What if the Wallabies picked from the NRL?

By Ball Handling 101 / Roar Rookie

Rugby fans young and old, weathered and wishful, rejoiced nation wide upon the announcement of the return of the Messiah.

Joseph Suaalii, a rugby prodigy at long last rescued from rugby league’s clutches of evil.

Yes, the Messiah, or at least, the latest one. That is, after Suliasi Vunivalu, Marika Koroibete, Israel Folau, and all of those that came before.

I wonder how the similarly eagerly anticipated young superstar Max Jorgensen feels about his $80K Waratahs contract, when upon inspection it appears to be a couple of digits short of his cohort mate Suaalii’s.

Particularly when the two will be directly competing for the same positions at the Waratahs very soon.

Put yourself in the shoes of an ambitious young rugby player in Australia and ask yourself why you’d actually sign a development contract with one of Australia’s five Super Rugby franchises to get the chance to play in front of dwindling crowds, in a competition with a receding national presence and image, if you had the opportunity to do the same in a bigger domestic competition – and all for a heavier pay cheque.

By signing Joseph Suaalii, Australian rugby have agreed to their greatest Faustian bargain to date.

They have green lighted and supported a new career path for their next generation of talent which involves arguably fast tracking their development by getting more minutes of top level footy in the NRL, a much longer competition, than they would have otherwise in a traditional rugby pathway.

In doing so, they inflate their contractual value, before returning to Australian rugby a few years later on their own terms and on greater money than they would have otherwise earned in the same time period had they just played union, with all the street cred that comes with going to war in the football competition more deeply rooted in Australian culture.

Joseph Suaalii. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Hell, the coach of the Wallabies has explicitly verbally endorsed the benefits of rugby league for a rugby union footballer and expressed his approval of players from a league background.

Do not forget that as our homo sapien ancestors once evolved from the apes, rugby union originally spawned from soccer, before league emerged as a modified version of union in Sydney.

It is helpful to understand fundamental differences in the Super Rugby competition as a sports and entertainment product in comparison to the NRL to empathise with the decisions faced by young footballers when the opportunity to become a professional athlete is presented to them.

The NRL exists as an annual tournament contested by clubs representing Aussie localities, some of whom have histories and roots which extend back over a century.

The league calendar is garnished with sprinklings of spectacle and novelty matches including State of Origin and some bespoke Test matches where the NRL players pull on a different coloured shirt, however the NRL competition remains the core offering of the sport in this market.

On the other hand, Super Rugby is essentially an extended trial for the Test sides of Australia and New Zealand, under the guise of a meaningful and free standing competition.

Unlike league, rugby’s test matches are its crown jewel, particularly in these nations, and other matches and competitions are incidental and secondary to it. Even big rugby fans contextualise domestic results against the backdrop of the World Cup, and the test matches leading up to it.

Looming All Blacks and Wallabies squad selections seem to hold more gravitas than Super Rugby fixture results.

This is part of the reason that NRL salary caps have more than doubled since 2012 from $4.4 million to $10 million in 2022, while in the same time period Australian Super Rugby salary caps have grown from $4.4 million to $5.5 million. You do the maths.

Until Australian rugby, and New Zealand with them, decide to bite the bullet and start more meaningful second tier competitions, Australian rugby will continue to start and end with the Wallabies for the majority of its casual fans, who go about their winters oblivious to the competition in which the average Aussie rugby player will play the majority of their footy.

Indeed, due to the surging tides of the global player market, Super Rugby’s prestige is a shadow of its former self compared to the glory days of the 90s and 2000s decades romanticised by many.

The AFL managed to grow a thriving nation wide competition and break out of its traditional Victorian market incrementally to now reap the rewards of its thoughtful long term strategic planning.

In Australia, rugby has historically had an almost identical challenge conquering new frontiers outside of its Sydney, regional NSW and Brisbane strongholds.

Similarly, the A-League, which began in the early 2000s, has managed to grow from an initial eight teams to now sit at 12, with more on the way.

Australian soccer parallels rugby in many respects, and arguably more than league, with it being a sport with a larger global presence than what is enjoyed in Australia, and with the biggest club competitions and salaries residing over in Europe.

Angus Bell of the Wallabies. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

And until it finally accepts the fate of Super Rugby, Australian rugby will exist as a delicacy to be enjoyed in moderation; the sticky date pudding at the end of a rich smorgasbord of winter football in Australia, with gold jumpers pulled on once or twice a year.

Because despite the best efforts of the administration to neglect the foundational grass roots of the game for consecutive decades, rugby’s flickering flame will remain burning persistently while ever the global relevance of the game demands some foothold in Australia.

So given that the vast majority of the nation’s oval ball footballers, including those who may’ve previously played rugby growing up, plying their craft in the NRL, why shouldn’t the Wallabies select players from the NRL?

If these players actually want to represent Australia in rugby, and demonstrate the ability to be effective in certain positions, why shouldn’t the Wallabies pick these players?

