Okay Collingwood, how good are you?

By Cameron Rose / Expert

Before we even know what has hit us, Collingwood are second on the ladder after 15 rounds. Their win-loss record is 10-4, and they’ve won half a dozen matches in a row by an average margin in excess of six goals.

This time last year, the Pies were languishing in 15th position, having just suffered their third consecutive loss. The future of coach Nathan Buckley was hanging by a thread, and in truth there were few who thought he would see out the season, let alone earn a contract extension.

Just like for Richmond from 2016 to 2017, the wheel has turned far quicker than almost anyone could have imagined.

The Tigers finished 13th in 2016, just as Collingwood finished 13th last year. This type of ladder position, in the bottom six, results in what we call a friendly fixture the season after.

Of course, no-one knows exactly which teams are going to be strong or weak from year to year, and every season springs surprises. The above two examples are cases in point.

The unpredictable vagaries of form also play a big role. Would you rather your team play Essendon now when they are running hot, or back in May when they were a basket-case? St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs are much tougher propositions now than they were a month or two ago, as Melbourne and Geelong found out on the weekend.

Collingwood manager Nate Buckley (AAP Image/Alex Murray)

But back to Collingwood.

Their wins this season have been against Carlton, Adelaide, Essendon, Brisbane, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Melbourne, Carlton again, and Gold Coast.

It’s an unimpressive list of names based on 2018 form, and their respective ladder positions after 15 rounds bear this out: 18th, 11th, 12th, 17th, 15th, 14th, 13th, seventh, 18th, 16th.

They’ve only beaten one team currently in the top ten, which was Melbourne, and the Demons themselves have an unflattering 1-5 record against the top ten.

In layman’s terms, the Pies have beaten no-one.

The Collingwood losses, albeit there haven’t been many, also tell a little story.

The Pies have gone down to Hawthorn (10th), GWS (6th), Richmond (1st), and Geelong (8th). Their average losing margin in these contests has been just shy of five goals.

They may have only beaten one team inside the top 10, but they haven’t lost to anyone below that. They’re definitely a top eight team, that’s beyond dispute. They’re almost certainly a top six side.

Whether they are a legitimate top four contender, and thus a premiership fancy, will be unveiled over the next five weeks.

First up is Essendon, now playing the kind of football that was widely expected of them before the season started. Their Anzac Day performance was arguably their worst of the year, but their blitzkrieg ball movement is back to where they want it to be.

Of the Pies losses, three of them have been to quicker ball movement teams, so their defensive system will get a good test this Sunday against the Bombers.

West Coast at the MCG in Round 17 is shaping as an easy kill if the Eagles don’t have Josh Kennedy, Jack Darling and Mark LeCras back by then, but it will still be a chance for a top four scalp.

Round 18 sees Collingwood square off with North Melbourne, who have been honest all year but are just starting to get found out a little now.

That set of games, where they’d fancy themselves to go 2-1 at worst, should see the Pies cherry ripe for when the big potatoes come.

Magpies head coach Nathan Buckley and his troops (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Round 19 could well be Richmond’s third top of the table clash for the year, if they and Collingwood can maintain their current positions. That will give the football world a chance to see how far the Pies have come since Round 6, when the Tigers tuned them up by 43 points thanks to an eight goal last quarter.

Richmond won the contested possession count by 30 and the clearances by ten that day, so Buckley will know he needs to fix up what happens around the ball against the Tigers.

Round 20, and the last of a testing five match run, bring a trip to Sydney to take on the Swans at the SCG. By this time, it is likely that a win to either team could put them in the top two, and a loss could see them drop out of the top four. The timing will be perfect for Collingwood to see exactly where they’re at.

The Pies midfield and forward-line are working well together, with a lot of depth and varying avenues to goal.

One aspect that can’t be overlooked is accuracy in front of the big sticks – Collingwood’s top five leading goal-kickers (Will Hoskin-Elliott, Jaidyn Stephenson, Josh Thomas, Jordan de Goey and Mason Cox) have kicked a combined 110.41 this year, converting at an exceptional 73 per cent.

The concern for the Pies is in defence. They’ve had a soft run the way the draw has panned out, but they are only ranked ninth for points against.

The Magpies are looking good this year – or are they? (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

What is largely a no-name back six is about to face their sternest test, and will have to do so for the rest of the year without full-back Lynden Dunn, who hasn’t just been taking the biggest jobs, but also provides drive with his raking right foot.

Collingwood have shown they can put away the bad teams, and are on track for at least a 15 win season, which will see them right in the thick of the top four action. 16 wins should lock them in.

They’ve built confidence, belief and momentum through the year, which have proven to be deadly weapons on the way to premierships for both Richmond and the Western Bulldogs in recent times.

Over the next five weeks, we’ll learn just how close they might be to emulating those teams this September.

The Crowd Says:

2018-07-05T04:52:12+00:00

Chris

Guest


Season defining are the next eight weeks. Playing Essendon, Eagles, North Melbourne,Richmond, Swans, Lions, Power and Freo does not make for an ideal draw. In order to make the eight they need five wins out of eight matches. I think that is hard to see given the current spate of injuries. I would be happy if they snuck into eighth position and won a final or two. Anything beyond that would be a pipe dream. I don't honestly know where some of you guys get your ideas from. If they don't rearrange the deck chairs we could end up being a Titanic unless of course the team is way better than generally thought of by us laymen/backyard pundits.

