Top ten 2021 Collingwood wish list

By Les Zig / Roar Guru

Here are ten things I’d like to see from Collingwood in 2021.

10. A new captain
Collingwood’s list rejuvenation is a proclamation they’re moving into a new era. And, with that being the case, they should look at a new group to spearhead that journey.

Scott Pendlebury has been captain since 2014, is now Collingwood’s record games’ holder, holds the most games as captain, and is the team’s oldest player. While many pose he could play another couple of years, at that age things can finish quickly – and unexpectedly.

Taylor Adams won Collingwood’s Best and Fairest last year, but impressed most with his leadership. Outside of his ferocity in the contest, witness the little things he does, like signalling for his teammates to come in for celebrations when Mason Cox kicked a goal in his return game.

He also doesn’t fear the big occasion. I would suggest he was Collingwood’s best in the 2018 grand final loss, and one of the few shining lights when Geelong smashed Collingwood in the 2020 Qualifying Final.

Players such as Darcy Moore, Brodie Grundy, Jack Crisp, and Brayden Maynard should be anointed vice-captains.

Pendlebury doesn’t need the title to be a leader, while Collingwood could benefit from giving the middle tier the added responsibility.

9. Injuries
Injuries have become so commonplace at Collingwood that they’re now the default condition. I know so many fellow fans who are unsurprised when somebody goes down (either in a game, or mid-week), or fails to return in the projected date.

The club has repeatedly been queried on their injuries. The training surface has been questioned. Eddie McGuire has defended it stoutly. The club claims there’s nothing amiss.

Are we just that unlucky? I find that hard to believe given the body of evidence is nine years.

It may be a combination of things – as an example, it might be the training surface, combined with the training regimen, combined with the game plan, combined with the recovery.

Something is happening. Numbers don’t lie.

It’d be nice to have one year under Buckley that isn’t compromised by a spate of injuries, or another young brigade of potential stars undermined by recurring soft tissue problems.

8. The Midfield Evolution
Back in their 2002–03 grand final assaults, Collingwood’s midfield comprised Nathan Buckley, Scott Burns, Paul Licuria, and Shane O’Bree.

As they entered their final years in 2006–08, the concern was who would replace them.

Dane Swan was a lucky find low in the draft. The likes of Scott Pendlebury and Dale Thomas were high picks. Throw in Luke Ball, and then a support crew that complemented them.

The transition from one quality midfield to the next was seamless – arguably, this midfield was actually better. Pendlebury is the real find there – a genuinely elite mid who replaced Buckley, lead the group, has had a long career, and had talent around him.

Going into 2021, the transition to next generation’s midfield isn’t as seamless.

Taylor Adams is the primary driver. Jordan de Goey, who’ll be 25 in March, remains a tease. We all know he has the potential. Will he develop the consistency? Josh Daicos matured last year, but at this formative stage of his career, consistency might remain a concern. The departures of Adam Treloar, Tom Phillips, and Jaidyn Stephen deprive the midfield of depth.

As there’s no Pendlebury or Thomas coming through, and no Luke Ball who’s been acquired, hopefully Collingwood begin looking laterally at their options.

Two players who I believe have midfield potential are Brayden Maynard and Isaac Quaynor – both dashing defenders with raking kicks. It’d be nice to see such players dashing through the middle and driving the ball long into F50.

While Collingwood has, at time, experimented with Jack Crisp as a run-with player, I would rather see Maynard and/or Quaynor get the nod to add a new dimension to a midfield that currently looks shallow, one-paced, inexperienced, and under-skilled.

7. On-field consistency
The 2018 season aside, you never know what you’re going to get with Collingwood.

Go back to 2014–17, and they would beat a Top-4 team one week, and lose to a Bottom-4 team the following week.
I’m a big critic of the 2019 season, despite Collingwood getting within a kick of making the grand final.

The preliminary final is endemic of the way Collingwood played throughout most of the year: scrappy, purposeless, error-laden football for the bulk of the game, punctuated by a burst of exhilarating cohesiveness.

