No, really, who will make the finals this season?

By Gordon P Smith / Roar Guru

As always, I have a meta-answer for the question at hand.

Cameron Rose wrote an article on Tuesday that argued seven of our eight finalists would probably be Geelong, Collingwood, Richmond, GWS, Essendon, Port Adelaide and West Coast.

The eighth, he suggested, could very well be the winner of this weekend’s Fremantle vs Adelaide game.

The implications of my own article on Monday were that six or seven of the likely finalists were already in the top eight, and that five of those were Geelong, Collingwood, GWS, Port Adelaide and Richmond, while one or two of Fremantle, St Kilda and Brisbane would also be there, and the other one or two slots would be filled with teams currently 3-3, meaning Adelaide, Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast and Gold Coast.

This got me thinking: what are other forecasts saying?

After all, my role in the life of The Roar’s footy community is to collect the common wisdom and distill it for easy consumption.

So here’s what my usual sources are saying will happen over the next 17 weeks…

The Arc (Matt Cowgill)
His top shelf, like all of us, has Cats on it. Cats like lounging in high places. This season especially.

They’re given an 80 per cent chance of a top four finish, while the Magpies, Giants and Tigers are all at about 50 per cent for the double chance, with Port at 40 per cent right behind them.

The other three teams he gives a better-than-not chance of playing in September are West Coast and Essendon, both about 63 per cent, and Adelaide in eighth, just slightly above Brisbane – 52 per cent to 45 per cent.

The Saints, Dockers and Hawks are all down around 40 per cent or so, while Gold Coast’s chances of making finals are just 3.3 per cent in the estimation of the Arc.

(Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

Footymaths Institute
At FMI, Geelong are currently given a 95 per cent chance of earning the top seeding 17 weeks down the road. Collingwood and GWS split the other five per cent.

Be that as it may, those three teams are also at 90-plus per cent for a top four post.

The fourth double chance would go to either Essendon or Richmond.

The other three teams with over a 60 per cent probability of making finals are Adelaide, Port and West Coast.

Matter Of Stats (Tony Corke)
His current forecast for the final ladder gives the Cats just a 40 per cent shot at the minor premiership.

The top six all look relatively secure, with a 66 per cent or higher of making the finals: Geelong, Collingwood, GWS, Richmond, Port Adelaide and Brisbane.

Spots seven through nine are tight, however.

Essendon are projected to win 11.638 games and has a 55 per cent shot at finals. St Kilda are very close: 11.636 wins and 50 per cent for finals.

Adelaide’s below those two in projected wins (11.520) but for some reason are higher than the Saints when it comes to their chance of making finals, at 52 per cent. I’m not sure how, but it probably has to do with other teams leap-frogging the two teams in question.

Potential frogs include Fremantle (42 per cent), West Coast (40 per cent), Hawthorn (34 per cent), and not Gold Coast, although the Suns are projected to finish out of the cellar, in 15th.

Plussixone (James Day)
Geelong (98 per cent chance of finals), Collingwood (86 per cent), GWS (85 per cent), Port (73 per cent), Richmond (71 per cent), Adelaide (64 per cent), West Coast (62 per cent) and then Essendon leading a close three-way race for the last finals slot above Hawthorn and Fremantle.

All three are below a 50/50 chance, sitting in the 40-45 per cent range.

Brisbane and St Kilda are projected also-rans, in the 30 per cent range, while Gold Coast’s 2.3 per cent chance mirrors their placement in 16th.

(Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

GRAFT (Graham – Grudnuk)
His current projections put the end-of-season Cats at 17 wins, the Magpies, Giants and Tigers all at or fractionally above 14 wins for the double chance, the Power alone at 13 wins for fifth, and the Bombers, Eagles, and Crows jumbled around at the 12-win mark to fill out the play-off roster.

Next would come Hawthorn, Brisbane, St Kilda and Fremantle in that order.

As for Gold Coast? You guessed it: still dead last, easily 13 points behind the next lowest percentage.

Massey Ratings (Ken Massey)
His projected final standings are Geelong (17.55 wins), Collingwood (15.40 wins), Giants (14.87 wins), Richmond (14.69 wins), Port Adelaide (13.57 wins), West Coast (13.37 wins), Essendon (12.66 wins) and Brisbane (12.12 wins).

Following those eight teams are Freo, Adelaide, St Kilda and Hawthorn, all a game or more behind the Lions.

So no, not all that close.

Squiggle (Max Barry)
Finally, we have Squiggle’s attempt at a composite opinion for a top eight, which having read a few previous projections won’t surprise you terribly at this point.

The ladder is Geelong (17-5, 137 per cent), Collingwood (15-7, 121 per cent), GWS Giants (14-7-1, 119 per cent), Richmond (14-8, 113 per cent), Port Adelaide (13-9, 112 per cent), Essendon (12-10, 107 per cent), Adelaide (12-10, 106 per cent) and West Coast (12-10, 103 per cent).

