When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 1

By Marty Gleason / Roar Guru

Sometimes being the best is more of a feeling, a ‘vibe’ as they say. Usually it relates to being top of the ladder for a while. Maybe in our heads it can be like boxing: once you beat the man, you are the man.

The AFL is theoretically cyclical, so eventually everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame, right? Hopefully?

My caveats:
• Modern times, give or take.
• When each was sustainably the dominant team in the AFL over a timeframe. In principle, 22-day September runs are not enough for this discussion.
• I’m looking for when they were undisputed top dog, but will occasionally settle for being equally one of the best two.

Adelaide
Mid-2005 to mid-2006 (also Septembers 1997, 1998)
Main rivals: West Coast (direct), Sydney (indirect)

The 2006 Crows were the peak of tactical footy, playing as a zonal defending, counter-attacking style pioneered by Neil Craig.

It was also the game’s lowest moment for defensiveness, when footy’s entertainment value had been going downhill for a half-decade and people wondered if the sport would ever be attacking again.

2005 should have been theirs but the Crows dropped the ball in the finals. The Crow-bots streaked early 2006 but they are best remembered for two instructive losses. One was to uber-tactician Terry Wallace’s “basketball crap”, the pure short-passing and marking of the Tigers. The other was getting smashed by West Coast’s all-timer onballers as the 2006 finals approached. Era over.

Adelaide’s two ‘close but no doughnut’ preliminary finals against West Coast are niche classics from an era that Victorians pretend didn’t happen.

Brisbane
Definitely mid-2001 to mid-2003, debatably until end of 2004
Main rivals: Collingwood (direct), Port Adelaide (indirect)

The maybe greatest team of all time never finished top of the ladder. Fancy that anomaly.

I don’t have much to add about your Royal Fab Four-ness, except on timeframes. Brisbane were about equal first in 2001 (but evidently slightly better than Essendon), and untouchable through 2002 and ten games of 2003. After that, the comp basically caught up with them again.

At their best, in September 2003, they were untouchable again. Port Adelaide were basically at their level for most of the stretch, and the two finally had their full-stop showdown at the end.

The Lions played a great series of Collingwood matches over two years, including both grand finals. Narrow loss, narrow premiership win, crushing win against all the form guide, narrow finals loss which confirmed Brisbane as finished, crushing premiership win which confirmed they weren’t.

Former Brisbane Lions coach Leigh Matthews (AAP Image/Dan Peled)

Carlton
1995
Main rivals: Thin air, inconsistency (direct), Geelong, West Coast (indirect)

Carlton crushed the 1994 premiership Eagles by ten goals, and I remember Sam Newman saying Carlton would definitely win the flag that year.

So maybe this was a stretch with the right arguments, though I’m not convinced on ’93.

1995 is unarguable, probably the second-greatest single year ever from a club. I’m sure Blues people can still click their ’95 line-up off in their heads. David Parkin’s humility and intelligence – like Nathan Buckley 25 years later – makes the unbearable club bearable, briefly.

Collingwood
Mid-2010 to August 2011
Main rivals: Geelong

The funny thing about the 2010 Pies is that they kind of reset their team organically; 2010 was Year 1. Eight of their grand finalists had played 50 games or fewer. Sure, they could have won ten straight flags at that point, but sometimes life just goes like that – the world is change and friction.

Why didn’t Allen Jackovich or Adrian McAdam kick on? Why didn’t Amy Winehouse just have her third kid with me this year? Sometimes things don’t work out.

Once they beat Geelong in late 2010, they were the top dogs. They won all their finals by ten goals, except for that little chestnut called the grand final. So they ended 2010 far greater than the rest of the league, Milne bounces aside. Then once they lost to Geelong by 100 in late 2011, they lost the belt.

Side note: for skills and team performances, has there ever been a better, higher-skilled game than the 2011 grand final?

Essendon
Mid-1999 to mid-2001
Main rivals: Carlton

The greatest single year of all time. With only three exceptions, Essendon won all their games in 2000 by at least four goals.

In my humble, they were clearly the best team in 1999 too, even without James Hird. They beat North Melbourne even when Wayne Carey scored ten on them. Essendon basically lost the flag on just one of those days.