That was the methodology for much of the home and away season – as demonstrated by unconvincing victories over the Bulldogs (twice), Melbourne (twice), St Kilda (once), and Carlton (once).

They couldn’t even manage that in their Round 11 clash against Fremantle. Collingwood were 2nd on the ladder, Fremantle 8th. Given it was at the MCG, it’s a game you’d pencil Collingwood in to win. Nope. Collingwood never got out of neutral. The four-point margin flattered them.

Even though some of the lacklustre performances in 2020 can be attributed to the congested fixture, they still had a number of these spasmodic performances: e.g. kicking four goals to zero against Richmond in the first quarter, and then kicking only one more goal for the game; smashing St Kilda and kicking ten goals in a half, then only two in the second half; five goals in the first quarter against Hawthorn and then only three more goals – well, the examples are there.

This is about more than the game itself changing, e.g. the opposition adjusting, strategies adapting, players tiring, etc., to make it more of an even contest, or to limit Collingwood’s scoring.

Collingwood has a genuine problem with their on-field identity.

Ten years into Buckley’s tenure, it shouldn’t remain the rule, rather than the exception.

The Magpies need to be as consistent as Nathan Buckley’s jawline. (Photo by Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

6. Don’t sacrifice Will Kelly / Darcy Moore up forward
Will Kelly’s one game – comprising three quarters – was in Collingwood’s 2020 Round 6 32-point win over Hawthorn, playing as a tall forward. He suffered an injury late in the game and missed the rest of the season.

His name has been bandied about as being an important cog in Collingwood’s future. I’d be concerned about expecting a 20-year-old to hold down a key-forward slot at Collingwood – especially the way Collingwood deliver the ball. Also, much of Kelly’s two seasons so far have been lost to injury, so he hasn’t had the ideal development.

Hopefully, Collingwood can pump games into him without burdening him – or breaking him by asking him to shoulder CHF and become one of their key targets.

It would make more sense to put that burden on the supremely talented 25-year-old Darcy Moore. Moore’s played 89 games, has two full seasons behind him (after an injury-ridden 2018), and was an All Australian last season. He is ripe to take on more responsibility, and we know he has the talent.

Kelly, at just 20, with three quarters behind him and only two years in the system, could slot into CHB, where he could gain an apprenticeship playing on opposition young guns. He would also have the likes of Jordan Roughead and Jeremy Howe there to help out.

We’ve seen young guns hold down key defensive slot and excel. Look at Adelaide’s Tom Doedee in 2018. It’s the nature of the role – being led to the ball by their opponent, usually punching rather than marking, and being part of a defensive zone that can cover inexperience.

But up forward, younger players tend to be sporadic, and the responsibilities (particularly standing under a ball, being expected to mark as two or three opponents converge) demand a heavier toll.

5. Some adventurousness in selection
While 2020 wasn’t ideal with the hub restrictions, I’m sure I wasn’t the only Collingwood supporter bemused by the club’s continuing faith in underperformers.

Callum Brown looked a likely prospect in 2018, showing sure hands and composure in traffic. But his form devolved through 2019, and was outright scratchy in 2020. He could’ve benefited from being given a spell, rather than persevering with him at the highest level where the pressure exacerbated his issues.

Josh Thomas and Will Hoskin-Elliott had quiet seasons. While Thomas was dropped, he soon found his way back into the seniors, but showed little improvement.

From his 14 games, Thomas averaged five kicks, 5.6 handballs, 2.1 tackles, and kicked 4.4. Hoskin-Elliott played 18 games, and averaged 6.8 kicks, four handballs, .9 tackles, and kicked 11.8.

Comparatively, Jaidyn Stephenson played 14 games, averaged 6.1 kicks, 3.4 handballs, 1.8 tackles, and kicked 14.10, yet he was condemned as having a bad year and was traded out.

But this is why football clubs have lists. If there are injuries, or players are out of form, you drop them for alternatives. They fight to earn their spots back. The alternatives get exposure, gain experience, and (hopefully) develop. The player dropped gets space to try rediscover touch (although, admittedly, that was hard in 2020).