With increasing professionalism and athleticism favouring power athletes in certain positions in particular, it’s not unreasonable that the much larger talent pool of league might simply have a greater statistical chance of providing the best winger or number eight than rugby.

And if rugby were to reframe the concept of “losing” its players to league, to instead the idea of using league’s resources to develop a portion of its own players temporarily, moral and virtuous reasons against the idea dissolve when faced with the logic of a business decision.

And for any rusted on fans aghast at the idea of NRL players being encouraged to float in and out of Australian rugby even quicker than before, perhaps ask yourself what might be in your son’s best interests if he were an up and coming young footballer in Australia.

Now, don’t get me wrong. As someone who has played and follows both codes, rugby is truly the game I find more interesting and exciting. I’d really love nothing more than for a meaningful Australian domestic competition, possibly converging with Trans Tasman and Pacific rivals for a Champions League style pinnacle, to come to fruition.

Tamati Tua of the Brumbies celebrates (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

And I don’t for a second take for granted the tactical and skilful nuance of the 15-man game. I’m certainly not suggesting the superiority of either code, but am frankly taking a business perspective on the state of both games and challenging the status quo.

Let us not get caught up making subjective and qualitative comparisons between the ability of the footballers in the respective competitions.

Empires rise and fall, but organisations like states and businesses homogenise and grow together. New Zealand had a thriving ITM Cup before Super Rugby relegated the domestic competition to a second priority item.

Former Super Rugby participants South Africa have a solid third tier in their Currie Cup which form the backbone of the talent of their tier 2 franchises today, and throughout the Super era. They followed a slightly different path to Australia and New Zealand with their tier two teams leveraging existing Currie Cup stalwarts.

Did the creation of these shiny new Super Rugby teams , whose lustre seems to have worn off quicker than expected, come at the cost of the more organic local product?

While Rugby Australia toils away trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole, logistically, culturally and financially, with its Super Rugby Pacific, AU, XV and other variations over the years, has the knight in shining armour been the NRL all along?

A mere few generations ago, the two codes of union and league were simply two adjacent competitions in Sydney, before incremental rule changes in league led to it evolving into a different sport in modern times.

So really, depending on your definition of a professional footballer or rugby player, it appears that it may not necessarily be the case that Australian Rugby has a mere five domestic professional teams.

The way things are going these days, if we look a little closer, it’s getting less and less absurd to start counting the other 16 as football clubs contributing to the possible pool of Australian rugby players.

The Crowd Says:

2023-05-06T22:22:58+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


I just flicked through the article, but there would be few valuable forwards in the NRL. Here's the thing that rugby folk, especially in Oz, continually forget. Backs may determine the margin of victory, but in rugby, the forwards win matches. This hasn't changed since Scotland first met England in 1871. So go ga ga over NRL backs all you like, but if you want a genuine winning team, source New Zealand NPC or SA Currie Cup. That's where the hard-nosed winning forwards are bred.

AUTHOR

2023-05-05T01:07:23+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


I believe it's possible if it's someone like a Pat Carrigan who played as a forward in Rugby (I'm pretty sure; if not a NAS or someone similar for the sake of the argument) prior to signing with the Broncs. Now you might also come back to me and say that this compromise is a cop out; of course a leaguie with a Rugby background is going to transition quicker. BUT these are the players of the highest priority for RA - league players with that Rugby background. So I think it's a fair argument

2023-05-04T23:47:43+00:00

woodart

Roar Rookie


I would say that most contact team ball sports orriginated in village against village games, long before a round bouncing ball was invented. in central asia and sth america they used an animal head, or a goat skin stuffed with filling. these were NOT kicking type soccer balls, but were designed to be passed or thrown from player to player.this was long before an elastic ,kickable ball was invented. the first round kicking ball games used a small ball(approx 150mm dia), more like modern handball.these village against village games were very rough and deaths wernt uncommon.(possibly they were started as a way of sorting out inter village disputes). fun fact. the maul is probably the oldest existing facit, still in use.

2023-05-04T23:27:49+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


yes but it won't be a forward to play 6 or 8 though

AUTHOR

2023-05-04T23:13:40+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


typically though RA would want to sign a Leaguie for at least one world cup cycle wouldn't you say - bit of a 4 year plan. See how it goes

2023-05-04T20:37:45+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


so you would like to think Since the only aspects you rate are ball carrying and tackling. They would no idea about rucks, lineouts, mauls or scrums. The positional play is far more complex as well. They may be very good and top quality after 2-3 years learning these skills.

2023-05-04T20:27:36+00:00

Rocky's Rules

Roar Rookie


@Brion Yes, but some would be suitable as they're great all round athletes and would learn fast. NRL players don't have the right skill set for Rugby either. AFL players generally have a better body shape for rugby than NRL players also imo. That's why I'd start with AFL if I had a choice

2023-05-04T20:19:50+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


And also considers that JS wasn’t paid this money at Max’s age. Or even his current age. It’s in 18 months time.