In 2001, their third consecutive minor premiership, Hawthorn were 8-0 and the Dons crushed them. The newspaper headline asked: “Who’s next, snarl Bombers”.

Brisbane were literally the next week. Poetic. Coming back to beat the Roos from 69 points down seemed to mark Essendon’s unending greatness but really turned out to be the end.

Fitzroy
Mid-1983

When you beat the top team (North Melbourne) 220-70 then you’re the best, if only for a couple of weeks. As usual, the team that crushed the dreams of the little people was Hawthorn, beating Fitzroy in a final by four points.

A win would have given the Roys a rematch with the Roos and a likely grand final spot.

Fremantle
Start to mid-2015
Main rivals: Hawthorn

The real glory time for the Dockers was late 2013, losing the grand final to the jittery Hawks while still on the up and inexperienced.

By 2015 Freo were slightly past it, but they won their first nine games of 2015, the last an epic Nat Fyfe versus Paddy Dangerfield win in Adelaide. Soon after, Freo were revealed as fake when Hawthorn beat them by 72 points.

Still, the Dockers won the minor premiership and all the hope of the Ross Lyon era was distilled into one home preliminary final against, again, double-premier Hawthorn.

Great season-long hype, great game, and great consequences after the loss, the 2015 prelim had it all.

Nat Fyfe (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Geelong
2007-08
Main rivals: Hawthorn, St Kilda, Collingwood

The Cats played three classic one versus two grand final showdowns over a four-year period. They were all awesome rivalries: their 2008 reversal to Hawthorn and subsequent refusal to ever lose to them again; their three prelims and one grand final against the Pies; and their set against St Kilda which included the greatest home and away match of all time in 2009.

Geelong were an aesthetically beautiful team to watch, dashing and tough.

The Cats overcame two 20-2 teams to win the 2009 and 2011 premierships. While awesome achievements, it makes it hard to definitively claim them as the absolute top dog of those years.

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Greater Western Sydney
Never

They’re young, but we thought they’d have got there by now. The Giants perhaps hit the summit on September 10, 2016, when they blew Buddy Franklin’s Sydney off the park in their first final. It took a superhuman effort by the Dogs to beat them.

GWS have been on a slow decline since then, if you go by home and away results, which I do when I want a long-term, statistical view of where a team is truly at.

To be continued…

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2020-05-14T02:11:08+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


I liked that North team a lot, their consistency come finals time the whole decade was almost legendary. One thing I read was that North was the only major premier of the decade who were not an elite defence, almost a throwback team in a way, although of course they had their strengths and strategies.

2020-05-13T09:33:37+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Again, the ball chose to be with the Cats as much as it chose to bounce away from Milne. It didn't want to validate Lyon.

2020-05-13T08:59:15+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Nope. The spoil on a stationery Ablett in the dying moments of 2009 let Scarlett toe poke. Slightly different angle and then the Milne bounce ...Lyon could have had two flags as easy as that .

2020-05-13T08:40:12+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Lyon got a ordinary team to the GF to his credit with players like Ballantyne, Dawson,Mayne,Suban,Pearce,Suttcliffe in particular plus others all failed miserably on the big stage he persevered with these players for years after along with Sheridan and a ageing champ in Johnson and persevered with injury prone players like Sandilands. He was always reluctant to give the younger kids exposure and his renovation was a disaster.Should never have had a contract extension.

2020-05-13T07:07:45+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


100% agree.

2020-05-13T07:07:23+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


I like to think the spirit of the game knew not to reward that plan with another flag after 05. Think about it. 1. 2009 - Tom Hawkins cannons the post and it's called a goal. A fairly crucial 6 points. 2. 2010 - The bounce of the ball in the main game, plus the even worse than predicted performance of Justin Koschitzke (who in essence, suited up for Collingwood that day). In the replay, Heath Shaw strapping on the afterburners to run down Riewoldt. 3. 2013 - Very, very wayward goal kicking costing Freo the chance to win the GF. Ross Lyon teams were never particularly accurate to begin with, but that was an even worse day. The spirit of football was offended in 05 when Paul Roos stole a flag in a tense but visually offensive grand final, it wasn't going to let it happen again. Some say it was the luck of the bounce, I reckon it was the ball saying "nuh uh. Only attacking teams can use me to win from now on".