Collingwood has often seemed stodgy with their selections, sticking with underperformers, whereas surely everybody concerned – the out-of-form players, the replacements, and the team – would benefit from the change.

And, simply, it’s good to have selection pressure to keep incumbents striving for their best.

4. Mason Cox as a forward
As a layman, I would’ve thought the best use of the 211cm Mason Cox is to anchor him to the goal-square, and plant two crumbers at his feet.

Then – as Collingwood did in the first quarter of the 2020 Elimination Final against West Coast – get the ball in quickly as possible to give him the best chance for a one-on-one. If he doesn’t mark, then hopefully the crumbers can capitalise on the spillage.

Nope.

Cox either seems to play higher up in the F50, or he’s dragged up there, where his lack of pace and mobility is exposed. He doesn’t have the endurance of somebody like Travis Cloke, who was at his best sweeping up to the wings, and out-running and out-lasting his opponent.

Also, Collingwood’s strategy seems to be to move the ball slowly, wait until the opposition have flooded back, and then boot the ball in haphazardly. If they can manage it (and they usually do, with startling regularity) they kick it to disadvantage, e.g. they’ll wrong-side their teammate and kick it directly to the defender.

Cox is then expected to out-mark opponents, even when they outnumber him two-to-one, or even three-to-one. Sometimes, opponents impinge his run at the contest, taking him out of it before he can get to the ball. This isn’t unique to Cox, either. Collingwood let this happen to Travis Cloke, too, and vastly dampened his efficacy.

If Collingwood intend to persevere with Cox as a forward, then they need to develop a strategy to maximise his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses.

The way Collingwood play him, they depreciate his strengths and exploit his weaknesses.

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3.The ruck–midfield synergy
Go back to the 2018 grand final loss: the hit-out count was (Collingwood) 57 to (West Coast) 29. Brodie Grundy amassed 49 taps against Scott Lycett’s 15, and Nathan Vardy’s 14. And yet the Eagles dominated the midfield.

It was a recurring issue through 2019 to the extent that Grundy seemed to grow frustrated and either tapped it to himself, or grabbed it out of the ruck and played-on.

But it wasn’t highlighted as an issue until the 2019 preliminary final, where the hit-out count was (Collingwood) 78 to 16 (GWS), with Grundy scoring 73 of those hit-outs. And yet GWS smashed Collingwood in the midfield.

Is there even the remotest risk of this being addressed as an issue?

It’s a cop-out to suggest that Collingwood’s midfield is outplayed. I’ll buy that once or twice. But not regularly. Letting it happen this often is negligence.

Also, this is the point of having a good ruck – so you can work out tactics that he taps to the advantage of his teammates. But that doesn’t happen at Collingwood. We get the taps. We just don’t get the “to advantage” (at least not in terms t`o the breakdown of how often Grundy gets taps).

I’m unsure who’s responsible – Grundy, the midfield, the combination, the midfield coach, the senior coach, the football, or all of them, but this has gone on long enough that it’s grown farcical. How can they all have developed no strategy to maximise Grundy’s dominance or, lacking that, neutralise the opposition’s influence?

It’s also costing them regularly and, as we’ve seen, in big games.

As with the use of Cox, Collingwood have polarised the outcome, instead maximising the opposition’s strengths and disadvantaging their own midfield.

Surely, if nothing else, Collingwood could just get Grundy to punch the ball 20–25 metres clear (a tactic the 2001 – 04 Brisbane powerhouse employed) to break up the opposition zones every now and then and thus introduce an element of unpredictability.

But, please, just do something, because if we see more of the same this is an indictment on the club’s inability to conjure effective strategies and address issues.

2. Renovate the gameplan
My brother calls Collingwood’s game-plan 2014–17, and 2019–20 “Control Freak Football”.

It’s always looking for the handball out, or trying to pick the way through congestion by foot, over and over and over ad infinitum until the perfect position is gained from which to launch an attack.

Unfortunately, most of the time that position is never secured.

How many times have we witnessed countless retreating handballs, each player falling under more and more pressure until either a turnover is forced, or somebody boots it and hopes for the best? Or players trying to chip their way through traffic, until they stagnate and the opposition lock them in, or a skill error results in a turnover?

