Seven talking points from NRL Round 17

By Scott Pryde / Expert

Another week of NRL has passed us by, and the finals are drawing closer. Here are my talking points from Round 17.

Something has to be done about crusher tackles
I won’t use the word epidemic to describe the plague of attacking players reversing into defensive lines in search of a penalty in recent weeks, but it’s not far away.

While crusher tackles are a legitimate danger in the game and must be penalised appropriately, some of the onus must be on attackers to not constantly put themselves in positions where such a tackle can be committed.

It’s not as if defending players are purposely committing these dangerous defensive plays every single time a penalty is blown, but more often than not, there is nowhere for them to go.

And that is the problem. It’s not the first time in recent years coaches have instructed their players to milk penalties. Remember the debacle surrounding the ball being passed into a defender who had cleared the ruck but was behind the play the ball?

It’s a black eye on the game, and this is no different, where the referee has to constantly stop play because pressure has been applied to the back of the neck and an attacking player stays down.

What makes it more infuriating is how often that same attacking player then gets back up and continues with the game.

The solution may be as simple as enforcing any player who stays down for a head or neck injury to go off for HIA test.

Regardless of whether the NRL go with that specifically or not, something must be done in a hurry to clean up this area of the game before it turns into a circus.

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If defence wins premierships, the Roosters can make it three
The Roosters may not have been at their free-flowing best on Saturday in Canberra, despite the efforts of James Tedesco who continues to go from strength to strength, but their defence won the day in the second grand final rematch of the year.

All the talk might have been about the return of Sonny Bill Williams leading into the game, but all the talk going out of it should be about how to break down the defence of the back-to-back reigning premiers.

The Raiders threw the kitchen sink and then some at the men from Bondi, but they answered every challenge thrown their way, at times almost with ease.

When a defence can actively cause mistakes through the pressure they put on, and do it consistently, it speaks volumes of the way they are coached, and the level of professionalism they play with.

Trent Robinson is a master of his craft, and while the Roosters have, at times, looked like they were losing the battle this year, they are finding form at the right time to make another charge at the premiership.

If they do win the competition, Sonny Bill Williams won’t be the reason why. Their defence will be.

And just quietly on their opposition, if Josh Papalii is injured for any length of time, it’s curtains for the Raiders.

(Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

We can start believing in South Sydney
It might have been a loss for the Rabbitohs in their statement game against the Storm on Friday evening, but they did more than enough to make all the premiership contenders sit up and take notice.

After a fortnight of whacking around the Sea Eagles and Eels, neither of whom are exactly playing well recently, they took on Melbourne and were in the game up to their neck during the first half.

In fact, if you had have stopped watching at halftime, you would have said South Sydney were the better side against the premiership favourites.

They may not have come out of the sheds after the halftime oranges and chat from Wayne Bennett, but they did more than enough to prove that, even without Latrell Mitchell, they could string a few good games together in October and cause headaches for the premiership hopefuls.

They will have to do it the hard way from the bottom four, but players like Thomas Burgess, Cameron Murray, Damien Cook and Cody Walker are all just starting to find form, while Alex Johnston has more than a few doubters to prove wrong about his ability to be a strong long-term fullback.

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The Knights should lock up Starford To’a
The Hunter has long been a rich breeding ground for NRL talent, and Starford To’a (okay, technically from Auckland) is just another coming through the Knights’ junior ranks.

The outside back has something special about him though, with his bigger frame and excellent acceleration and top speed setting him apart from many of the other young outside backs currently trying to force their way into first grade.

While there is no doubt the Knights have good talent in the outside backs in what would be considered their best 13, To’a has locked up a place of his own late in the season and should be aiming to keep it into next year.

When the 19-year-old’s contract expires at the end of the 2021 season, the Knights won’t be the only club aiming to lock up the long-term future of the young talent.

So the Knights should be jumping now, and trying to lock up the youngster long term.

He proved once and for all exactly how good he can be during the Knights big win over the Sharks on Friday evening. He might have crossed for a double, but he ran the ball strongly and held his own during what was an excellent defensive performance from the Knights.

Keen observers will understand this is just an extension of what he has produced all the way through the junior ranks, and with four tries in five games this season, he has announced himself to the rugby league world.

(Photo by Ashley Feder/Getty Images)

Kontoni Staggs shouldn’t be considered for Origin
This one is going to cop some criticism, but Kontoni Staggs is a one-way player who is not yet up to State of Origin level, particularly when he would be playing in sky blue ahead of some pretty good options in the backs.

