The top ten Collingwood fictions going around

By Les Zig / Roar Guru

I might be a gripe, but I try to be an honest gripe.

That’s why the fictions that get pushed as part of the Collingwood narrative irritate me.

Already memories have faded. Everything’s going swimmingly at Collingwood. There is nothing to see here.

Blah, blah.

I might’ve covered some of this stuff here and there, I might’ve shouted some of it into the wind, but I’ve never put it all in one place.

So here they are – the top ten fictions that are peddled as post-trade rationales. Like any shoddy construction, they’re not hard to push over.

10. The club know what they’re doing
Why? Administrators make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes. Players make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. Yet I’m meant to believe the club is infallible.

And I state this point not in relation to the salary cap or the trade period or to condemn the club but just as a general truth: clubs do make mistakes.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

9. The salary cap management was part of a list management strategy
Was it?

So Collingwood built this list knowing that after four years of missing out in finals they were going to contend in 2018? They must be clairvoyant. Nobody else saw it coming. Then again, maybe they believe that of every season, which makes them something else.

Or once they contended in 2018, they back-ended to keep the list together to keep their window open, er, one more year?

Or the assembly of a super-duper list – with an American rookie at full-forward, a rookie defender at centre-half forward and a halfback flanker as the fullback (this is not screaming super list) – was years in the planning and helped Collingwood terrorise the league for two seasons?

You cannot spin this to so it makes sense. This is a blatant misdirect.

If you apprise it honestly, the back-ending to keep the list together for contention doesn’t wash simply, because surely Collingwood couldn’t have predicted 2018’s meteoritic rise and that subsequently they weren’t in contention very long.

Now if they cite reasons for depriving this super-duper list of true longevity and ongoing contention, they need to be looking at their coaches for a failure of execution.

If they cite the AFL’s cuts as the motivator, well, we know Collingwood were already having list management issues as little as a season earlier, when they moved out James Aish and tried to trade out Matt Scharenberg to alleviate salary cap pressure.

In no way does this qualification hold true under scrutiny.

(Photo by Paul Kane/Getty Images)

8. Collingwood won on draft night: part 1
How exactly? Because they took a swath of youngsters?

You can only argue Collingwood (or any club) won on draft night if they got a return that far outweighed their investment.

After Collingwood’s disastrous trade period, supporters (and media) have bought into Collingwood salvaging their list management woes with their cunning maneuvering.

It’s like Collingwood traded out four players, took that one first-rounder they acquired, traded it for four other picks and then netted all their targets.

Um, no.

They were able to cut a swathe out of the draft using 2021’s booty – namely their first-round pick. That’s what truly got things going. So they didn’t win anything.

They did what they’ve done too regularly – used their future to address their present to cover their past. It’s a strategy that’s already repeatedly bitten them but, hey, the outcome looks great as a public relations exercise, doesn’t it?

7. All clubs lose players
They do. But it’s important to apply context.

Hawthorn traded out ageing 30-something champions after their three-peat.

Richmond have staggered departures of coverable players after each flag.

The Giants regularly lose players, although often this is due to either a homesickness factor and/or a lack of opportunity given the list has (in the past) overflowed with same-aged talent.

Essendon lost three guns: Joe Daniher, Adam Saad, and Orazio Fantasia. But all three wanted to leave – two of them had already pursued opportunities the year before they were traded out.

Collingwood is the first club I’ve ever seen drive three players out who wanted to stay.

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6. Strategies change
This was asserted at the virtual members forum, and that’s fine. Strategies do change. Clubs have to adapt. We want our clubs to be able to adapt and improvise and show flexibility.

But signing three players to big and long contracts only to then do an immediate about-face strategy screams of shortsightedness, poor planning and administrative volatility that you don’t want to be the standard at the club.

“Standard?” you might question.

Hey. We’re not talking about just one player we can excuse as an exception. We’re talking about three players. That’s a big sampling.

You also have to factor in that if they got these three players wrong – either in bringing them to the club or in signing them to big, long contracts – how can we have any confidence in the other contracts?

Fourth-time lucky? Well, we know they’ve given Brodie Grundy a huge seven-year deal (which begins this year), so the club is given to largesse.

As a Collingwood supporter I’m going to feel very tentative about list management over the next five years.

Adam Treloar (Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

5. Your tune would be different if Collingwood had won a flag
But they didn’t.

Also, if you buy into this fallacy, are you truly happy with this ‘all-in’ approach that involves heavy back-ending to keep a list together for the narrow window of contention of just two years as an all-or-nothing approach to winning a flag?

If we look at the clubs that have had dynastic success this millennium – Richmond, Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane – not one of them overloaded the cap to the extent it burst, undermining their short and mid-term goals by having to commit costly fire sales.

I would want the club to build a list that the cap can sustain over a prolonged period, just as the aforementioned did. If we lose players after repeated success, I’ll be fine with that.

But this ‘strategy’ of losing players for below value after a narrow window of contention is a crock and should be treated, remembered and vilified as a crock.