This would be a great gameplan if you had a team full of Nathan Buckleys.

The problem is that there hasn’t been many players who can kick as well as Buckley. In my forty years of following football, he would rate in my top three field kicks. If he’s expecting his charges to do what he could, then he’s judging them by the wrong standard.

If this isn’t the way Buckley wants them to play, then there’s an issue of communication, and/or execution. Neither is acceptable – not after all these years.

Collingwood looked at their best under Buckley in 2018 when they played audacious, running football – that chaos brand of football that has helped Richmond win three flags.

1. Entering F50
Collingwood’s premium method of entry is to move the ball as slowly as possible around the ground, allow the opposition to flood back into the Forward-50, and then to boot haphazardly (and often to disadvantage) and hope one of their outnumbered forwards takes a freakish mark.

I don’t know if the gameplan is breaking down at another level – if this mad bombing is simply to get it down there with the expectation the smaller players will apply pressure to force a turnover.

This is something Collingwood did throughout 2010–11 with The Press. Sometimes, it wasn’t about precision, but just getting the ball into a position that it could be won back or an opportunity created through defensive pressure.

However, they didn’t let it get this damned crowded in F50.

There will always be a place for the quick kick in – but take note of the adjective: “quick”. Which means before the opposition have congested the area, or defenders can congregate to double or triple team one of the key forwards.

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Then we go back to the point about Cox: set him up in a way that you give him the best chance of marking and, if he doesn’t, you have small forwards who can either crumb the spillage, or apply defensive pressure.

Otherwise, is there a risk that players will consistently lower their eyes and look for a teammate on the lead?

Offensively, football isn’t that hard of a game – you give the ball to a player wearing the same jumper as you.

Not just in regard to this point, but many of the points in this list, it feels as if Collingwood have overly complicated their methodology to the detriment of performance.

The issues have now become so ingrained, that the fear is they’re now habitual.

The Crowd Says:

2021-02-10T20:59:26+00:00

RT

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Copy and paste your comment and get the first comment in next time and you should get more likes. A think a lot would agree.

2021-02-03T06:16:07+00:00

Ross McBain

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Good point re Trelor but I have always feel that you utilise your players strengths and not hope they can adapt perhaps what I am trying to say is the current game plan does not work with the players they have

2021-02-02T21:17:19+00:00

Big Daddy

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Until that happens none of Les's wish list will ever eventuate. Cut off the head of the snake and all problems are solved.

2021-02-02T08:41:10+00:00

Bretto

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Looks like you are on your own there champ. The Les articles are pretty much spot on, and speak for a lot of Pies supporters who are sick to death of the aimlessness, underachievment, and cultural car crash that is Collingwood. You don’t need to read the articles if you don’t want to.

2021-02-02T01:37:38+00:00

Peter the Scribe

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Ross, I was filthy with the Treloar situation but I do understand Treloar wasn't sticking to defensive mid practices with the group. Grundy not tapping to advantage has been an issue for years now. Very frustrating.

2021-02-02T01:36:04+00:00

Peter the Scribe

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Yeah Mooty it probably doesn't mean much but he has come back in the best shape of his career and is getting a taste of the sort of footy he can play when in good shape. Dane Swan one famous preseason pulled his finger out and became a running beast in preseason (largely on treadmill sprints) but it gave him a taste of the footballer he could become. Hoping De Goey does the same.

