I notice that the coaches votes for the Essendon game are out. Pendlebury scored 10 meaning that both coaches gave him five out of five. Second, in the voting, was Grundy who scored 8 meaning that he scored four votes out of the possible four left from each coach. The next possible highest score by any player is a 6 and would require each coach to award 3 votes to the same player. As it happened Shiel was the next highest score and the highest ranked Essendon player with 5 votes since all the 4 votes were used this means that Shiel had to score a 2 and a 3 vote from the coaches meaning one coach scored him as the third most influential player while the other coach scored him as fourth most influential. Further emphasising that if you think it was not Pendlebury for the BOG then who?
Look at the video again, the ball came out to Pendlebury, the pack came at him as he bent to pick it up.
From a perspective of avoiding injury, it is potentially very lucky he ducked his head enough that the contact was not on the top of the head which is mechanism for spinal compression fractures. Think about what happened to Neil Sachs playing for the Dogs, nobody wants to see anyone in a wheelchair for the rest of their life.
In review, the umpires have said that the free was correct, because Pendlebury was stationary and the pack hit him.
I agree, Dom Sheed should not have been booed earlier this year. He did what a player should do, he marked and kicked. (What I think was wrong was the umpires put their whistles away in their pockets for the last minutes of the GF, but that is not Sheed's issue).
However, the core of this discussion is more than finding an example of poor behaviour from one club or another. I stopped letting my kids use an excuse like "he did it first" after they turned three. If the best argument to support an action is someone else's poor behaviour you should consider how you set personal standards of behaviour.
Each club has examples of poorly behaved supporters, but the comments here are not about the group but about a section of the crowd who were childish enough to boo. I love my club, but I don't have to love the bevaviour of everyone who supports it.
There was a noticeable increase in booing when he spoke out about Aboriginal issues.
If there was widespread talk of a racist element to the booing, would you continue to be seen to do it even if that was not your reason.?
I’m a conspiracy theorist by nature so I have to qualms in saying that was a stitch up and Essendon will be made to pay for their crimes until the last of the 34 have retired.
So angry I’ve had to restrain myself with some people since Thursday
Some good points there, FT. As Leigh Matthews said in the commentary; “You DO need to bend down to collect the ball”. If high contact is made, however unintentional, the free kick still has to be paid. It’s been that way since Cocky was an egg. I remember the tragic Neil Sachse injury too. Not that dissimilar a situation.
Then people continued booing because he was having a hissy fit about it.
If booing could easily throw Dangerfield off his game, what do you think people would do? Boo him.
You need a set of stocks for Adelaide as well - poor Polec and Pittard mercilessly booed before even touching the ball. And in the ANZAC Round - no respect. Shock, horror!
Fair enough! I’ll take a step back now. We both have opinions, I totally get yours, you get mine.
In a less inflammatory topic, both our teams have big hands this weekend, hey?
Grandfather-ww2
Father-viet nam
Uncle- Viet Nam
Father in law -20 years Australian army
Bro in law- police officer
Still not worried, my father not worried, my bro in law concerned about how Buckley inflamed a volatile situation as it would’ve been the police dealing with any ramifications. I went to the dawn service with my family to reflect on our armed services, the footy is not integral and is just a game.
Whilst we’re on personal anecdotes, my dad served for two decades in the Australian defence force, so I have a pretty good appreciation of ANZAC culture and all that lies within. I was a little taken aback by the booing because the booing was at such odds with the spirit of the day (insert typical argument about the league courrpting ANZAC day already blah blah blah). Even my mum, not usually someone invested in sport further than idly watching whilst I blog, was shocked by the booing.
True Pete, referring to Essendon fans as bogan coward nutters all day doesn't sound like a bullying, I'm better than attitude at all. Or is that again a case of Pete justification.
Completely different example Mark. That was in game, the bogan bomber brethren was ten minutes past game when they should have been skulking away on the trains hiding their scarves.
As a kid, I remember booing for two reasons:
- any time an opposition player thumped one of our blokes, and/or got reported for something, and/or did something unsportsmanlike; and
- every time an ump made a bad decision (which covered half the decisions).
Back in the day there were no special games and no special post-game awards, you went home happy or sad.
The bomber fans were probably booing a poor umpiring display, but once they've walked off the ground, that should be it as far as that is concerned, it shouldn't have continued when Pendles was accepting his award, and I think most would now recognise that to be the case looking back on it.
As for the umpiring, I was listening to Mick Malthouse on ABC radio after the game. I agree with him when he said he could not remember a game when on three separate occasions, both sets of players absolutely stopped play, expecting an obvious free kick to be called, and even when there was no whistle, with the ump imploring to play on, they still stood around incredulous for a few seconds, looking at each other (play on? really??).
Now you might see that once or twice a season, but to see that three times during the one game, well, that's damning in my opinion.