Sure, he has all the attributes in attack to make punters sit up and take notice. He has strength, a great running game, some footwork, an outstanding fend and even goal kicking, but he simply doesn’t defend that well.

He misses a tackle for every eight he makes, which isn’t good enough in the centres, and he was at it again on Thursday in Brisbane’s improved performance against the Panthers, missing four and being responsible for a handful of Penrith points.

The problem lies that, while he can get away with it at club level because the team around him isn’t playing well, and his attack is one of Brisbane’s only highlights, he will get shown up badly at Origin level.

Attack is important, but in big games, as Staggs will no doubt find out, defence is what wins matches. He doesn’t have it, either in technique or reading of plays.

Add that to a short camp where time to work on combinations is limited, and it’d be a recipe for disaster.

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It’s all downhill after Manly’s starting props
The Sea Eagles had seemed to answer all the problems to their front-row depth during the 2019 season. It was a constant headache during 2018, that when Addin Fonua-Blake and Martin Taupau went for a spell on the bench, they went from a team of world-beaters to… Well, whatever the opposite of that is.

And it happened big time against the Tigers. They looked like a completely different side based on whether they had those starting props on the field or not.

The numbers from the high-scoring encounter tell you all you need to know, with Fonua-Blake and Taupau both running for well north of 100 metres. The only other forward to crack a century was Curtis Sironen in the second row, although it took him all of 21 runs to make 142 metres.

Fonua-Blake and Taupau meanwhile both averaged north of ten metres per run, and also racked up the post-contact metres. That is something which can’t be said of the rest of the bench, who all struggled to make a dent in the Tigers’ forward pack.

Manly might have faced an injury crisis this year, but it’s a problem they will have to rectify before 2021 rolls around.

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Valentine Holmes will be great again
The argument could be made that he once already was. Then he went to the NFL.

Since returning to the NRL and the struggling North Queensland Cowboys, and between his injuries, he has struggled to get back to the level he was at before he left.

However, Sunday night’s performance was a strong one from Holmes. He was superb from the outset in the Cowboys eventual golden point win over the Dragons, kicking the winning field goal when it was all said and done.

Outside of that moment though, he had almost 200 metres, a try, a trio of conversions, and constantly threatened the Dragons line with his ball running.

While he is also still adjusting to playing fullback regularly, it’s clear Holmes is the man the Cowboys must build their future around if they are to get back to the level the club should be performing at, given the talent up and down their roster.

Holmes can be a bonafide superstar again in this competition. It just needs time and support.

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The Bulldogs have all but locked up the spoon
It’s something of a shame, because they don’t deserve it, but Saturday’s loss to the Titans ensures the Bulldogs are going to wind up at the bottom of the table in three weeks’ time.

It was a tough one to take for Canterbury, who again just didn’t have the class to get over the line.

It seems to be a running trend for the blue and white, who have made moves in the market to bring in players for 2021, but none which would overly excite fans about their ability to turn around a long-term drought when it comes to scoring points.

Blake Green would have been a strong option if not for his ACL injury, but the Bulldogs need big change if they are to stop sitting at the wrong end of the NRL table next season under Trent Barrett, who himself doesn’t have a proven coaching record, although now has spent a considerable chunk of time in a successful system at the Panthers under Ivan Cleary.

That may be the biggest boost for their chances heading into next year, but it’s not going to save the embarrassment of being smacked with the spoon at the end of this season, given their final three games see them play Manly, Souths and the Panthers.

The Crowd Says:

2020-09-08T11:13:11+00:00

a

Roar Rookie


I still think Bulldogs can beat Manly

2020-09-08T03:37:10+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


If the Morris boys have definitely retired from rep footy, I would adjust my pecking order for the 2020 SOO to the incumbent centres in Wighton ( assuming Cleary & Keary are the halves) and Turbo ( assuming he is back) , followed then if required by Lomax, Best, Stephen Crichton & Staggs. Depending on performances during the finals series there might be some changes to my centre pecking order, and I'm not sure that will enhance or diminish the chances of Lomax or Staggs ?

2020-09-08T03:09:46+00:00

Bunney

Roar Rookie


Scraping the bottom of the barrel there Albo. Turbo and Wighton are locks barring injury, and then it's Lomax, Staggs and Best in the next tier. The Morris boys and Crichton won't even be considered. As a Qld'er, I'll be happy for Staggs not to be selected.

