Round 26 Talking Points: JWH, Ricky and a few others a bit 'tired and emotional' as pressure of finals race hits boiling point

By Michael Hagan / Expert

A few people got a bit tired and emotional with finals spots on the line in the second last round and Jared Waerea-Hargreaves and Ricky Stuart in particular could regret their actions. 

We even saw Nathan Cleary, who is as level headed as they come, get cranky with his side after Penrith were short of their best in their loss to Parramatta.

The length of the season, the changes in the interpretation of the six-again, Origin, more sin-binnings, there’s a whole range of factors that make everyone just that little bit more highly strung at this time of year.

It was too little, too late for the Eels but that loss means Brisbane will probably take out the minor premiership and along with Jarome Luai’s shoulder injury putting him out for the next few weeks, the finals series is now much more wide open. 

We still don’t know which eight teams will be in the finals and there’s now five teams fighting it out for the last three spots.

(Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)

The top four is an advantage but finishing top two is huge because it means you’ve got to win a home qualifying final, you get a rest in week two and then you’ve just got to win one more game to be in the Grand Final.

Parramatta showed the teams that make the finals a blueprint for how to beat the Panthers – you’ve got to offload the ball with intent, run the ball on the last tackle, look to kick early but not make any errors, pretty much play the perfect game. 

But even without Luai, they will be very difficult to beat. Jack Cogger has done a fine job filling in here and there this season so he will do his role if Ivan Cleary goes with him ahead of someone like Jaeman Salmon.

There has been a bit of drama at South Sydney too with Sam Burgess leaving the coaching staff. 

It’s hard to know exactly what’s been going on at the Rabbitohs unless you’re in the inner sanctum but if there is a bit of preferential treatment going on for star players, it wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened in rugby league.

They’re such a big club that anything that happens there is going to be magnified but Jason Demetriou got on the front foot and he’s tried to make a stand with some of the decisions that have been made, including Burgess moving on. 

Most clubs have got a few big personalities who will have their say but Demetriou’s got to be able to harness that to make sure they’re assisting him with his overall vision of how he wants the team to play.

Latrell Mitchell with Rabbitohs coach Jason Demetriou. (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

When you’re not winning and playing well, all these things come into the equation.

Looking ahead to their Friday night rumble with the Roosters which is the finals a week early for both teams, Souths will be coming off the bye but the momentum is with their opponents going by recent form. 

But the Roosters have shot themselves in the foot with Waerea-Hargreaves getting charged twice and looking like he won’t play again this year with his couple of brain snaps against the Wests Tigers.

Coming back to on-field discipline, it was just unnecessary because they were well ahead in the game at the time. 

Jared’s a good fella, experienced and he’s actually pretty intelligent but he sails close to the wind and it’s hard to explain what he was thinking there. 

He got away with a few other charges earlier in the season where he escaped with fines instead of suspensions but his track record has caught up with him.

Latrell Mitchell spoke during the week about how he’s tried to get that grubby stuff out of his game after he was banned for his elbow on Tyson Frizell last Sunday. 

It’s a balancing act for players because they need to be aggressive but they can’t let their team down if they engage in foul play. 

It’s not just suspensions putting players out with the importance of injuries also sky high in the final rounds. 

Joey Manu having a hamstring problem could be a major setback for the Roosters even though they’ll get James Tedesco back from his head knock.

Sam Walker being back helped Luke Keary get back to his best and all of a sudden Brandon Smith has been unlocked so they’re dangerous.

Just about every player at this time of year is carrying some sort of injury. I know of one guy who had to have a pain-killing injection to train, then another needle to play and another one at half-time. You can’t fault their bravery.

I remember my final year coaching at Parramatta, we had Nathan Hindmarsh carrying a toe injury and he couldn’t train every week so it was agreed that he could skip most sessions, just do the captain’s run and I think he played every week. 

It’s just what you’ve got to do as coaches sometimes.

As a former coach I can see why Ricky Stuart was so annoyed with some of the decisions that didn’t go his team’s way in Canberra’s loss to Brisbane on Saturday night but it’s still going to be costly for him. 

Jared Waerea-Hargreaves scuffles with Tigers players. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

He’s got some history in that regard and I think the NRL will be sending another fine his way. 

It’s clear that it was the culmination of being unhappy with a number of things over a few weeks and when your team’s up 18-16 and a couple of line-ball decisions go against you, then you get frustrated quickly. 

The competitive nature of coaching is you want to win and it’s like the Anthony Seibold gripe the previous week in the press conference after Manly lost to the Warriors, finals spots are on the line and you want everyone to be accountable if they make mistakes. 

When you go through the pain-staking process of complaining through the official channels days later, it can be infuriating as a coach because you often get the same sort of answers. 

The reality of the situation is you can’t dwell on it because you’ve got to start planning for the next week and do it all again. 

It’s that exhausting coaching process that you deal with all the time. 

Canberra’s form in the past four weeks doesn’t really put them in a strong position for next Sunday’s game against Cronulla and the finals.