Fat Toad
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I notice that the coaches votes for the Essendon game are out. Pendlebury scored 10 meaning that both coaches gave him five out of five. Second, in the voting, was Grundy who scored 8 meaning that he scored four votes out of the possible four left from each coach. The next possible highest score by any player is a 6 and would require each coach to award 3 votes to the same player. As it happened Shiel was the next highest score and the highest ranked Essendon player with 5 votes since all the 4 votes were used this means that Shiel had to score a 2 and a 3 vote from the coaches meaning one coach scored him as the third most influential player while the other coach scored him as fourth most influential. Further emphasising that if you think it was not Pendlebury for the BOG then who?
Fat Toad
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Look at the video again, the ball came out to Pendlebury, the pack came at him as he bent to pick it up. From a perspective of avoiding injury, it is potentially very lucky he ducked his head enough that the contact was not on the top of the head which is mechanism for spinal compression fractures. Think about what happened to Neil Sachs playing for the Dogs, nobody wants to see anyone in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. In review, the umpires have said that the free was correct, because Pendlebury was stationary and the pack hit him.
Fat Toad
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I agree, Dom Sheed should not have been booed earlier this year. He did what a player should do, he marked and kicked. (What I think was wrong was the umpires put their whistles away in their pockets for the last minutes of the GF, but that is not Sheed's issue). However, the core of this discussion is more than finding an example of poor behaviour from one club or another. I stopped letting my kids use an excuse like "he did it first" after they turned three. If the best argument to support an action is someone else's poor behaviour you should consider how you set personal standards of behaviour. Each club has examples of poorly behaved supporters, but the comments here are not about the group but about a section of the crowd who were childish enough to boo. I love my club, but I don't have to love the bevaviour of everyone who supports it.
Fat Toad
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I was pretty young when Sachsie was paralysed, but the image is still with me. It makes my blood run cold.
RT
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There was a noticeable increase in booing when he spoke out about Aboriginal issues. If there was widespread talk of a racist element to the booing, would you continue to be seen to do it even if that was not your reason.?
JC
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I’m a conspiracy theorist by nature so I have to qualms in saying that was a stitch up and Essendon will be made to pay for their crimes until the last of the 34 have retired. So angry I’ve had to restrain myself with some people since Thursday
Floyd Calhoun
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Some good points there, FT. As Leigh Matthews said in the commentary; “You DO need to bend down to collect the ball”. If high contact is made, however unintentional, the free kick still has to be paid. It’s been that way since Cocky was an egg. I remember the tragic Neil Sachse injury too. Not that dissimilar a situation.
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Then people continued booing because he was having a hissy fit about it. If booing could easily throw Dangerfield off his game, what do you think people would do? Boo him.
ProtectedZone
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You need a set of stocks for Adelaide as well - poor Polec and Pittard mercilessly booed before even touching the ball. And in the ANZAC Round - no respect. Shock, horror!
RT
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initially
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Hoping it's good for everyone mate
Liam Salter
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Fair enough! I’ll take a step back now. We both have opinions, I totally get yours, you get mine. In a less inflammatory topic, both our teams have big hands this weekend, hey?
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Grandfather-ww2 Father-viet nam Uncle- Viet Nam Father in law -20 years Australian army Bro in law- police officer Still not worried, my father not worried, my bro in law concerned about how Buckley inflamed a volatile situation as it would’ve been the police dealing with any ramifications. I went to the dawn service with my family to reflect on our armed services, the footy is not integral and is just a game.
Liam Salter
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Whilst we’re on personal anecdotes, my dad served for two decades in the Australian defence force, so I have a pretty good appreciation of ANZAC culture and all that lies within. I was a little taken aback by the booing because the booing was at such odds with the spirit of the day (insert typical argument about the league courrpting ANZAC day already blah blah blah). Even my mum, not usually someone invested in sport further than idly watching whilst I blog, was shocked by the booing.
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Another justified, I'm better than, bullying sentiment filled styled post Pete. Not bad
Peter the Scribe
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I agree Mr Football the umpiring was horrendous but not just in the last qtr. They kept the bombers in the game first half
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True Pete, referring to Essendon fans as bogan coward nutters all day doesn't sound like a bullying, I'm better than attitude at all. Or is that again a case of Pete justification.
Peter the Scribe
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Completely different example Mark. That was in game, the bogan bomber brethren was ten minutes past game when they should have been skulking away on the trains hiding their scarves.
Peter the Scribe
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Maybe that’s what got me Mr Toad. Not keen on bullying.
Mister Football
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As a kid, I remember booing for two reasons: - any time an opposition player thumped one of our blokes, and/or got reported for something, and/or did something unsportsmanlike; and - every time an ump made a bad decision (which covered half the decisions). Back in the day there were no special games and no special post-game awards, you went home happy or sad. The bomber fans were probably booing a poor umpiring display, but once they've walked off the ground, that should be it as far as that is concerned, it shouldn't have continued when Pendles was accepting his award, and I think most would now recognise that to be the case looking back on it. As for the umpiring, I was listening to Mick Malthouse on ABC radio after the game. I agree with him when he said he could not remember a game when on three separate occasions, both sets of players absolutely stopped play, expecting an obvious free kick to be called, and even when there was no whistle, with the ump imploring to play on, they still stood around incredulous for a few seconds, looking at each other (play on? really??). Now you might see that once or twice a season, but to see that three times during the one game, well, that's damning in my opinion.