'What the hell's going on': Ex-Wallabies question 'losing' culture, pathways at Waratahs

By Christy Doran / Editor

Amid questions of a “mistake-making” culture where losing has become acceptable at the Waratahs, former Wallabies Cameron Shepherd and Stephen Hoiles have questioned the rugby pathways in NSW.

After three successive defeats of three points or less, the Waratahs suffered their fourth straight loss last weekend as they went down to the Rebels 27-21 last Friday night.

Head coach Darren Coleman described the defeat as the Waratahs’ worst since he took over in 2022, as the home side blew countless opportunities and were scrummed off the park in the absence of Angus Bell.

The forgettable evening started early, with winger Dylan Pietsch blowing an early try after failing to draw and pass to his inside teammates Mahe Vailanu and Jake Gordon and instead backing himself to outsprint Carter Gordon.

It backfired, with the Australia A winger, who previously starred for the national sevens team, being tackled around the legs and throwing the ball forward in an attempt to rectify his decision.

Shepherd, who featured prominently in the back three for the Waratahs and Western Force and appeared at the 2007 World Cup, said he was left most disappointed by the lack of accountability following the blown try.

“Is there a culture that mistake-making and losing is acceptable?” he said on Stan Sport’s Between Two Posts podcast.

“You saw Dylan Piestch run down the sideline, two or three guys are marked inside, [he] should have drawn and passed and Jake Gordon runs in toscore.

“Izaia Perese would have been back after beating, what, five people to set that try up [and] wondering ‘what the hell’s going on?’ That should have been a try.

“Yet, they’re giving him high-fives and giving him bum-pats when he’s running back.

“He should have been led out to the car park and put in a car and sent home.”

Dylan Pietsch and Max Jorgensen look dejected after going down to the Melbourne Rebels at Allianz Stadium on March 29 in Sydney. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

After three late team withdrawals, the blown chance set the tone for the disappointing result.

They weren’t helped by being on the end of a 18-4 penalty count during a match where there was 37 turnovers.

Hoiles, who featured prominently in the Waratahs’ only Super Rugby success in 2014 under Cheika after previously playing at the club in between a stint at the Brumbies, said the moment highlighted the lack of smarts in Australian rugby currently.

“I’ve coached ‘Peachie’ and I’ve watched him… He’s got so much confidence and ability, but he’s just got to slow down at times because he made the initial break,” Hoiles said.

“One of the challenges I had when I was coaching was he wants to go to fifth gear all the time and sometimes you’re better off when you’re that fast.  

“You [Shepherd] in fourth gear would make a better decision.

“Finishers like that, you don’t always have to be flying down the sideline. He did the hard work, he made the break and then it was about slow down and finish it and give it to someone else, but you can’t do that when you’re running ten metres a second.  It’s not easy to make an accurate decision and an accurate pass.”

Hoiles said the fear of failure at the Waratahs was once again hurting the franchise.

“I reckon there’s a bit of a fear,” he said.

“I’ve seen this at the Tahs many times over the years, I reckon there’s a fear of failing as opposed to a passion to win. That might sound like just a load of crap, but they fear losing rather than they have this dead-set passion to go out and win.”

Asked if that was down to public pressure, Hoiles said it played a part.

“Sydney’s always been hard, mate,” he said.

“We’ve been there. You turn up, you’re meant to win at the start of the year.

“There is something about that club, that’s why they’ve only won one [title] and that was the great job Michael Cheika did that year was taking the pressure off the players and putting it on himself.

“When there’s that many errors happening in a game, this is the first time this year I sat back and said, ‘oh, it’s not all that good at the Tahs.’”  

The Waratahs’ season is on the line ahead of their clash against the Brumbies in Canberra. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

Many of the penalties were the result of the Rebels’ dominant scrum, as Kevin Foote’s side made the most of the Waratahs down in resources in the front-row.

Missing four of their seven contracted props, Coleman threw rising Junior Wallabies talent Jack Barrett in to start in what was his Super Rugby debut.

But the 19-year-old was withdrawn in the 21st minute, with recruit Hayden Thompson-Stringer brought in to try and steady the ship.

Although the experienced front-rower was effective around the park, he too struggled at the set-piece with Taniela Tupou dominating once he came on in the second half.

While the panel believed Barrett was a player on the rise, Shepherd questioned why a teenager, who had yet to start in a senior match, was called up to pack down against one of Australia’s best packs.

“Is that a result of our development pathway where we’re identifying these kids at 14 years of age, putting them in Gen Blue, which it’s called in Sydney, avoiding their involvement in Shute Shield and developing them in the gym and on the training park more than on the field?” he said.

“That’s the pathway that we seem to be selecting out of.

“Instead, why aren’t the top 10 front rowers in New South Wales or every state listed, and then analysed, and then brought in.”

Jack Barrett tries to dent the Rebels’ line on debut against the Rebels at Allianz Stadium on March 29, 2024 in Sydney. (Photo by Pete Dovgan/Speed Media/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

Hoiles said the pressures of keeping young talent meant players were often thrown in prematurely.