2020-05-13T06:46:30+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


And yet Rossy’s disgusting game plan got him within an errant bounce of a premiership. Go figure.

2020-05-13T06:29:07+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


See it depends on what you go off, id it purely on ladder position or on the way the team played?. Freo may have won more games in 2015, but they were a far better side in 2013, they kicked themselves out of a flag.

2020-05-13T06:24:16+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


We did get McPharlin out of that trade at least.

2020-05-13T06:22:56+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


Damn I wish Croad had of nailed that, you might not have gotten rid of him to us and we may have gotten Hodge! I will say though at least it wasn't an absolute shocker as we still ended up with McPharlin. Trading away Mcleod for nothing though...…. unforgivable!

2020-05-13T06:19:48+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


There was a clear moment for me where I knew that season turned. I think we were 9-0 but were winning games kicking 10 goals (usually 6 in the first quarter then coasting through and hanging on by 2 or 3 goals). We finally got jumped by Richmond at Subi in round 10 and never really recovered. Hawthorn were the un disputed best team this year despite finishing 3rd. I really enjoyed 12,13 and 14 but 15 for me was the year I started to get really frustrated with Lyon and his game style and he never recovered. Role playes like Crowley, Ballantyne, Suban, Mayne etc started to lose their touch and by finals I don't really think we were in the hunt.

2020-05-13T06:14:37+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


AD, I always maintain we were a far better team in 2013 and even 2014 than in 2015. Our list got old and our game style got worse. 2013 is the one that got away but by 2015 we limped into the finals and I didn't hold out much hope. We had injuries, we were aging and if you want proof our percentage in 2015 was the lowest minor premier percentage ever. 2013 was our year but we blew it with trash kicking in a GF. The way they played against Geelong down there and then Sydney 2 weeks later was exceptional. We never got to that level in 2015, and whilst the margin of the slide surprised me, the fact we fell away did not.

2020-05-13T05:35:21+00:00

Munro Mike

Roar Rookie


1998....Prelim final.....heading into the GF....North clear favourites - we'd fended off the Doggies in a classic Rnd 22 top of the table end of season clash. We'd coasted through the finals - dispatching Essendon and Melbourne. We'd moved from end of Rnd 13 in 7th, 100.1% to 1 game clear on top, 117.4%. We won Rnd 14-22 and the 2 finals for 11 on the trot. However, the last 4 rounds and 2 finals were all night matches. We'd averaged 120 to 82 in that time. And taking on 5th placed Crows in the GF.....we'd be fine....alas.....a hot windy spring afternoon in Melbourne town. We may not have been outright best in '96 and '99......best doesn't always win a GF. Best doesn't always get there.

2020-05-13T03:01:42+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Repulsive, bit harsh, it’s just a game mang, chin up.

AUTHOR

2020-05-13T02:26:20+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Interesting about the percentages, I have heard that one before.

2020-05-13T02:20:04+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


Where did l say "definitely the best". But they were better than 4th and 5th. You'll find more flags from percentage wins than plate winners. ---- I will admit that stupid finals system helped them in 98 when they should've been eliminated week 1.

2020-05-13T00:36:16+00:00

Naughty's Headband

Roar Rookie


I think the flaw in your analysis is that it's very rare that a team is clearly better than all of the others. The only one that springs to mind for me is Essendon in 2000. That leaves not much room for an article so the rules need to be relaxed.

2020-05-12T23:00:58+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


http://www.hawkheadquarters.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=163 I just read a piece about that final, I can see why Hawks fans would be gutted. Sounds far worse than the 2016 go doggies umpiring in the grand final

AUTHOR

2020-05-12T22:58:24+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Haha, well I couldn’t just completely ignore teams winning premierships, that’s just far too hipster even for me. :stoked: You’ll notice I didn’t talk about those situations at length though.

2020-05-12T21:40:41+00:00

Naughty's Headband

Roar Rookie


My caveats: • Modern times, give or take. • When each was sustainably the dominant team in the AFL over a timeframe. In principle, 22-day September runs are not enough for this discussion. • I’m looking for when they were undisputed top dog, but will occasionally settle for being equally one of the best two. ...Then the very first club: "(also Septembers 1997, 1998)"

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