Jaidyn Stephenson (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

4. You’re too negative
I throw this in here because I get this. But, you know, on this occasion I’m not a lone dissenter either in the criticism or in still being riled about it.

In a previous life I used to run writing and editing workshops. One thing I taught participants is that if you get the same feedback from two people, that’s likely going to be representative of a broader demographic, so take it under serious consideration regardless how much the participant might disagree with that feedback.

While I appreciate that in the age of social media and the internet we have trolls and the like, others are rationally and logically articulating their opinions.

There is enough of a chorus that they should be taken seriously.

If they’re dismissed on blind faith, then only disaster remains.

Tom Phillips. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

3. Collingwood won on draft night: part 2
In 2012 Collingwood drafted Brodie Grundy, Ben Kennedy, Tim Broomhead and Jackson Ramsey. Three of those players were taken in the top 20.

Only Grundy remains.

Go back to 2004 and Richmond drafted Brett Deledio (1), Richard Tambling (4), Danny Meyer (12), Adam Pattison (16) and Dean Polo (20). They also skipped on the likes of Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen, Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis. The only Richmond acquisition to build a career was Deledio. Those others Richmond passed on all had long and distinguished careers.

Drafting remains an inexact science. Everybody looks a great prospect. That’s why they go where they do in the draft. But then you have to contend with reality.

Time becomes the best measure, and as far as Collingwood goes, well, let’s revisit this in five years.

Just because they drafted players doesn’t mean that every player is going to be a champion. And if this is a crop that bombs, Collingwood’s list-management hole grows even bigger.

Brodie Grundy (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

2. The players they traded out are replaceable
They might be. That doesn’t change the fact that all three were starters, though.

Also, Collingwood’s list unfortunately has a lopsidedness about it. There’s an experienced top end, a wealth of inexperienced players and a dearth in the middle.

Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Phillips were part of that middle. Even with their exaggerated flaws they still provided an invaluable service for the team.

They were experienced bodies, part of the next wave of leaders, and each had talents – although some would like to denigrate them now to the extent they were all liabilities and we’re lucky to be rid of them.

Not the case.

Their departures effectively mean three inexperienced players now have to fill these roles – this is on top of the typical evolution that happens at teams with one generation gradually replacing the next and youth expected to cover for injuries.

It’s a reliance on a lot of inexperience.

(Photo by Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

1. Collingwood is aiming at a mini-rebuild so they can contend around 2023
It’s not a static game.

Let’s also remember that COVID wiped out the lower leagues in 2020, so players who should’ve been getting experience in the reserves and possibly the occasional look into the seniors did very little of that.

Now, while somebody like Josh Daicos might’ve shown he has plenty to offer and got another AFL season’s worth of experience, veterans like Scott Pendlebury, Jeremy Howe, Levi Greenwood, Chris Mayne, Steele Sidebottom and Jordan Roughead also got another year older.

Which of these guys will still be around in 2023?

Arguably they’ll all be gone. This opens up new holes.

So while some problems might be solved as the next generation (hopefully) get their 40 to 50 games under their belts, other problems will be cropping up.

This also doesn’t factor in whatever attrition those mid-aged players suffer. Will Grundy still be an athletic dynamo? Will Taylor Adams still play with that selfless fearlessness? Lots of new questions arise.

Some might point out free agency and trading.

Well, you have to give something in trading, and Collingwood are now thin on draft selections. How many players can be added through free agency?

Conclusion
None of this is intended as an exercise in pessimism, but an expression of pragmatism.

A nifty draft haul doesn’t solve all of Collingwood’s issues on and off the field, and it shouldn’t be used out of a get out of jail free card for all the problems exhibited and all the questions asked.

While some might suggest the past should be let be and to get on with the present and all that, I’m still wary because there hasn’t been a genuine acknowledgement of mistakes.

I’m overjoyed with the appointment of Graham Wright as general manager. Here’s somebody from a successful and ruthless culture who can apply a fresh perspective to the club.

The club need it, and they need to face hard truths moving forward.

The Crowd Says:

2021-01-21T06:38:11+00:00

Flagpies

Roar Rookie


It's the attempt to insult the intelligence of us fans that grates, if they just show some transparency and own up to the debacles they'd earn some respect. For now they can GAGF.

2021-01-21T06:35:00+00:00

Flagpies

Roar Rookie


And what are those recent bragging rights you speak of? Haven't flagged in a decade and only 3 in 6 decades, how is that something to brag about? That's more akin to keeping your mouth shut until you have something to brag about. That's what really grates about this club, has THE highest profile of any sporting organisation in the country yet it is not earned. Nah shut your mouth Collingwood unit you earn it, it's an embarrassment.

2021-01-21T06:29:50+00:00

Flagpies

Roar Rookie


And? So what? It's from a Pie faithfuls position, has every right to vent, yet here you are reading it and then commenting on it.

