Adam, the good news is the bad news: Knights fans aren't going anywhere

By Joe Frost / Editor

Adam O’Brien ruffled some feathers in his post-game press conference following his side’s loss to the North Queensland Cowboys last Thursday.

“I ask for our supporters to stick with us and for those that are impatient and don’t want to stick with us, that’s fine, I understand,” the Knights coach said.

O’Brien also reminded the assembled media that “five starters weren’t there tonight”.

“Is it an excuse? Yeah it is, but it’s reality too,” he said.

“I understand that some people don’t want to wait for that but…”

What follows doesn’t really matter. Here’s a little reminder for the coach on what does matter.

While the Knights were without five starters, Melbourne were without their entire first-choice spine of Ryan Papenhuyzen, Cameron Munster, Jahrome Hughes and Harry Grant, while second-row stalwart Kenny Bromwich and back-up half Ryley Jacks were also missing. Yet the Storm put the Raiders to the sword to the tune of 34-10.

“We try not to think about who we haven’t got we just concentrate on who we have got,” Craig Bellamy said after the win.

“Our mentality has always been if somebody misses out somebody else gets a chance and I thought all of those guys did a good job tonight.”

At the SCG, the Roosters suffered the biggest upset of the season in going down to the wooden spoon-holding Broncos.

But we’re calling this the boilover of 2021 despite the fact the Chooks were without deep breath Boyd Cordner, Luke Keary, Lindsay Collins, Sam Verrills, Drew Hutchison, Billy Smith, Freddy Lussick, Josh Morris, as well as Jake Friend (who may be retired but was expected to see out the year and is still under part of their salary cap, so he totally counts) and Brett Morris, whose season is over and future remains undetermined.

Luke Keary. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

Easts started as $1.07 favourites to overcome Brisbane but went down due in no small part to the fact they were without ten players – two of whom are their recognised co-captains, their choices one-through-three at the crucial position of hooker, two halves, two centres, and an Origin-calibre prop.

Is it an excuse? Yeah, it is, but the reality is Trent Robinson didn’t reach for it.

No, the Knights aren’t the Storm or the Roosters. Far from it. But given they’re the two clubs where O’Brien cut his teeth as a coach, ‘no excuses’ really needs to be the attitude he’s instilling in his side.

The rest of the ingredients for similar success all really should be in place.

After 30 years living a hand-to-mouth existence, Newcastle have finally got their front office in order, having turned a profit for the last three years in a row. Pretty sure only the Broncos are in a position to make that same claim.

The Knights have one of the largest catchment areas in the NRL as far as juniors go. It’s apparent that said catchment area isn’t being utilised to full effect but the Roosters and Storm do a whole lot more with a whole lot less.

And each home game, the red and blue run out in front of a packed house, stands chockablock with fans who O’Brien casually told he would understand if they “don’t want to stick with us”.

(Photo by Ashley Feder/Getty Images)

Now, at this point I should acknowledge O’Brien did make his comment casually. It wasn’t a call-out, it wasn’t a pointed criticism of his team’s supporters, it was five seconds in a five-minute presser that have been isolated and turned into a headline.

But here’s another point where the Knights diverge dramatically from the Storm and the Roosters.

The people of the Hunter have supported a losing side for the past decade, a club that made the finals just twice in the years 2010-19, with three wooden spoons on the trot between 2015-17.

Yet, during this time, the club was consistently in the top four – and often top two – for average home-game attendance. And yes, Newcastle is a one-team town, but so’s Melbourne, while Sydney’s eastern suburbs have a population roughly equivalent to that of the City of Newcastle LGA.

All of which makes me wonder whether the Knights’ dedicated fans are actually a – a, not the, mind you – cause for the club’s continued mediocrity.

It was recently suggested on Facebook that were it not for Andrew Johns, the Knights would have gone the way of the Western Suburbs Magpies or the North Sydney Bears long ago.

I retorted that it wasn’t Joey who stopped the Knights ending up on the rugby league scrapheap, it’s the fans.

The Bears and the Magpies averaged crowds of just over 8000 in their swan-song seasons. By comparison, in 2016 – a year when the Knights won just one game, and the second year in the hat-trick of wooden spoons – the average attendance of 14,457 was still seventh-best in the league.

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(It would be remiss of this bitter Chooks hater not to take a potshot at that club’s fair-weather supporters, the Roosters coming in dead last for average attendance, at 10,235, as they finished 15th in 2016 – which came after three consecutive minor premierships, so it’s not like it was the nadir of a lengthy downward slope.)

The Knights’ 2019 average of 19,052 – second for the year, behind only Brisbane – is evidence that more people are in the stands when the team have some success, but win or lose, the people of the Hunter show up to support their club.

I don’t know that would be true of the Storm (how would I? They always bloody win) but it’s definitely not the case in Bondi.

And I suspect it makes those organisations better. They can’t afford to see a dramatic drop-off in support, so they are constantly looking for ways to be the best, and keep those turnstiles swinging and corporate dollars rolling in.

As for the Knights, perhaps there’s an element of taking this support for granted – it certainly seems that way when the coach tells fans he’s cool with them going elsewhere.

But then, as many diehard Norths and Wests fans can attest, there’s really nowhere else to go.

So you’re stuck with a legion of diehards, Adam, a situation I’m sure most other coaches would be happy to trade you for.

But it can still be a double-edged sword.

