the Six Nations. Meanwhile, Wales’ Kiwi-born coach was adding a fistful of spice.

Their public exchanges have been more butter chicken than vindaloo in the past few years, although Jones famously told Gatland to “enjoy the third – fourth play off” as Wales lost a semifinal four years ago and England advanced to the final two.

“Always got on well with Warren. We used to have a curry together when we were coaching the Six Nations but it’s a little bit different out here,” said Jones. “We’re in the middle of nowhere so it’s hard to find where you can get a curry.”

Jones was asked if he had a message for the Wales coach.

“Not really, mate. [He’s done] a good job. It’s been interesting. He brought some young players in and now has now gone back to more senior players.

“And Wales has gone back to a more Gatland style of rugby. [Former Wales coach Wayne Pivac] wanted to play that more really traditional New Zealand style. High kicking, high contest.”

Gatland, meanwhile, had two cracks at defining their relationship on Saturday – once in an official press conference, and again in a paid column for the UK Telegraph.

Unsurprisingly he went in harder in the latter with the most eye-opening passage being this, about the differences between the pair, which suggests Jones lacks loyalty.

“There is no doubt that Eddie is very experienced and savvy, and, with England, he had the luxury of coaching a team that had so many more resources and players available to him,” wrote Gatland.

Wales head coach Warren Gatland. (Photo by Ben Birchall/PA Images via Getty Images)

“We, in contrast, have had to fight for everything we have achieved and titles we have won, and that underdog mentality has been a positive for us: everything has been earned, nothing has been given to us.

“I am also a very loyal person in terms of my staff and my players. I am never going to throw someone under the bus. If you perform, I will back you.

“A big part of the success that I have had as coach is developing players over a period of time and creating an environment that they want to be part of.

“I am not sure Eddie has always had the same philosophy. He has a significant turnover in coaches and staff and can only presume that he demands really high standards and pushes people to limits they are not prepared to go to – and either they move on, or they are moved on.

“That is only me looking from the outside and talking to people who have worked with him in the past. Still, what you cannot deny is that he has had times in his career when he has been very successful and in demand and credit to him.

Wales’ Warren Gatland, and England’s Eddie Jones look on during the 6 Nations Launch in 2019. (Photo by Clive Rose/Getty Images)

Earlier in his piece Gatland told of a conversation that had waiting to enter a press conference to hype up a Six Nations season.

“Come on Eddie, don’t let me down, get out there and throw some grenades!” Gatland claims he said. “He turned to me with a smile and said: “I will wait for you to go first.”

On Saturday, Gtaland pulled the pin out of the grenade. All’s fair in love, war and international rugby.

“We both know that the pantomime knock-about not only creates interest in the game but the use of verbal grenades can also be used either to take the pressure off the players or send a message to them or the opposition,” wrote Gatland.

“I think when Eddie got the Wallabies job, part of his remit was to generate publicity for rugby union in Australia. Some of his recent feuds with the Australian media have created controversy and a lot of headlines, but the flip side is that he has got people talking about rugby in the country, people are engaged and interested in what is going on.

“He is also more than comfortable in taking the pressure away from his team and his players by having some verbals with the media to create headlines that protect his players.

“That is something we have in common. I am a great believer in the impact of sending subtle messages.”

Quite.

At his official press conference, Gatland made it clear that he has a lot of time for his under-pressure rival.

But asked if he had any sympathy for Jones – considering the hammering he’s received especially from former Wallabies – Gatland said “no”.

He later clarified: “That was a bit of a joke. As coaches we all come under pressure at times. It’s part of the job. In fairness to Eddie, he’s trying to take pressure off the players in terms of saying he’s responsible for the performances and results and saying they’re not good enough.

“I understand where he’s at. It’s a rebuilding process. He has made a number of changes and he’s got a young team going forward. I understand, I’ve been in those situations in the past. There’s no criticism that has been aimed at the players, it has all been aimed at Eddie.”

On a personal note, Gatland added: “It’s always been good. At press conferences often you get asked questions that are slightly twisted by the media that are out of context. I find his company really good. He’s engaging. It’s obvious he drives a lot of people pretty hard and it’s been part of his success in the past, and he’s going through that process at the moment.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-24T02:50:06+00:00

Cliff Bishkek

Roar Rookie


QED - valid - but suggest you go and put a candle or a lithium charged battery light at the end of the tunnel. That time waiting has been long and is going to be a lot longer - me thinks! But I wish them well today and I will stay away from the vodka.