2021-02-02T01:26:17+00:00

Ross McBain

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I have no problem with Grundy I think the understanding he has with his mid fielders could be better I think Trelor is a huge loss in that regard as he was reading Grundys tapping

2021-02-01T13:43:21+00:00

Kevo

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10) Adams is a good vc, not sure about being captain. Time for cultural change at Pieland. Let Pendles serve out the year and then appoint Cripps from Carlton when we recruit him ???? 9) Yes there are various medical contributing factors but excessive ongoing numerous injuries can be symptomatic of unaddressed unconscious cultural issues. Racism! Salary Cap pressures! Quick fix recruiting! Mick – Bucks residue fall out! Eddie’s capacity to deflect, deny, self exonerate which negates a capacity for remorse and profound change! Bucks straight bat media approach but not a great capacity for emotional depth and intuitive feeling! Ed’s alleged control freakiness! Poor communication with players and media, especially players about to get the flick and who backended their contract for the benefit of the club, only to be right royally shafted, speaks of poor communication skills and integrity/respect issues. Groups are dynamic organisms and what gets swept under the carpet in one area will throw the whole system into chaos elsewhere. And dynamic groups will go wobbly at the knees when they become excessively hierarchical and not enough circular/consensus input. Especially if sycophants and yes people are stacked in the club, and fear of repurcussions means there’s no one to rock the boat back to equilibrium. Bodies and Psyches are intimately and intrinsically connected. Pies need a purge. How long will Eddy and Bucks last? 8) The greatest midfield since the Lions fab four said Lloydy with his foot in his mouth. A Cripps would be handy! Maynard and Quaynor, interesting suggestions. Could only see it being for 5 min bursts to sneak a goal or two. Young blood coming through is looking good. DeGoey should be ready to become a midfielder first, forward second. Hopefully Sier stands up. Sidey and Pendles will give everything til they drop but can’t be a lot left in the tank. 7) Ladder position suggests Pies are reasonably consistent. Despite the terrible negative defensive strategies often in place last year, they rely on a high pressure intense game to get their best results. They don’t have the same quality of cattle as most top 6 teams to maintain such intensity week in week out, particularly if they’re not at full strength, hence the bipolar results of West Coast and Geelong in the finals. A forward line that kicks goals would change this. And having a Cripps in the midfield. 6) I’d like Moore to have solid time in the forward line but plenty of valid arguments out there for not doing so. Josh Kennedy would have been perfect for the Pies forward line. If Kelly is fit throw him into the deep end, either chb or chf. He’ll eventually swim. Moore could also be a ruck forward. 5) Play the kids 4) The most blinding obvious but unacknowledged point at Collingwood. Get a genuine ruck / forward coach, ala Dean Cox, Shaun Rehn, a Madden brother. Big units like Cox need specialised intense coaching from another big unit who know the role, and Ant is not that person, Legend that he is. 3) Ditto above. Rucking is an art and a science. It’s not about stats. Grundy is a huge athlete. A lot of great ruckwork can not be translated into stats and number of hit outs. Even at his AA peak Collingwood were getting no where near full benefit from Grundy’s potential. 2) Don’t understand the recent excessively defensive negative game plan. Start first quarter well and then kick 3 goals for the rest of the match. A loss of confidence from 2018. Bucks needs to find his inner Zen again when he was loving everyone. 1) Ditto 2 plus 3, 4, 5 and 6 plus Cripps (next year) or equivalent on the market.

2021-02-01T08:06:29+00:00

Yattuzzi

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Fair enough, need to interact, that it what the site is about.

2021-02-01T07:47:13+00:00

DingoGray

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You missed immediate removal of Club President & Head Coach

2021-02-01T07:33:46+00:00

Greg

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Football the Australian game always seemed to have simple strategies. You built a team around the goal to goal line. You get in front. If you are behind you punch to ball away. Inside 50 you kick for goal. I suppose every suburban/country football coach has a basic plan that would include these things. A mixture foul language, spraying spit and snake oil they would stand on the rubbing table to harangue their team. The supporters gathered round to lift the home teams spirit. Professional football and weasel words haven't advanced the game, they have shackled it. I recently watched a replay of the 1984 GF between Hawthorn and Essendon. Played in a magnificent spirit, apart from one foul incident, the speed and courage was what every supporter wants from their team. But the most interesting thing I found was Sheedy's positional changes. Duckworth the fullback to fullforward is an example. Essendon kicked appallingly but Sheedy saw that something had to change. Football, most especially at Collingwood, because they are all that matters, has become a drudge of kicking backwards and predictability. I sat in the stands at the Geelong game. If there ever was a watershed game it was that one. No life, no spirit a geelong training drill. We didn't get ambushed, we were beaten, badly. As unqualified as I am as ex paddock footballer it makes my blood boil to see Mason Cox wasted. His is a unique talent and has not been exploited. I agree with Les in perhaps trying to change things with players taking on different roles. But we only have to look at history to see how things can change and change quickly. Murray Wiedeman will be a legend as a player as long as our collective bums point to the ground, but as a coach he will always be remembered for the 76 wooden spoon. Tommy Hafey was good ordinary player but one of the truly great coaches. 1977 proves the point. There appears to be a stagnation at Collingwood that goes beyond the one game at a time philosophy.