2020-09-08T03:09:30+00:00

Nelson Sing

Roar Guru


Hopefully Parra can get their act together before finals time. They seem like 6th best team right now

2020-09-08T00:10:42+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Yes I agree as it should be in the same category as the “finger nail tries”! These blatant forward passes (and I’m not saying this because it was against us) as for the life of me (and for over well 65 years that I’ve followed RL) the NRL has spent many millions on bunkers, refs and whatever else you can imagine but are still continuing to allow a simple forward passes to go unnoticed and/or decide games, that is just unbelievable!

2020-09-07T23:14:08+00:00

Rob

Guest


Hopa got sent for a shoulder charge I’m pretty sure. No research needed it was the end of his career I think. There have been plenty of blokes sent for jumping into blokes attacking the head I just couldn’t be bothered listening them all. You only required on example.

2020-09-07T19:33:08+00:00

Sam

Guest


No you don't get sent for that, you get put on report and suspended. Townsend is the only player in history to be sent for it, prove me wrong and find me another player who has been sent off for the same thing. I'll wait....

2020-09-07T12:36:17+00:00

King in the north

Roar Rookie


Scott – that opening was brilliant: ‘ I won’t use the word epidemic to describe the plague….’ bahahaha :laughing: The plague is/was a pandemic , like COVID – way worse than a mere epidemic. Very funny! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

2020-09-07T12:28:35+00:00

nerval

Guest


If I don't remember why don't you tell me? And then explain its pertinence to the topic at hand?

2020-09-07T11:30:06+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Oh well then if nerval didn't remember...

2020-09-07T11:01:03+00:00

nerval

Guest


No.

2020-09-07T10:58:20+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


You don't recall the Djibouti references from the first round post covid resumption?

2020-09-07T10:44:54+00:00

Rob

Guest


Not sure what you’re watching but Townsend launches at Ponga with zero effort to make a legitimate tackle. Ponga is not bent over and the top of Townsend’s shoulder is level with the top of Ponga’s Head. You get sent for that crap 99 times out of 100. Brain snap correct decision.

2020-09-07T10:18:47+00:00

nerval

Guest


I like Lomax. I'm a Dragons supporter. He's a level below Staggs. The Morris twins have retired from rep football. Crichton is a back-rower. Best is special but more limited. And Staggs is better even than Tommy T. I know the latter did well in his school exams and is a nice guy and no one can say anything even remotely critical about him but in terms of sheer natural talent Staggs is superior. Latrell Mitchell, of course, is up another notch from either.

2020-09-07T10:14:10+00:00

nerval

Guest


When measuring "consistency" it seems to me that the word has a different definition when applied to Latrell Mitchell. You see, the latter's ceiling is so high - so much higher than even very good players such as Tommy T - that, unless he makes 5 lung-busting runs a game, each covering 90 yards, while side-stepping, swerving around and bull-dozing half-a-dozen elite defenders on the way - his performance is classed as disappointing, under-par or inconsistent. Because of the nature of his talent, he is adjudged differently and far, far more harshly. And so what that Freddie dropped him last year? How does that gainsay anything? His performance in game 1 was no worse than a dozen other Blues but he's become an easy target for a popular press that hates him and what he stands for. The game is easy to re-watch on youtube. You'll have to ask our man sushi what the hell he's referencing Djibouti for...

2020-09-07T10:08:05+00:00

Pickett

Roar Rookie


Is me asking for their names to be put under their photo's too demanding Spruce Goose?

2020-09-07T09:36:20+00:00

Ja ja klazo

Guest


But if Keary moved to the side on the weekend it would have been a try, what's he meant to do?

2020-09-07T09:25:44+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


But watching the video Pongas head is his first point of contact with the ground..hit him high in the chest but he’s landed him on his head..reckless, dumb and irresponsible..same with the sides captain, picks up a bloke and spears him..would ya do that ?

2020-09-07T09:16:04+00:00

Greg

Guest


He jumped about 10cm off the ground, Ponga was bent down and it still hit him in the chest. That is the only thing that matters, not the fact it could have done damage. You can line someone up with a king hit but if it doesn't connect you have no case to answer even though that is also reckless and dangerous. Sam is right - CT is literally the only player in history to be sent off for a shoulder charge to the chest.

2020-09-07T09:11:36+00:00

Greg

Roar Pro


I'm very much not a Storm supporter and whilst I think it was slightly forward it wasnt 'a blatant forward pass'. Can definitely understand it being let go and so marginal not even Souths fans should be outraged

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