Who would you rather be right now? Melbourne, St Kilda or Carlton

By Justin Robertson / Expert

There’s four weeks remaining of the 2019 regular season and we can safely start to look at some of the teams that won’t make finals.

Some of the bottom eight sides have serious upside for 2020 (I’m looking at you North Melbourne), while other teams are still a question mark (yes, that’s you Gold Coast). But if you had to buy stock in one of the bottom eight football clubs, who would you back knowing what you know right now?

Who’s the closest to winning a flag?

I’ve gone back and forth on this a bit and the three bottom eight teams I think could win a flag in the next ten years (if not sooner) are Melbourne, Carlton and St. Kilda.

We know the Demons story: preliminary final last year to major flop this year. They still have a talented list so they should be able to get back to the lofty heights of their 2018 campaign and if they do we know their best is very good.

St.Kilda showed they can perform extremely well earlier in the season. They still have some gaps to fill, starting with a new head coach, but throw in three to four quality players and they would look like a team that could contend.

As for Carlton, forget what you saw for most of the year and focus on their 4-1 run in the last five weeks. Exciting results for a club looking to resurrect itself with a rampant Paddy Cripps at the helm.

No matter how many games these three teams win in the next month it won’t change their 2019 outcome. What they lack in depth they make up for with potential and raw talent.

Some might think this is a no brainer and that Melbourne look closer to a flag than Carlton and St. Kilda, but based on this year I’m not so sure about that.

No-one can predict the future but we’ve seen enough from the Demons, Saints and Blues to know that if they produce their best football and add some more parts along the way that one of these teams are closer to claiming a flag than the other two.

But which one would you bet on?

Let’s take a look.

Melbourne

No-one would have expected the Demons to be second last after a preliminary final berth in 2018. The fact is, they are now competing for a Wooden Spoon which is absolute madness.

Last year they were flag contenders and attacked the ball with a hunger that was scary. This year it’s like a team playing with lost souls. How did we get here?

The Good
The Demons continue to be one of the best teams at winning the ball and creating opportunities. They are ranked first in the AFL for centre clearances and third for contested possessions. You can thank superstars Clayton Oliver and Max Gawn for that.

They are also ranked second for hitouts and second for Inside 50 entries.

The Bad
It all comes down to effective touches for the Demons. Once they get the ball, which they are very good at, they cough it up.

They are ranked 16th for effective disposals and are the fourth highest turnover club. Is that because they lack true forward presence when they move forward of centre? Probably. Losing guys like Jesse Hogan and Mitch Clarke in recent years has hurt their forward set up.

Being ranked 16th for offence and 13th for contested marks tells us they haven’t been able to finish off good play and that they lack key position men around the ground.

Verdict
The Demons need to put some serious work into building a forward line by adding one, maybe two true forwards in the same vein as the Tigers who have Jack Riewoldt and Tom Lynch. This will provide the glue and the other forwards will thrive around those pillars.

Imagine Christian Petracca, Jake Melksham and Jayden Hunt being the third, fourth and fifth options instead of being the go-to guys? Unless they fix their forward line structure they won’t win a flag before the Saints or Blues.

St. Kilda

In 2016 they finished ninth and just missed out on finals. They haven’t been able to finish higher than that since then. This year though they’re setting their sights on a strong finish with Brett Ratten in charge.

It’s likely the Saints won’t play finals this year but what they achieved in 2019 will put them on a course for finals in 2020 and beyond.

The Good
It’s always tough to squeeze out the positives in a tough year, but the Saints can look at the things that ticked for them on the field. Like first-year defender Josh Battle who is averaging 14 touches in 15 games.

They have a great midfield dup in Jack Billings and Sebastian Ross, as well as two key forwards: Tim Membrey and Josh Bruce. They are ranked second for tackles and have been an effective team when they have the ball. All of these things count.

The Bad
The Saints have holes. But they also have injuries in all areas of the ground. This year they needed help getting their hands on the ball. For clearances, contested possessions and centre clearances they are ranked 10th, 14th and 11th respectively. And quite simply if you can’t win the ball you are going to struggle in other areas of the ground.

To be fair, they’re missing extremely important stock. They are missing Jack Steven (four games), Dan Hannebery, Jarryn Geary (five games), Paddy McCartin, Jake Carlilse, Dylan Roberton and others. Insert that lot into the mix and it’s almost a completely different team.

Verdict
It’s hard to read the 2019 version of St.Kilda. You have the 4-1 Saints who shot out of the blocks earlier this year.

Then there’s the Saints who went 2-9 after that initial run, a slide caused by a wave of injuries. But what we do know is that their core players do hold up and that their early season form was real.

If they can get their full team on the park, add a dominant ruck to feed their very good ball getters, and perhaps include one more quality tall forward (if Paddy McCartin is unable to overcome his concussion symptoms), they become contenders who are definitely winning a flag before the Demons.

But I’m not sure they can win one before the Blues as they have too many health concerns over vital players.

Carlton

At 1-10 after 11 rounds there wasn’t much to smile about for the Blues. But since Brendon Bolton’s departure they have won five of the last seven, including four of the last five. Things are looking up!

The Good
They’ve been good in the areas you think they’d be good at, according to their list: ranked fourth for clearances and fifth for contested marks.