2023-05-04T19:09:06+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


Quatromistic?

2023-05-04T17:39:01+00:00

Tony

Roar Guru


:thumbup:

2023-05-04T14:25:16+00:00

ScouseinOz

Roar Rookie


This is the question that no one in RA or certain one eyed rugby fans want to answer. The Super Rugby FTA Saturday ratings haven't gone up. The crowds haven't gone up. No person I know that supports the Roosters is moving to the Tahs in 2024 or leaving the NRL for rugby. People keep repeating the NRL are rattled. In reality some figures in the NRL said rugby was a slow game. Phil Gould had a big vent but he does the same every fortnight. He's had ones about concussion and hip drops already since March 2023. The PR has only benefitted Roar and Fairfax who write lots of articles and get clicks and comments from diehards on both sides. Hamish McLennan has tried to make himself a bit more famous and stop people talking about Magellan. PR is a lame argument with weird value of worth. I remember the NRL claiming ludicrous media values based when SBW returned to the Roosters.

2023-05-04T08:46:22+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


agree with that

2023-05-04T07:43:13+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


I’m not married to 6 each, but IMO it makes sense. In Australia you have the five current SR clubs, plus add Adelaide. That’s three time zones for TV. NZ has its five current SR clubs, add a second team to Auckland, now you have a proper 12 team league, 22 games, a top 5 finals. NZ provides the bulk of playing talent, but Australia’s best talent, both players and coaches benefit from playing with top quality NZ talent. NZ’s 2nd and 3rd tier talent get more playing time. Fewer NZ players leave for overseas ventures. Even if they played for the Western Force they are only 5 hrs away as opposed to 10hrs (Japan) or 24hrs away (Europe). Australia provides the market for broadcasting with the three time zones. It’s a win for everybody

2023-05-04T07:40:31+00:00

Brion

Roar Rookie


AFL players are not used to getting smashed by 2 or 3 115 kilo blokes. None would make it in the forwards. Also too skinny for rugby.

2023-05-04T07:36:44+00:00

Brion

Roar Rookie


I could probably name about 20 league backrowers who would kill it in Union as 6 or 8.

2023-05-04T07:29:49+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


To begin with you’re probably right, but over time if you were a fringe Super Rugby player from NZ, would you rather have 12 clubs to choose from or 5 ? Professionals will go where the opportunity presents.

2023-05-04T07:27:23+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


Yes, but the world grows geometrically, not arithmetically. By that I mean the gap between the haves (France, England, SA, Japan) and the have nots (the rest) will increase at an increasing rate. We’re seeing that in cricket with the big 3 creating an ever larger gap with the rest, the same will happen in Rugby if Aus & NZ don’t join forces to create a TT league that can at least rival the Premiership & URC, if not the Top 14.

2023-05-04T04:56:31+00:00

RayinSydney

Roar Rookie


Yes, and maybe a form of change is good, but NZ has always been a small market on its own since day dot, its not held them back so far.

2023-05-04T04:55:18+00:00

RayinSydney

Roar Rookie


There's no groundswell coming out of NZ about its players not being able to get into Super rugby sides so are wanting to play elsewhere, the Super Rugby sides all have a full roster of players at the level good enough to play, those who aren't, aren't. Of course a few would come but I'd bet London to a brick that no big name players would come over, let alone players left over from the likes of the NPC. NZR loses players year in year out to overseas teams, and after world cups its always big name players that go, it doesn't stop them putting out the AB's and super rugby teams , their player pathways are well trodden. Brining players from NZ dilutes rugby here, but certainly it would make better watching than what's being dished up now.

2023-05-04T04:49:28+00:00

Rob9

Roar Guru


Thanks for the invite BH and totally agree. Apologies for a post lacking detail and the dig but I find it an ‘out there’ one and it’s hard to know where to start. I’ll give it a crack! In a nutshell; leaning on rugby league’s development pathway (most kids that go on to sign NRL contracts have at least had their toe in said pathway- even those that come from rugby) and then embedding NRL experience as a legitimate pathway option into a professional rugby contract to me seems completely out of this world in terms of routes we should be taking to better the code. The level of entanglement that I feel is being proposed would effectively white-ant rugby’s production line while leaving people at the grassroots feeling completely dismayed. Eg. what’s the point if you’re pushing your best talent into another code in their formative years and/or your best talent is being ignored for those from another game. That’s scratching the surface of it. I could use many, many more words going into issues around the practicalities of such an idea. Eg. how much appropriate talent can the NRL pathway realistically produce for rugby’s (and it’s 15 positions) purposes? Again, appreciate out of the box thinking- it’s probably going to be needed to claw ourselves back. But a pillar (probably the foundation more accurately) of a successful and sustainable sport is it’s junior engagement and pathways. Devoting focus and resources on our own systems (not those from another code) is a non-negotiable. You develop great rugby players by exposing them to and testing them in rugby competitions. I don’t see any shortcuts and ways for a successful sport to avoid that reality.

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