Five talking points from Super Rugby Trans-Tasman, Round 4

By Oliver Matthews / Expert

With just one round left of the regular Trans-Tasman season there are still four teams fighting hard for a spot in the grand final.

Unfortunately none of those teams are from the Australian side of the competition but there have been signs over the past couple of weekends that have shown the gap between the comps aren’t quite as vast as perhaps many had feared.

The weekend threw up some really good battles with the Force continuing to surprise people, Mac Grealy impressing and Bryn Gatland somehow holding onto Marika Koroibete as he ran over him like a monster truck rolling over a speed bump.

So let’s dig into the talking points from the weekend and see what we can find other than more pain for the Australian sides and their fans.

How many penalties equal a yellow card in today’s economy?
One of the things that fans, players and coaches say they want is consistency from the referees and one of the areas of the game where there seems to be a broad range of interpretations is how many penalties a defending team can concede in the red zone before one or more of their players heads to the naughty step.

Of course not all penalties are created equal but for the standard offsides type of penalty, there really seems to be no consistency about how many times a defending side can infringe before they get the warning from the ref and then a yellow card.

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What’s also strange is that many times, after the first yellow, a second yellow doesn’t come straight away at the next penalty – it’s as if some refs reset the clock and start counting up again from zero.

One idea that was discussed this weekend by some fans was the idea of copying basketball where teams have a set number of fouls they can commit before one of their team is sent to the bench. It’s always the same and the teams always know where they stand against that number. Let’s face it – it’s a better idea than the captain’s challenge!

Why don’t Aussie teams try drop kicks?
One of the consistent issues that has dogged Australian teams this season has been the inability to convert possession into points, especially when they get into the opposition 22.

So given that, why have we not seen some fly halves trying the forgotten art of the drop goal? It might not be the tactic that’s going to win you the game, especially with the worryingly big margins that we’ve been seeing in the Trans-Tasman this season.

But would you prefer to come away from the 22 with another failed try scoring attempt or three points that caught the opposition by surprise and might make them think twice next time when they are deciding how to defend against your attack?

We all love seeing plenty of tries being scored but the strategy of just trying to score at least one more try than you concede is not working out for the Aussie sides.

There are only four ways to score points in rugby – a try, a conversion (which depends on the try coming first), a penalty goal and a drop goal. So why take 25 per cent of the options off the table?

Waratahs are driving their fans crazy
With the NSW side rapidly approaching their least successful season in their history, their fans deserve a hug or something.

In their loss to the Highlanders, there were some signs of real progress and hope as they ran in some good tries and with just moments to go until halftime they’d fought hard to be just three points behind the men from Dunedin.

But in just five minutes the Tahs had gifted the opposition two crucial scores, the gap was up to 17 points and the Tahs were done.

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What’s so frustrating is that those two heart breaking tries were just before and just after halftime and were the result of terrible execution from the Tahs. The first saw Jack Maddocks make an absolutely terrible defensive read as he shot out of the line, missed player and ball and gave an easy walk in try for the Highlanders.

The second of these heartbreakers came just minutes into the second half after the Tahs had overthrown at their own lineout deep inside their own 22.

The Tahs are finding it hard enough to compete this season and they simply cannot afford to gift the opposition try after try after try in these ways. Yes, no players are joining for next season but unless they are recruiting the starting line-up from the Crusaders all in one go, the NSW men will still need to do the basics right to, well you know, actually win a game in a season!

While we’re on it, there’s been a lot of talk about how this terrible season for the Tahs is down to the fact that so many caps walked out of the club over the past couple of years. Of course losing that level of knowledge would impact any club but let’s be clear – the Tahs weren’t exactly crushing it before the exodus of experience. In the six seasons since 2016, they’ve played finals rugby once.

Australian lineouts rarely work out
This weekend saw some really bad performances in the lineout from the Australian sides. Of the 82 lineouts where an Australian side had the throw, 15 of them were lost. That’s one in five – when it’s their throw! Fans thought the Reds’ lineout was bad when they lost four of their own throws, until the Brumbies said ‘hold my beer’ and lost five of theirs against the Hurricanes.

Unfortunately these lost lineouts were all too often in important parts of the field and saw an Australian side scrambling to defend their own line or saying goodbye to a scoring opportunity.

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As we fast approach the international season, the Wallabies are going to have to make sure their lineout is top notch as the French have some big forwards who will be looking to knock the Aussies around and some dynamite backs who you cannot afford to give any extra ball to at any point.

There has been discussion about how the New Zealand packs are so much more aware about when and how to compete at the ruck than their Australian opponents and while the breakdown is obviously important, it’s essential that sides get their set piece in order as quickly as possible.

Is the gap closing?
Having slammed the Australian sides, there have been elements to get excited about over the past couple of weeks. The Reds and the Brumbies have both picked up wins and the Force have continued to run teams close, including an impressive outing against the Crusaders this past weekend.