2023-09-24T02:46:59+00:00

Cliff Bishkek

Roar Rookie


JD - not so much on age but more experience, as more tests and SR expereince. And in my opinion, and it is only an opinion, McDermott has a far better skill set than White in all aspects of paly, except his pass can go wobbly at times. So better than White to mentor. But your point on age is correct!

2023-09-23T13:50:11+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Yeah exactly. I dumped $600 on tickets for this game

2023-09-23T13:49:35+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


What world class options were in the tight 5 for Aus A vs Fiji last year?

2023-09-23T10:10:16+00:00

Jackass

Roar Rookie


I've been waiting for Hamish to come out of hiding, hoping for intelligent insight regarding RAs view of the current situation. Geez, the bloke is not only lacking upstairs but as arrogant as I'd imagined and then some. Basically, everyday wallaby supporters can shove it, and by the way King Charles is cheering us on, so that's what matters. Wow, that's really special. The selections make me wonder if this is really the most important game since 2015, but that's too difficult for Hamish to comprehend I suppose.

2023-09-23T09:16:03+00:00

Guess

Roar Rookie


The saviour of Australian rugby has turned this game from low stakes game into the most important lol

2023-09-23T08:58:51+00:00

Bobby

Roar Rookie


Wouldn't it be revealing to get honest and down to earth, players opinions on Eddie, his countless Assistants and staff, as well as the 3 "mental professionals". Probably have to wait a few years.

2023-09-23T08:39:32+00:00

Loosey

Roar Rookie


From the SMH: “This is the Wallabies’ most important game since the Rugby World Cup final in 2015,” McLennan said. “For all the Wallaby detractors, don’t watch the game. I think King Charles will be barracking for Australia.” What a twat. Bit hard when you have tickets for the matches.

2023-09-23T08:27:10+00:00

East Coast Aces

Roar Rookie


Qld McLoughlin-phillips. watch for him. but he will have to earn it over Lynaugh

2023-09-23T07:37:17+00:00

Qualify

Roar Rookie


Indeed.

2023-09-23T07:23:36+00:00

Junior Harlequin

Roar Rookie


I still think the issue is one of a lack of genuine world class depth in the tight five. There is almost no doubt that with a fit TT and Skelton the wallabies beat Fiji and all this talk would be essentially academic. Sure we may not have got past the big four eventually but we likely also have beaten Argentina in the quarters and everyone would accept a valiant semi loss. So it’s all about the poor state of back ups for the tight five I reckon. Why have we got to a situation where we have one of the oldest props running around (who said he had considered retiring two years ago) and an entire replacement front row with bugger all experience at super level, let alone Test level!?

2023-09-23T07:06:48+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


Rennie had a couple of years and didn’t had the luxury to build for the future. 38% win percentage is still very low. 1/7 is even worse.

2023-09-23T06:39:19+00:00

LBJ

Roar Rookie


TBH, gatland making personal remarks about an opposition coach embarrasses himself more than anything. I'll take personality and wit with Eddie over sullen, snarky and dull every day thanks. Hoping we get to shove it right back where it came from tomorrow..!

2023-09-23T06:34:58+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Eddie isn’t being criticised for not turning the results around. He’s being criticised because he is. Just in the wrong direction.

2023-09-23T06:33:26+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Probably he’s coached 7 tests for 6 wins and the first loss for Fiji for 69 years when they lost to Aus A only last year. Why on earth would you expect the media not to be negative

2023-09-23T06:31:12+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Rarely that’s the case. Normally it’s stagnation then progress.

2023-09-23T06:30:19+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


What historical evidence? Ben Tameifuna is bigger, 5 years older and running around still

2023-09-23T05:57:19+00:00

Bluffboy

Roar Rookie


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-09-23T05:56:52+00:00

Jezdexter

Roar Rookie


Given Lonergan is both a better player than and older than McDermott I think you have who should be mentoring who backwards. Rest of the point is completely valid though.

2023-09-23T05:46:54+00:00

QED

Roar Rookie


CB. The tunnel maybe long, very long, the flickering pilot light all but out. However, for the tragic like myself, we are sustained by our eternal belief of how sweet it will be when when it blazes again.

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