It would be a mistake to take your fans for granted. But it would also be an error to confuse unwavering support with acceptance that what you’re dishing up is good enough.

The Crowd Says:

2021-05-26T19:27:52+00:00

Peter Pritchard

Guest


The problem with O'Brien is that he can't coach and all the coaching staff are managed by Isaac Moses and we all know what happens to clubs who have Moses basically in control

2021-05-25T08:25:55+00:00

Paul

Roar Guru


there might be a reason why more than a few of these guys aren't regular in first grade and/or are now suspended. "Smarts" is not in great abundance with some players

2021-05-25T05:12:44+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


You're a kind fellow. Whilst I agree - in part - with your evaluation, I can't find an acceptable reason why we lost that one. Why we butchered 3 tries, why we let in a couple of softies, why we didn't run the ball more out of trouble early, why we ran it on the last, why Clune didn't take a FG shot, why we didn't take the shot at the scrum, why we can't beat Sharks who got done by the dogs FPS. We had the opportunities, plenty. Maybe a good attitude, but no smarts.

2021-05-25T04:33:47+00:00

Paul

Roar Guru


no, not talking about the quality of the game, that was a level below atrocious. I was more interested in whether a bunch of guys who hardly played together could stick with it for 80 minutes and I thought they did. As Hook mentioned, you had forwards playing in the centres for example, yet none shirked the task. Attitude is a really big deal for me when it comes to footy and I though our blokes showed some good signs.

2021-05-25T04:33:15+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


We are almost missing 5 hookers!

2021-05-25T03:56:12+00:00

Rob

Guest


It was really hard and costly for Cowboys fans to support their team other than on pay or at home games for the first 10years. They didn’t have a FTA until 20004 finals. Imagine how much extra effort and money it takes for Cowboys supporters? 10 years of paid subscription, $3k and 3 days of travel to watch a grand final.

AUTHOR

2021-05-25T02:57:22+00:00

Joe Frost

Editor


Not everyone is a premiership-winning superstar at the Roosters, but when you're missing one-third of your top 30 squad, it's all hands on deck. FYI, the Roosters signed B-Moz last year as injury cover for Billy Smith, Freddy Lussick is preferred as hooker over Ben Marschke, and Drew Hutchison was picked over Lachlan Lam in Round 9. All three would likely have played against the Broncos if they were available.

2021-05-25T02:47:49+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


They’re not much if you conveniently ignore Cordner, Friend, Collins, Morris, Keary, Verrills, Radley,

2021-05-25T02:39:58+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


You're still thinking about the Storm game in Magic round, aren't you Paul. You musta been asleep last weekend for the Shark debacle. Tip mate, take my word for it and don't watch the replay.

2021-05-25T01:21:52+00:00

max power

Guest


Drew Hutchison, Billy Smith, Freddy Lussick - huge losses for the roosters

2021-05-25T01:19:54+00:00

Nick Maguire

Roar Rookie


:laughing:

2021-05-25T00:46:20+00:00

Matt

Guest


Okay Joe, Can we adopt a wait and see approach to this situation? AOB knows that if he isn't successful here, he will struggle to get another head coaching gig. Going in another direction. Not knowing the ins and outs of the Knights and their pathways. Have they had someone set up a junior identification and pathway program similar to what Gus did at Penrith when he was there? As you mentioned the Knights have a big junior base to draw from.

AUTHOR

2021-05-25T00:30:06+00:00

Joe Frost

Editor


I don't think anyone's got that level of Machiavellian insight at the Knights. AOB got his mate a 12-month gig. That'll probably be all it is, but that's also probably all it ever was.

2021-05-25T00:17:19+00:00

Matt

Guest


Nat, It's a stretch blaming Seibold. He is the fall guy for O'brien. O'brien knows if they succeed, he gets the accolades and if they keep playing the way they are, he can throw Seibold under the bus. 'The boys didn't respond to Seibold's coaching methods so I had to sack my good mate, which I don't want to do, so the team could get back on track.' will be the headline you will see when O'brien sacks Seibold. Getting him another 12 months in the gig.

2021-05-24T23:44:24+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Yep ! There are not many Knights & Raiders players you would want in the trenches with you if really you needed help ! Attitudes to laying it on the line for your team, seem very poor right now.

2021-05-24T23:37:54+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


Pretty clear the players aren't responding to O'Brien, he hasn't got the results expected even with a fit squad. Raiders look and play like they're tired of Ricky. They're both free falling. An unprecedented mid season coach trade/ loan would do them both good. Bit out there but the seasons all but gone and windows are slamming shut otherwise.

2021-05-24T23:37:51+00:00

Tom G

Roar Rookie


I’m pretty certain that Knights fans will remain.. probably the most loyal in Australia. Not so sure if the coach will with that attitude

2021-05-24T23:36:28+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Bulldogs have been missing 9 or 10 players for the past few weeks. Our front liners aren’t great but to Barrett’s credit he hasn’t reached for that as an excuse

2021-05-24T23:19:06+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


That’s rough (ruff :sick: ) on Snoopy...

2021-05-24T22:53:21+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Without sounding like sour grapes, I wonder what the Seibold effect is on the teams ability to attack? Much like Brisbane with their injuries during his time, the structures can be very complex which messes with the basics. As you say the forwards should be much better and the experienced halves: not stepping up or failing/inability to execute a plan with the cattle? The parts are better then the whole in the current instance.

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