Yes, we’re still looking at a very one-sided competition ladder but the losing margins are getting slimmer – in some cases (thanks Tahs!) – and the Aussie sides are finding ways to cause the New Zealanders some troubles.

Hmmmm, the losing margins are getting slimmer – not sure that’s quite the positive that it’s meant to be but you get the point.

Yes, there isn’t the depth in the Australian club sides, but there is some good competition in key positions that should give Wallabies fans reason to get excited about the international season ahead.

The Crowd Says:

2021-06-09T22:03:27+00:00

Dean

Guest


The two worst players in the worst Australian team are... New Zealanders! One of them is the son of an All Black!! (His uncle also played for the All Blacks). The two least successful coaches in Australia in recent years were also New Zealanders. And arguably the two worst administrators in Australian rugby in recent times were New Zealanders. Let's not get hung up on NZ rugby being naturally superior. It's not. They just have greater depth. To paraphrase Paul Cully... the best 150 players in Aust will never beat the best 150 in NZ. But the best 30 Australians will be competitive against the best 30 from NZ.

AUTHOR

2021-06-09T16:01:56+00:00

Oliver Matthews

Expert


Are those Super Rugby AO or TT stats for the Kiwi sides? Cause if they are AO then I'd compare them with the TT stats where I reckon the stats show that the Kiwi sides are performing at a far higher percentage than they do in the AO comp. I'd then take from that the AU sides are much less competitive at the line out and the Kiwi sides are much less threatened by the AU forwards at the line out. Either way we cut it - this weekend, the AU teams' line outs were poor - poorer than their Kiwi rivals and poorer than they themselves have delivered this season and so they need improvement.

2021-06-09T00:15:20+00:00

Goodbye NRC

Roar Rookie


I think his missus is happy being overseas so he’s in no hurry to come back to Oz

2021-06-09T00:14:30+00:00

Goodbye NRC

Roar Rookie


I agree, I should have said. That wasn’t my opinion, something I read. But they are making it hard to recruit players if those players don’t know who the coach is going to be. Essentially the board is a basket case and really need to sort there crap out and quickly.

AUTHOR

2021-06-08T10:20:02+00:00

Oliver Matthews

Expert


It's a really interesting area to consider and you can come at it from a range of points of view I reckon with the truth probably lying as some complicated combination of a variety of contributing factors. Here's a few that I've always have assumed are at work to help explain the differences between the quality of the club sides in Australia and New Zealand: - roadmap - in New Zealand there is a much clearer, and higher quality, path from school rugby up to Super Rugby. In Australia that just doesn't exist. Not only does that mean that they are making it harder for up and coming players to see a path to Super Rugby, but also the quality of the "breeding game" is reduced as many SR players will jump into an SR set up rather than go up through the ranks. Also it seems to be tough for SR players who aren't internationals to play some good rugby outside of the Super Rugby season. Whether this be warming up for the SR season or after it or making your way back from injury, there's little to no competitive rugby for them to play. - organisational structure - this is second if not third hand info but the way it's been explained to me before is that the Super Rugby clubs in New Zealand work very closely with the NZRU and All Blacks so that they can discuss plans for different players and tactics. I've read how Dave Rennie and the Wallabies coaches have been working with some of the AU clubs this season but I don't know how well aligned the RA, Wallabies and Super Rugby clubs have been in the past. - competition for attention - the Australian sporting market has some big competition for Rugby with both NRL and AFL capturing both viewers and potential players' attention. The NRL and AFL seem to have much better talent scouting processes in place as well as more effective local community and school engagement meaning that Rugby is in 3rd place at best when trying to attract the attention of players and fans. This dilution impacts so many parts of the game - fewer potential players, fewer potential coaches, fewer number of fans spending money on the game, rights holders not able to get as much for rights and sponsorship etc etc, less money floating around the game at all levels. - strong leadership - again this is not from first hand experience but you do get the impression that the leadership at the top of rugby in Australia has been short sighted for far too long. The whole process that led to the culling of the Force is a prime example - even irrespective of the final decision, the way the process was played out was pretty horrendous. - style of play - each team has it's own approach and each nation too has characteristics to their national style of play. An observation is that Super Rugby sides are just not competitive enough at the breakdown. This leads to slower ball getting to playmakers and more turnovers. There are other differences between the two countries typical styles of play but the breakdown is a big one. Kiwi sides are taught to be wiser at the breakdown and when they do engage in the ruck they use better technique and a coordinated approach between the forwards. - SANZAAR - this is kind of an indirectly related issue and a personal view but I think that SANZAAR have done such a terrible job of growing and marketing the Super Rugby competition and that has impacted all the nations involved. The most recent example was the beginning of this season when RA and NZRU had broadcast deals sorted in their local markets but SANZAAR hadn't sorted anything for overseas audiences. Crazy.