Crucially, the second-year Randwick coach added that that line of thinking had meant plenty of players in the Shute Shield and other club competitions had hung up the boots earlier than in the past because they knew they wouldn’t get a call-up to higher honours.

“The problem with this model of these young guys getting opportunities is the 24 or 25-year-old will see it on the weekend in club footy and go, ‘This is my last year’,” he said.

“As opposed to going, I’ll hang in there, I’ll play until 30, I’ll play 200 games. They go, I’m going overseas or I’m done.

“Club footy across Australia is a lot younger because professional rugby getting younger.”

Hoiles added that forwards typically developed later than backs.

“Not many forwards are ready to go [at 20] but they’re getting judged at a young age and some of our best are playing Shute Shield between the age of 21 and 25 and they’re going, ‘I’m now ready. You didn’t think I was ready four years ago? I wasn’t. But I’m ready now.’

The Crowd Says:

2024-04-06T07:11:14+00:00

In From The Side

Roar Rookie


Who are the idiots who think that giving players less game time will help their development? That has got to be the dumbest decision that I have heard in rugby, perhaps slightly below the Force signing Beale. How in the goddam hell are these players meant to develop their skills if they aren’t playing? What a dumb process.

2024-04-05T03:08:29+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


They won't "dust them", but they may challenge them, especially in the wet. Visiting teams never dominate the Brums in Canberra, and the Waratahs are probably the least likely team in the world to do that at the moment, BUT... it is raining. The Brums like to move the ball at home. I hope Noah has been primed to kick long to the corners and that Lonergan doesn't revert to mid-field up-and-unders all match. They need something a bit more refined and 'controllable' than that.

2024-04-05T01:41:50+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


Look we can sit and play the blame game all day long. All that matters is that mistakes must be punished and no player should ever believe his teammates support him.

2024-04-05T01:00:53+00:00

Nick Maguire

Roar Rookie


Cam Who? I honestly can't remember him

2024-04-04T23:47:20+00:00

Big Dave

Roar Rookie


I don't think they will, but if it all clicks I think they can compete with anyone. It just isn't clicking....

2024-04-04T23:45:42+00:00

Big Dave

Roar Rookie


Well it's a potential huge rugby market. Heaps of PI for starters. But it has been handed over to league. I feel like this is all pretty obvious, seems like you're just arguing for the sake of it.

2024-04-04T21:31:07+00:00

ForeverBok

Roar Rookie


Rugby in Australia is such absolute crap that I stopped watching rugby many years ago, and watch Rugby League. Yes, Rugby League is brutal. But the speed, fitness levels and incredible skills of Rugby League are next level. I love the adrenaline pumping excitement of Rugby League. I am 78, and grew up playing rugby until I was 37. Now I only watch my beloved Bokke.

2024-04-04T20:01:40+00:00

Rocky's Rules

Roar Rookie


@Fin Yes I agree with you there. I also thought Hoiles was a better no 8 than W Palu :thumbup:

2024-04-04T19:44:48+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


It doesn’t. You repeating it doesn’t make it true champ.

2024-04-04T19:44:14+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


No. The only reason they don’t play Shute shield is if they are playing u20s or Junior Wallabies rep games.

2024-04-04T19:43:07+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


It’s a massive step up. That’s why players almost always struggle when they have been picked for Shute shield.

2024-04-04T19:38:27+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Guy Porter was signed by the brumbies years ago before he went to England. A Shute Shield player may be better today. But the reality is a Shute shield player isn’t going to be the level they need today. They aren’t ready for super rugby. So why would you invest in a player with a lower ceiling because he’s a bit better today? In most cases you won’t be playing them. Jack Barrett was only selected due to an injury crisis. He was on an EPS contract.

2024-04-04T17:08:45+00:00

Nicholas Chambers

Roar Rookie


For me it’s more that they keep giving Super contracts to guys who haven’t played any 1st grade club rugby yet. The guy debuts in 1st Grade the same season he makes his Super debut (i.e. half the current squad, who are good now but we all saw what happened in 2021…). It’s like picking a high schooler in the NFL and completely skipping college football. There are players in the Shute Shield currently who are better than the current Tahs squad, but they didn’t go through the Junior Wallabies or Gen Blue so won’t get a look in, and we lose them overseas. Guy Porter should’ve been playing Super Rugby years ago, now he plays for England.

2024-04-04T15:52:34+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


I have yet to see any sportsperson encourage a teammate to make mistakes. Maybe it’s a pressing problem that has passed me by.

2024-04-04T14:46:16+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


What is culture? If you win you have a winning culture, if you lose you have a losing culture. That’s it

2024-04-04T14:41:41+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


Yeah it’s all based on contracts rather than who is in good form.

2024-04-04T14:35:38+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


Yeah cause the subs are so expensive to pay for all the super teams. No Shute money should go to ra or super

2024-04-04T14:31:00+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


Most of the super players are from the Shute. It is not a huge step up to super

2024-04-04T14:20:55+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


Yeah in the 90s every tahs player was accomplished and excellent, now the tahs is a development squad.

2024-04-04T13:11:28+00:00

piru

Roar Rookie


Should they be encouraged to make more mistakes? It's not like they need it

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