This leaves out Brisbane (also at 12 wins), St Kilda, Fremantle and Hawthorn – all three at 11-11 – and of course Gold Coast, who Squiggle asserts have three more wins left in their season and a 17th place finish, just above Carlton.

The meta-results
Every single projection says Geelong leads a pack of five certainties. Collingwood and GWS are also certain for the double chance, probably in second and third respectively, and Richmond lead Port Adelaide for the fourth spot and the right to host the possible elimination match-up in the second week of the finals.

Going through the nine projections again, Essendon get about the equivalent of eight votes to make finals, while West Coast and Adelaide are both in the seven-vote range.

I’m hedging a bit with half-votes, but it’s not close – Brisbane would be the closest challenger with maybe three full votes, and no other team seriously considered more than once.

So there you have it: Port and Essendon hosting the Eagles and Crows in some combination in the elimination finals in week one, alongside the Cats hosting Richmond and Collingwood probably hosting the Giants in the qualifying finals.

And since we’ve now just made the next 17 weeks useless, we’ll just tell you we’re all expecting the Cats to bring a fourth 21st century title to Geelong, and you can skip those four weeks, too.

Unless, I suppose, you like watching the best athletes on the planet play the best sport on the planet.

Or you correctly assume we know as little about the future now as we did seven weeks ago.

The Crowd Says:

2019-05-21T09:39:58+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Absolutely no chance of saints playing finals. None.

2019-05-21T07:54:58+00:00

Billbob

Roar Rookie


Geelong and richmond first Q final in Geelong oooohhh geez it at the MCG gezz I would love, you get the wounded tiger even better

2019-05-05T00:40:45+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Geelong has been marked as the contender. Other teams will start to work on how to beat them. Might have been better to be sitting just below the pies.

2019-05-04T16:18:06+00:00

peter chrisp

Guest


Eat 'em alive Tigers we will blitz the competition very funny & what a great performance by Tigers today & a gr8 result by Bulldogs. Brilliant

2019-05-04T02:52:56+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


WC will need to finish 1 or 2 to 'create havoc'.

2019-05-03T09:11:13+00:00

Richwhat

Guest


Port at home not half decent?

2019-05-03T03:33:12+00:00

Larrikin

Roar Rookie


West Coast will be there creating havoc for vic mobs

2019-05-03T01:23:06+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Im happy with my preseason ladder top 8 though the Saints and Suns made a fool of me tipping one win each down the bottom. I tipped the Hawks (13th) and Swans (15th) sliding down the ladder and underestimated the Cats but still had them 6th. My preseason eight was: Richmond West Coast Collingwood Melbourne Essendon Geelong Adelaide GWS I had Port 9th but would now juggle positions around a bit and probably swap Port for Melbourne.

2019-05-03T01:06:06+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


I'm far from locking anything away yet and I expect the Cats will hit a flat spot at some point (though I'd argue they did against GWS already). I am pretty confident the Cats will be playing finals though. Top 4 is still a ways off (minor premiership while nice means less to Geelong than any other side due to not allowed to host finals even if finish on top). The early wins will make it easier to manage the younger (and older) players though. Already Constable and Clark have been given rests. More will be coming.

2019-05-03T00:46:38+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


I'll stick my hand up. I had Two of Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney missing finals. Sydney for me was the one who I said was more likely to stay in Finals. My Ladder had Sydney 8, Geelong 9 & Hawthorn in the 14th. What Chris Scott has done has been awesome! I'm not straight out in the belief that they are Favourites. They are still a pretty young side and history shows the younger guys will generally start to fade as the season gets longer and they get tired of the AFL. In between this you will have to find ways to rest / freshen up your older really important guys.... So for the Cats still a long way to go. But absolutely hats off to them how they are progressing.

2019-05-02T22:29:22+00:00

Bepe

Guest


Great article - well said in the final paragraphs, footy can change quickly and many teams could lead the pack come September. Interestingly Liveladders.com has St Kilda & Hawthorn projected to finish 7th & 8th respectively - neither side got as much love from any projection mentioned in this article

2019-05-02T22:03:00+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Look out folks, Richmond might actually have to play a half decent team eventually. Form always appears better when you get to have wins over 15th, 16th and 18th on the ladder (Carlton, Sydney, Melbourne respectively). Even then your wins over Carlton and Melbourne were hardly impressive. If not for Carlton being asleep until they were 40 points down they'd have beaten you. They were the better side for 3/4 of the game. Your 85 points against Melbourne is the lower anyone has kicked against them other than Sydney and we know how garbage they are. The way your side is playing 2-5 in your remaining 7 games before your bye is quite possible.

2019-05-02T20:51:30+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Amazing how much changes in two months. Most had the Cats missing finals and a break even win/loss at best. How things have changed. Will be interesting to see how things look again in another six weeks. Hope my Cats are still sitting pretty.

2019-05-02T20:50:26+00:00

Big four sticks

Guest


Look out folks, because when Richmond get back to full strength, we will blitz the competition.

2019-05-02T19:04:53+00:00

Gyfox

Roar Rookie


Far too early to predict!

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