'Shades of 2016 for the Doggies, but...': Talking points from the AFL's semi-final weekend

By Liam Salter / Roar Guru

It isn’t often when late-breaking trade news overshadows a weekend of semi-finals, but that’s what happened on an otherwise footy-free Sunday night.

Here’s some water-cooler talking points.

A clinical Geelong conquer their finals demons, setting up a prelim with themselves
Next up: a preliminary final with Melbourne

The Cats making a preliminary final is not surprising by virtue of history. It goes without saying that Geelong’s terrible record in qualifying finals is well established – a pattern which continued following their first up loss to Port Adelaide the week before last.

But something which, puzzlingly, is not as awful as you would assume is their record in semi-finals: they’ve won five from six of them the week after stumbling in qualifying finals. And so it was that they prevailed in their encounter with the Giants on Friday night, albeit not without a challenge.

The worrying signs in the Port loss largely evaporated on the field during the clash, with the Cats managing to affirm that their subjectively boring style of play can hold up in finals.

They were able to hold off the Giants when they challenged, largely owing to a more clinical performance up front. Using the period during which GWS were most in the game, Geelong were able to foster an ultimately unsurmountable lead; not by playing with flair, but by simply making the most of their chances.

That’s the story of the Cats.

There is just one problem. Need it go without saying that their preliminary final record under Chris Scott is almost as bad as their qualifying final record?

They will be up against the Demons; a team that have been so powerful throughout the year. The Dees have the weight of expectation hanging above them – much more so than the perennially challenging Cats – but are also a more exciting and impactful side.

Honestly, I doubt they would be massively worried about playing the Chris Scott’s squad.

(Photo by Daniel Pockett/Getty Images)

Outgunned but not outshone, the Giants end their season amidst injury and controversy
Next up: the off season

Much like their New South Wales footy counterparts in the Swans, the GWS Giants have been a team performing beyond what injuries – and intuition – would have suggested this season. Thus, it was simultaneously predictable yet disappointing to see the weight of injuries catch up to the club.

My fellow Roarer Stirling Coates articulated it pretty well in his post clash piece after the Giants’ loss, but it bears repeating that this was a GWS side missing talent everywhere – but particularly up forward.

Toby Greene’s suspension was borne out of a tendency to push the line; but in pushing the line he is playing with a ferocious ability to produce game-winning moments. There was an obvious lack of his presence up forward, much as there was an absence of another small forward in Brent Daniels.

The unexpected late unavailability of Jesse Hogan, too, exacerbated the existing absence of Jeremy Finlayson and left Harry Himmelberg besieged as the Giants’ lone key forward option in the typically enigmatic area of GWS’s squad.

We will never know for certain whether or not more luck in the medical room, or a different tribunal result, would have contributed enough to change a result – even a full-strength Giants would likely have been underdogs against the Cats. But while they won’t rue this loss for a long while, it’s a reminder that football is a cruel game.

The Lachie Neale rumours a vexing conundrum for the Lions already reckoning with a loss
Next up: the off season.

And one team taking stock of the realisation that football can be an unbelievably cruel sport is the Lions, who experienced agony, ecstasy and agony again in a matter of minutes at the death of Saturday night’s final. The team was so closely matched with the Western Bulldogs for much of the night, and while Zac Bailey’s final goal to even the scores with 90 seconds left was one of my favourite moments from the season so far, they fell excruciatingly short.

There wasn’t much that could have swung this one either way, and that’s the kicker for the Lions.

But the real shock was the news that Lachie Neale was likely to request a trade back to the club he’d left three years ago: Fremantle. There’s sure to be a lot of discussion about this one – you’ll likely be hearing from myself more on this sometime soon – but the first impression is the logistics of such a move a sure to be a sticking point between the Dockers and Brisbane (and potentially a third club).

It does leave Brisbane to a tricky reckoning to make. The depth of their midfield remains impressive – Cam Rayner slotting back into the side in 2022 helps – but Neale’s an irreplaceable character more than his on-field traits. His defection to the Lions coincided with the start of their resurgence, and he remains a vitally integral player. The Lions will be pleased with the fact that there’s no animosity between player and club, but there’s a long road ahead here.

Neale’s prospective departure cannot turn into a proverbial rock being thrown through the Lions’ premiership window. I’m confident it won’t be, but their next moves will be wild to watch.

Lachie Neale (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Shades of 2016 for the Doggies, but a big weight added with Cody Weightman’s injury
Next up: a preliminary final with Port Adelaide

Getting a strong sense of déjà vu around this Doggies outfit? You’re not the only one.

With their win in Saturday’s awesome clash in Queensland, Luke Beveridge’s team are headed off to a preliminary final with Port Adelaide in what is a remarkably similar run to their only premiership win this century. In shadows of 2016 being repeated this season, the Dogs smashed a team after a hefty road trip (Eagles in Perth, Essendon in Tasmania), endured a semi-final against a team heavily favoured and more so considered premiership contenders (Hawks, Brisbane) and now jump into a preliminary final against a difficult side away from home (GWS, Port).

But the win over Brisbane might hinder them more than help the Dogs; though it’s likely that Marcus Bontempelli will be alright, and Hayden Crozier and Ed Richards expected to be good to go for potential returns, electrifying forward Cody Weightman ruling out of the preliminary final is a big loss. It’s an both an unsurprising worry and a source of unusual comfort.

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Given his performance in the third quarter of their elimination final against the Bombers and the first half of the weekend’s game not coincidently coinciding with the superb flair of the Dogs, not having him will mean the Dogs will have to adapt. And therein lies the comfort: Bailey Smith’s three goals exemplifying just how talented the Doggies have it up forward.