2021-01-21T06:28:01+00:00

Flagpies

Roar Rookie


Look forward to what exactly? If it's anything to do with Collingwood there ain't much to look forward to. Mnup, let the frustration out I say, Les, myself and 100's of 1000's of other Pie faithful have had enough of the sh*tshow that is Collingwood.

2021-01-21T06:24:54+00:00

Flagpies

Roar Rookie


And how the club manages to totally misuse the advantages they have is criminal! Fair dinkum, if they could be charged with it they'd be guilty as sin!

2021-01-21T04:01:09+00:00

George Apps

Roar Rookie


Eddie's going and hopefully Buckley with him!

2021-01-21T02:59:37+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


He would have the respect of the wider footballing community, instead he appears to be too tolerant of abuse directed at his players.

2021-01-20T10:30:11+00:00

Paul Francis

Roar Rookie


Spot on. I'm still cranky from a logical point of view, because we did was fundamentally shithouse football and business wise and no amount of spin can cover it up.

2021-01-20T10:19:29+00:00

Greg

Roar Rookie


Criticism is a very valuable thing but little understood. It can be seen a whingeing, carping, argumentative, harsh, or unwarranted. When I read Les's columns I appreciate them because he explains his reasoning and in his own way makes suggestions. To improve the performance of the Club, you have to put your supporter's heart aside, leave it for the ground or the pub. The great Melbourne club coach Norm Smith barracked for Collingwood (his biography) when the machine won premierships on the trot. He based his game plan along similar lines. Melbourne won dominated the late fifties and early sixties. Unfortunately, Nathan Buckley for the majority of his time has coached the team to play the most miserable style of football I have ever seen a Collingwood side play. We need a change and as Eddie has decided to pass the baton, we need someone who has the football equivalent of a field marshall's baton in his kitbag. Graeme Wright is a good start but it can't stop there. Norm Smith's teams were ruthless, the machine was ruthless, for Collingwood to be successful they must become ruthless too. Only then can we go to the ground and back to the pub with pride.

2021-01-20T09:39:37+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


The biggest mistake Collingwood made was with thier contracts, it's mind boggling how they put Treloar on 900 000 a year and Stephenson on 500 or 600 000, crazy. losing Treloar isn't their biggest loss in my opinion, he is a damn good player, but also a player type that they hsve enough off, they won't feel that loss so much except when they have to pay him. Stephenson is bigger mainly because of his age. had a great 2018, did'nt have a proper go of it in 2019 because the idiot gambled and got done, and 2020 he didn't handle the hubs well, he is one of many, he could have easily bounced back and been another 40-50 goal forward for the Pies in 2021, instead they lose a young talented forward from an already average forward line and get very little in return. Apart from that they did well in the draft. they secured some decent talent before having to bid on their acadamy player, they should be happy. I doubt they'll play finals in 2021 but I coud easily be wrong, their list isn't terrible.

2021-01-20T09:14:03+00:00

2dogz

Roar Rookie


Pendles would lose lifetime financial benefits from the Pies if he spoke out though

2021-01-20T03:46:09+00:00

Chanon

Guest


Hi Les l love how you keep Collingwood honest & true your comments are always heart on sleeve, fortunately you have seen two premierships regardless of the many grand final losses, keep the articles coming!

2021-01-19T09:51:30+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


I couldn’t deliver 12 articles since November that’s for sure.

2021-01-19T09:22:16+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


Its official PTS you have lost the tag of propaganda pete,there is a new sheriff in town

2021-01-19T09:07:12+00:00

2dogz

Roar Rookie


Ed and Bucks love for Bucks would be equally as strong. They both have Bucks pictures as screensavers

2021-01-19T08:26:36+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Young Figjam always had an appreciation of his importance. Empathy was never his forte. He was lucky Ed loved him more than he did which is a lot.

2021-01-19T08:14:22+00:00

MarkD

Guest


No they wouldnt. They all want a premiership . Also I reckon for most coaches who have inherited a premiership side, that a GF appearance and a couple of prelims would be a bare minimum

2021-01-19T07:47:51+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


Except it’s not, these are perfectly justifiable criticisms of a coach who has gone mad with power. I’m sure bucks is lovely but his single minded pursuit of a premiership has been to the detriment of his players

2021-01-19T07:42:53+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


While I do think collingwood ought to be commended on a very good draft haul, I believe that is more out of luck than anything else that drove them forward. I am exceptionally disappointed my bombers didn’t try to be more aggressive with their trio of top 10 selections, yes McInnes probably wasn’t good enough for the top ten but the pies would be kicking themselves he went as low as he did. I think so egregious the failings collingwood have had this year that they need to acrimoniously fire Nathan and Eddie maguire. I’m also disappointed in the on field leadership, Pendles should be fronting up to the press putting the ball in the administrations court at collingwood.

2021-01-19T06:55:24+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Thanks Boo. Like the Vic Government, hopefully for Collingwood's sake they have properly addressed their mistakes in-house. But a lack of remorse, acknowledgement and transparency doesn't help fill their supporters or the public with faith.

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