Guys like Harry McKay, Jacob Weitering and Charlie Curnow have been exciting to watch and will be forces as they develop into key forwards that are hard to match up on. Patrick Cripps will win a brownlow one day.

And Sam Walsh, Zac Fisher are future stars.

The Bad
During their 1-10 phase it appeared that Cripps needed help in the midfield. They weren’t effective with the ball, they struggled to create inside 50 opportunities and they lost the contested possession count most weeks.

When the ball use from midfielders is impacted, that can in turn, throw off the forward line and its movement. Which was the case for Carlton. They haven’t been able to heap scoreboard pressure on during periods of dominant play until recently.

Verdict
Things look a lot better now than they did way back in Round 11, don’t they? The improved results has made their list look very enticing and now the raw talent and confidence is starting to emerge and grow.

Just how quickly can this club improve is a hard question to answer. But right now, on paper, their list seems more capable of winning a flag before the Saints and Demons.

They have youth, contested marking power, elite and emerging midfielders, good stoppers in defence. Filling the head coach role will become pivotal as to how quickly Carlton can trend upwards in 2020.

The Crowd Says:

2019-10-25T02:33:19+00:00

Steve

Guest


Because they don’t have the best young list take out your captain then they fall away quickly

2019-08-03T02:01:19+00:00

ChrisH

Roar Rookie


Yeah... can't make my mind up about Chris Scott... The other coaches rate him as most difficult to coach against... but he doesn't have a flag of his own doing (2011 was handed to him on a platter, anyone could have coached them that year and they would have won - and he's the first to admit it)... yet the Cats in the seven seasons since 2011 have had four top 4 finishes and not even made the GF. So maybe he is a Northey/Eade/Lyon type who just isn't quite good enough to get his team to a flag. Some coaches just seem to be like that. Almost but not quite good enough. If he can't get them there this year, questions will need to be asked. So... yeah... can see why you're skeptical.

2019-08-03T01:14:12+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


That mnakes no sense. What were you trying to say?

2019-08-03T01:09:47+00:00

Kane

Roar Rookie


I personally don't rate either of the Scott brother's so I wouldn't want Chris either. I wouldn't say no to Dimma but you can see that he will never leave Richmond for anywhere else. He loves the joint and they love him. I would be very surprised if he coaches anywhere else because he seems so invested in that place and he is Richmond.

2019-08-02T10:20:37+00:00

Cracka

Roar Rookie


Carlton has the best young list in the league, but can they produce?.... that's the question.

2019-08-02T08:28:26+00:00

ChrisH

Roar Rookie


Kane, what if Chris Scott or Hardwick were available? Dunno why they don't get talked about when Clarkson does.

2019-08-02T06:13:20+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


At least he won't be at the buy 13th Freo!!

2019-08-02T03:55:02+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Charlie Curnow will have moved to the Buy-a-Flag Hawks...

2019-08-02T03:15:49+00:00

ChrisH

Roar Rookie


Carlton, St Kilda, Melbourne.

2019-08-02T02:32:15+00:00

asd

Guest


Saints keep the carlton Ratt

2019-08-02T01:04:32+00:00

asd

Guest


Afl great if your a boofhead

2019-08-02T01:04:07+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


He would have been a tremendous like for like replacement for Ty Vickery

2019-08-02T00:55:11+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


Unfortunately, the Blues appear to be the closest to turning it around, even though I would personally prefer that they went at least another 20 years dishing up the performances of the sort we were treated to from rounds 2-11. I watched every single one and they were dead set hilarious! Just a shame it looks like it may turn around for them soon, but hope springs eternal that they somehow screw it all up again and have another generation of wooden spoons. I'll clear my tv recorder just in case...

2019-08-02T00:32:18+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Or they just might stay to celebrate all the flags they win.

2019-08-02T00:24:18+00:00

Chris

Guest


The Navy Blues are headed for premierships #17; #18 and #19 in the next ten years. They know how to win and have recruited intelligently. Lined up the goal to goal line and then gone for the runners. Top four and finals next year. They could win it, too!

2019-08-01T23:48:21+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


I’d rather be Carlton, if only because at least you’re following a club with passionate fans rather than a couple of absolute non-entities. Also because the amount of crap to feed back to the rest of Melbourne in coming years if Carlton come good would fill port philip bay

2019-08-01T23:07:32+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


I'd take the dogs list over all 3 but if I take my red, white and blue glasses off easily Carlton. The blues are close to putting it all together and becoming an insanely good side so lets enjoy their misery while it lasts. Saints are pathetically boring with a list of average players. The only real game breaking star I can think of is Billings, Melbourne has holes in their list, the midfield is ok but the forward line needs alot of work.

2019-08-01T22:28:27+00:00

MG

Roar Rookie


5 years. Most can't predict the top 8 next year let alone the Grand Final let alone 10 years. If it was 5 years, I'd definitely agree with the Carlton speculations.

2019-08-01T14:02:11+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Absolutely no way you will afford that list in 5 years. Cripps will have succumbed to a $2m/year offer, Walsh will be $1.5m. SPS will be whisked away, Weitering will have come of age and getting big offers... As for Casboult and Liam Jones...

2019-08-01T09:57:23+00:00

Neil from Warrandyte

Roar Rookie


If there’s not, the board needs sacking.

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