2021-06-08T04:12:56+00:00

Sheikh

Roar Rookie


Didn't Skelton say he had no interest in re-joining the Waratahs even if he returned to Australia?

2021-06-08T03:33:55+00:00

Perthstayer

Roar Rookie


Oliver, Force continuing to surprise people . Are you trying to fire up the "die-hard/s"? The tables have turned so far this year I'd say others should be mimicking the Force. I'm not just referring to keeping in tight but more the grit, belief and some personal pride.

2021-06-07T20:59:02+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


It was a long time ago Paulo. And it was just flicking through different sports channels for a couple of minutes. I was baffled when I saw "LIVE" next to it though. What constitutes a "hot" day for NZ anyway?

2021-06-07T20:46:36+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Micko, I’m not sure anyone buys that you flicked on Foxtel to watch NZ provincial rugby :silly:

2021-06-07T20:44:17+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


That’s the issue with the NZ teams, they can grind out a win when they need to, but when they are scoring so much it doesn’t become an issue so you don’t address it. I think the frailty of the Aus defence, allowing NZs defence to be porous also is doing the NZ teams no favours. This is why generally Kiwis want Aus to be better, we’re not altruistic, but if Aus was better the NZ teams are forced to be better also. And we both need to play teams with really strong structured defence so we can learn how to deal with it consistently, not just on the fly through a one off series.

2021-06-07T19:56:44+00:00

CUW

Roar Rookie


the best in England - Bristol Exeter Sale the best in France - Touluse , Racing , La Rochelle the best in rest - Leinster , Munster I think only Crusaders are a sure bet to win against any of the above. others may cause an uppset but i say only 50:50 on a good day.

2021-06-07T09:45:44+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


I actually don’t mind Thorn, but I have to admit to laughing at loud to that one :laughing:

2021-06-07T09:41:35+00:00

Bodger

Roar Rookie


Any talk in NZ of the quality of the NZ teams? They’ve displayed some pretty awful defence in games as well. I do wonder how SA teams would go at the moment against the TT teams and how would the NZ teams fair against the best Europe teams? The AU teams have been flogged by the NZ teams but I think we would be in the same position against SA and Europe teams also to be fair. I’m just a bit cautious when the margins are a bit closer in some games but the defence is just as bad and not sure the NZ teams have the best defence either. How would AU and NZ teams go against better drilled teams who are tactically better, have better structures and can defend. The Wallabies and the ABs couldn’t breakdown the Argies defence last year for example. The AU teams need to focus so much more on defence and their structures.

2021-06-07T09:29:57+00:00

Bodger

Roar Rookie


Things will get worse, the quality of the comps below SR is poor. Thorn hit the nail on the head when discussing this very topic and the demise of the NRC.

2021-06-07T09:25:07+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Amidst all the excitement, my subbies team got up. My Shute team got up. And then the Brumbies got up -just! I forgot to remember, I had a perfect TT tipping round. :happy: Don’t want to get too cocky. Three of those games were obvious, almost, but still..... Harry and Dan, also had a ‘lucky’ :silly: week

2021-06-07T09:09:56+00:00

Ex force fan

Guest


Aussie and Kiwi teams come from similar genetic pools. The difference is the development pathway in NZ is better and it starts with junior rugby that is much cheaper to play than in Australia right through to the Tier 3 that Australia doesn’t have.

2021-06-07T09:06:50+00:00

Ex force fan

Guest


The Force in my view is the Australian team that finish well. With the exception of the Canes game when we started to chase the game instead of sticking to the game plan, we outscored our opponents in the last 20 minutes. Against the Clan we were unlucky with a YC to Holmes but in every other game we came back strongly. Maybe the bench or fitness of the team.

2021-06-07T08:55:43+00:00

Jibba Jabba

Roar Guru


Its 'attitude' to winning or losing.. Kiwis do not accept losing, Aus look for excuses why they lost...

2021-06-07T07:11:48+00:00

Faith

Roar Rookie


The games are generally much tougher for NZ sides. Travel has caught up with sides with teriible schedules like the Chiefs. There are also changes in the sides (Canes playing with rookie halves). Chiefs with new locks. That said, that is happening to Oz sides. Reds really missed JOC and Haggerty. I think Oz sides would have done themselves a favour right from the get-go to at least understand the intensity needed. Maybe it was hard to break the habits from SR AU. Thorn put it best when he said Reds were winning games even after 19 turnovers. Try even half of those against an NZ side and the game is over. Maybe next year, the comps should be running concurrently like in Europe? That keeps a comp across the ditch and then provides respite for NZ sides playing too much against each other. Also, keeps the gains OZ has made with SR AU audiences ...

2021-06-07T06:49:14+00:00

Faith

Roar Rookie


Andy, this is a really good point and this is something that Ben Darwin brought up in the amazing video interview he did with rugbypass ...

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