2021-02-01T05:56:41+00:00

Mooty

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De Goey starring in pre season match practice. I hope you don’t make all your predictions on this sort of form Peter.

2021-02-01T04:13:22+00:00

Larry1950

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11. Serious rewriting of findings or redactions in the report into Racism at Collingwood football club before it’s released to the public.

2021-02-01T02:57:10+00:00

Hello

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Yep. A half decent culture at the club would seem to be at the top of the list.

2021-02-01T02:44:49+00:00

BillyB

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Petition: The Roar stop publishing Les Zig articles until he demonstrates the common courtesy and humility of responding to the comments - like every other author ("expert" or "crowd") does. He's monopolising the AFL tab by exclusively talking about one club, and is too arrogant to respond to the reader. It's against the ethos of this website. Click like if you agree to this petition.

2021-02-01T01:58:41+00:00

Ace

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Only thinking earlier ( before reading this) about Collingwood and their problem areas. Certainly their lack of support for Adams . Lack of money to snare that pacy onballer ? And Cox . To play or not to play. To retain De Goey as a fwd would be deal but he maybe needed on ball more than Pies would like

2021-02-01T00:58:36+00:00

Peter the Scribe

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I think to say all clubs should simply follow the Richmond style of get it forward any way you can is a simplistic view. If it was that easy, all 18 clubs would do it. It sound nice in theory. Players walk in the door at Punt Rd and are told to play to your strengths, it’s not complicated here, we just push it forward any way we can…kick it off the ground, tap to advantage forward in packs, smash it forward in the ruck…simple footy here at the Tigers like when you were a kid. Sounds great doesn’t it? Who wouldn’t want to take all the elaborate zones, role players, minutia and complicated over coached methodology and chuck it out for a hack it forward at all costs game style. What player wouldn’t prefer that to “structure”, “role” “space”, “protection”, etc You think in ten years Dimma will come out laughing and say “it’s so simple. Why didn’t you all just hack it forward?” You think none of the 17 other clubs haven’t experimented with that, even in intra club games? You think departing Assistant coaches from the Tigers all have clauses in their deals that they must keep this groundbreaking game plan a secret? The fact is the Tigers incredible success is simply not that simple or they would not be pushing for a 4th flag in 5 years in 2021.

2021-01-31T23:25:38+00:00

Peter the Scribe

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with the benefit of hindsight Ross would you prefer the much cheaper Witts who is a better tap ruck than Grundy or the ruck-mid Grundy at the big $$$? Having said that from what I have seen at training Grundy could be set for a huge year. As for the midfield thin? Treloar is a big loss. Phillips wasn't best 22 and Stephenson so far has shown he can only play high forward. Fin Macrae looks a lively and ready made AFL player and De Goey is training with the midfield group and has been starring in match practice. De Goey, if he stays injury free, will spend a lot of time in midfield.

2021-01-31T23:20:26+00:00

Peter the Scribe

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Moore playing CHF? Not convinced at all. Can't see it happening either. Similar to Howe, both can play an excellent intercept defence but forward where you are the one making the lead or trying to throw off one or two 100kg defenders? Moore is tall but not that solid. He gets rag dolled as a key forward in a pack and I don't think he is a leading forward either. I also wonder if his soft tissue injuries early were a part of stop start leads as a forward and his hammies have now settled in the straight line running of a CHB.

2021-01-31T22:40:25+00:00

Naughty's Headband

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11. Don't be racist.

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