The Crowd Says:

2021-09-09T06:26:13+00:00

pablocruz

Roar Rookie


Yeah, fair comment. I'm old enough to remember when footy really was tribal. Suburban warfare. Your teams' players largely from local areas. That's ancient history now. All teams' lists contain players from all over Aus and were largely drafted having no choice who they play for. It really is just a jumper now, albeit steeped in history. The Tigers were hated in the 60s-70s, laughed at in the 90s-00s and now hated again. I think the hate received produces a certain perceived, or otherwise, arrogance as a first line of defence. That's my excuse, anyway. I agree, I'll take the hate and success any day. On another tangent I think personalities have a bit to do with it. Seems Dimma rubs people up the wrong way and the hatred of him is transferred wholus-bolus onto the entire club. Pretty sure Chris Scott puts off many non-Cat supporters in a similar way. I know I'm guilty of not liking the bloke . . . not at all! Anyway, good luck but not too much!

2021-09-09T04:37:39+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


Sorry for the late reply Pablo I didn't get a notification for your reply. To answer your question yeah I can, and it's called success. Sure not in terms of cups for a little while now, but when you feature near the top of the ladder for well over a decade you're bound to lose any sense of sympathy you previously possessed among oppo supporters. You being a tigers man can surely relate, having gone from most peoples second "pity" team to being outright hated by most. It's a product of success, just as being universally loved is usually a product of irrelevance. If I had to choose I'd of course rather choose the success and its accompanying hatred, but it does get a little old sometimes. A bit of mutual respect among supporters wouldn't be the worst thing for our game. I learned to let go of my irrational hatred for your mob, sometimes just wish others could learn to do the same lol...

2021-09-09T04:27:49+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


How good was it! Best comeback I think I've ever seen because it came out of literally nowhere! Plus we had an obnoxious Dee's supported behind us running his foul mouth the whole night, so was a joy to see him shut up and in tears by the end of the night haha.. and if you think you were nervous imagine being there, the whole stadium fell silent, nobody could bear to look, and when it went through it was like the second coming of Jesus in there, strangers hugging strangers, people screaming at the top of their lungs! I hugged at least 5 randoms myself haha, such great memories :stoked:

2021-09-06T22:43:14+00:00

Windrince

Roar Rookie


I remember that night. Was watching at home with my Father and a friend of mine. I had to leave the room when tuohy took the mark, I was so nervous.

2021-09-06T21:34:24+00:00

pablocruz

Roar Rookie


Do you think it's because they become intent on protecting their lead thus shutting down their own offence? You're right about that 'arm wrestle' period in the last quarter but Geelong never looked like scoring while it seemed only a matter of time before Melbourne ran over you. Has to be coach driven i.m.o.

2021-09-06T20:45:42+00:00

Boo

Guest


Melbourne dominated the first fifteen or so minutes of the last qtr then it was an arm wrestle for about ten or so minutes with Geelong narrowly in front .Ultimately Gawns goal decided the game albeit after a fifty I have never seen payed before .What really concerned me about the game was Geelong not scoring a goal in the last qtr .Similarly GWS made a run at the Cats in the early stages of the final qtr very worrying .

2021-09-06T12:11:57+00:00

CloudRunner

Roar Rookie


Of course, she wanted it back 5 minutes after I'd done it. Her reaction doesn't need much explanation - you can imagine it.

2021-09-06T11:01:06+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


It would be great, but I also think it would be like throwing a baby to the wolves. I think JJ stays in the side and they make Hagan or Wallis sub. Or Lipinski

2021-09-06T10:54:37+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


Hopefully Boak starts well when he's clean with his hands early it seems to filter through to the other players same as when hes a bit fumbley as well.lol.

2021-09-06T10:51:35+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


I wonder if they'll bring in the young kid jamarra. He's dangerous but hasn't got the body strength as yet.

2021-09-06T09:49:57+00:00

dab

Roar Rookie


Relax. Port has Boak. Dogs do not.

2021-09-06T09:15:21+00:00

Angela

Roar Rookie


Poo (if you’re referring to last Saturday night). Occasionally I allow myself a modicum of rudeness anonymously online but poo is about as rude as it gets.

2021-09-06T08:43:24+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


I can imagine :laughing: sorry to hear it, would have been an awkward conversation when the owner came calling lol. The fallout for me was the complete loss of my voice for the next few days, and me and my gf dancing around the streets of Geelong afterwards like a couple of lunatics haha, was and still is to this day the best game I've ever watched/attended. But alas I too know how you felt, having copped something eerily similar from your mob 3 weeks ago. Just glad I wasn't there to see it in person lol

2021-09-06T08:37:24+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


Hmm that's like me saying "because of ____" the Port fan everyone hates them on this site and for good reason. Strange that one person could hold such power over others on here, thought perhaps the club and its performance, culture and greater fanbase would present a better reflection to base judgment on. Rather than that one guy everyone loves to argue with (can think of one or two from just about every other club)...

2021-09-06T08:21:19+00:00

pablocruz

Roar Rookie


Take it you disagree with Dr. Dolittle.

2021-09-06T07:01:55+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


nope,the better side on the day will win

2021-09-06T07:00:20+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Do you think you have the Doggies measure?

2021-09-06T06:59:42+00:00

CloudRunner

Roar Rookie


I broke an iPad I was watching the game on after that Tuohy goal. Not intentionally, just tossed aside in disgust towards the bed but hit the bedpost instead. Worst thing, I was borrowing it.

2021-09-06T06:52:48+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


Nope,If you should have met melbourne in the grand final that means you would have needed to beat us,.. rinse and repeat is how I feel

2021-09-06T06:49:07+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


Cody has been ruled out, he's got concussion systems so it's a no brainer. Bont will probably play, but he'll also probably play sore.

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