2018-07-04T12:43:53+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


Great analysis Cameron. It says a lot that the team in 2nd is not much more than a 50-50 against a team in 12th. Based on recent form there is every chance that the Bombers will torch them.

2018-07-04T04:22:00+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


What will they be peeking at, Aligee?

2018-07-04T04:19:24+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


You know I always talk sense, Scribe.

2018-07-04T01:16:58+00:00

Dalgety Carrington

Roar Guru


?? Collingwood in '10 was one of the youngest premiership teams of all time.

2018-07-03T23:46:35+00:00

Fat Toad

Roar Rookie


I have always liked the way Hardwick went about his work and felt for him in the way Richmond failed to deliver on its potential. Both Buckley and Hardwick are excellent coaches and their path through to where they are today demonstrates that the elements required for success are diverse and much more than the coach's personal abilities. Buckley did not take over a team at the bottom as Hardwick did, but he did take over a list that had not been properly managed as it was cycling down due to Malthouse pushing for a premiership when a look at the list would have shown that it needed renewal. So effectively Buckley rode with the team to the bottom of its performance cycle and them brought it back up.

2018-07-03T23:30:56+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Bretto in your opinion what would be a successful conclusion to the season for the Pies from our current position at 10-4 and 2nd? IMO a preliminary final and the imminent arrival of Tom Lynch would be pretty good. Do I fantasise about the Pies going the whole way? Absolutely. Do I really think we can? Not this year.

2018-07-03T23:23:09+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


That’s actually a fair comment from you. Don’t start making sense to me now it will throw me more than your derogatory comments.

2018-07-03T13:05:12+00:00

anon

Roar Pro


Great point. Stand corrected.

2018-07-03T12:11:21+00:00

Bretto

Guest


Things will become clear soon enough.... or not. The joys of football.

2018-07-03T11:53:26+00:00

Bretto

Guest


Aligee - I agree, GWS have been hovering last 2 years, had some bad outs this year. Cameron certainly doesn't help, and Patton needs to stand up big time. Can their middle run work in hard pressure finals? They have serious class through the middle. Get Cameron and Greene back, Patton firing, they are an absolute threat. It's strange/great how any of several teams can look amazing on their day. It's about stringing 4 games together, which may involve winning ugly in at least one of them.

2018-07-03T10:57:23+00:00

Aligee

Roar Rookie


I have a feeling GWS will be peeking around then.

2018-07-03T10:49:08+00:00

Bretto

Guest


PtS - I tend to agree, but I remember watching last year GF in a pub with some good mates who were Adelaide supporters. They were quietly confident... Richmond had come from nowhere and surely the run would end. The theory of having to lose a few finals and then make the big dance is gone. Footscray and then Richmond. I don't think Pies can do it this year, but it's really about hitting your straps at the right time. The next 7 weeks are going to be exciting, heartbreaking, frustrating, wonderful, and THEN we have the finals. I've just checked my health insurance to confirm heart attacks are covered.

2018-07-03T09:48:29+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


Nothing against Elliot at all,Peter. Brilliant player. Just don't think he 'fits' anymore. If one player digresses from the team game plan these days the whole side gets burnt. I just think Elliot could be that one player.

2018-07-03T08:00:16+00:00

Davico

Roar Pro


Contender and flag fave are 2 VERY different things

2018-07-03T07:56:59+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


You just have a thing against Elliott Truetiger. I like Camerons point though about "theres only one football"...meaning (I'm theorising) that it's all about structure and each player filling a role. Brilliance is still brilliance though and the four small forwards all earn their spots. De Goey, Stephenson, Hoskin -Elliott and Thomas are the incumbents but if Mihocek goes back then Elliott can rotate forward off the bench with Cox the tall.

2018-07-03T07:26:25+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


That's just the thing. Hardwick took over a bottom of the ladder team and led them to glory. His first 10 games, as I recall, as coach were losses! Buckley on the other hand took the reins of a premiership team and . . .

2018-07-03T06:16:53+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


Any team in the 8 is a contender. Your link makes no reference to Melbourne being flag favorites! Referencing Robbo is very sloppy of you. He's a bloke you've made it very clear on a number of occasions is someone not worth listening to. So I ask again . . . who are these people?

2018-07-03T04:58:09+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Yes Doran but so was the Melbourne Queens birthday game, we won that easily against a side kicking 20 plus goals each week and in the form of their past decade and no one thinks we have definition yet. The same will happen if we belt the Bombers. After all, the Bombers are 12th so it will be "aaah the Pies only beat the 12th placed side", still unproven. Then, if we beat the Eagles it will be "aaah, they had players out or players just back from injury" . Perhaps it will only be beating the Swans in Sydney that will count to some pundits or will it then be "aaah the Swans can't compete with the Tigers anyway" .

2018-07-03T04:50:20+00:00

Doran Smith

Roar Guru


This is a season defining game for Collingwood.

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