Ricky’s entitled to have a whinge but when you boil it right down, his team’s not playing well enough.

Knights celebrate the try of Kalyn Ponga. (Photo by Jenny Evans/Getty Images)

Newcastle Old Boys delighted by Sharks mauling

I was very fortunate to present jerseys to the Newcastle team on Sunday alongside Paul Harragon and Brad Godden as part of Old Boys Day. 

The Knights were honouring their 1992 team that was the first to make the finals, which I was a part of, and it’s always special to be part of pre-game presentations like that.

But it’s so much more special when the team goes out and puts on a performance like they did against Cronulla.

It was like the days of old for Newcastle with a sell-out crowd and the team playing a tough style, topped off by Kalyn Ponga’s brilliance. 

His run from the backfield early in the second half when he collected the ball just inside the sideline and then sprinted through and around the teeth of the Sharks defence was special. 

You don’t get that kind of play from a run of the mill player, it was a star turn. 

But it wasn’t just him – the whole side muscled up. Old stagers like Dane Gagai and Tyson Frizell have found the fountain of youth and the rest of the team is playing off the back of Ponga’s touches of class.

He got a standing ovation when he came off with his shoulder injury in the second half and if it’s only a bit of damage to his AC joint, he should only miss next Saturday’s game against the Dragons and be right for the finals.

And the way he and the entire side is playing, they’ll be a dangerous proposition in the playoffs.

The Crowd Says:

2023-08-28T21:36:09+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Damn, he’s probably still quicker than Frawley :silly:

2023-08-28T14:49:51+00:00

Big Mig

Roar Rookie


...and JWH has the gall to fight his charge for whacking Api. It would be crazy if the MRC decided to overturn his suspension and only fine him.

2023-08-28T04:29:23+00:00

RedcliffeFan

Roar Rookie


"His (Ponga's) run from the backfield early in the second half when he collected the ball just inside the sideline and then sprinted through and around the teeth of the Sharks defence was special." There was no "teeth" in the Sharks' defence. Nothing new in that area. Just the 32 points let in - business as usual from the losers from the Shire.

2023-08-28T03:43:21+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


I might actually believe that they are.

2023-08-28T03:35:14+00:00

Heyou

Roar Rookie


Yes rest up K Ponga and give SGI a smidgen of hope for a victory at the last.

2023-08-28T02:56:02+00:00

Tim Carter

Roar Pro


And learnt utterly nothing from the experience.

2023-08-28T02:46:13+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


He was talking to Mariota that’s how they usually communicate with one another.

2023-08-28T02:08:13+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Definitely forward from the hands. Given the position of the surrounding players it would have hard to throw it backwards. Ricky’s argument is pathetic. He knows the rules but complaining that it applied to them. When the opposition scores 4 tries untouched, a 50/50 isn’t the deciding factor. Staggs was 2/6, they were close without ever being in it.

2023-08-28T01:47:57+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


You really want this underdog status don’t you… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-08-28T01:47:25+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


It was one of those ones that wouldn’t surprise either way On the plus side Fogarty’s momentum was stopped suddenly, which always makes it look worse and he did have his hands out in front of his body On the minus side, the ball definitely travelled forward But my point is more about coaches picking out a 50/50 decision that went against them and saying “it cost us the game” and ignoring the 50/50 calls that went in their favour… it’s so childish

2023-08-28T01:05:33+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that was forward. It’s the first I’ve mentioned it for fear of coming off as a whinging winner.

2023-08-28T00:12:45+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Looks like the Bronco’s are a shoo-in to win the GF.

2023-08-28T00:09:26+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


It’s ok. Ricky Stuart has been banned from playing next weekend? :laughing:

2023-08-28T00:08:24+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


I remember him using his arm to break RCG’s jaw . He got the man of the match award for his performance in that game . Than nothing to answer for , for breaking RCG’s jaw. Nothing new there of course.

2023-08-27T23:52:37+00:00

Luke S

Roar Rookie


The referees also missed Horsburgh's shoulder charge on Jensen which was serious enough to warrant a 3-week suspension by the match review committee, so the Raiders got the rub of the green with things being missed by the referees in the game too. I don't recall Kevin Walters stalking the touchline and telling cameramen to FO when the Broncos were crashing out to miss the finals last year or the two terrible years before that...

2023-08-27T23:14:32+00:00

BigGordon

Roar Rookie


I found it hard to reconcile JWH overall disciplinary record with Hagan's comment that "he's actually pretty intelligent". Completely agree with your comments about JWH being one of the best props for a decade and a half, but he's obviously let himself down with his inability to adapt. Intelligent footballers can play with tonnes of aggression but not cross the line, which has changed significantly since he started in first grade. Sadly that's not the case for big Jared.

2023-08-27T23:13:42+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


If Ponga is out you can put a line through the Knights too…

2023-08-27T22:40:48+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


JWH’s hit on Koroisau was absolutely daft and ill disciplined It would have been bad enough in the first 10 minutes when it was game on But the game was done and dusted. The Roosters should have been thinking about this weekend In football terms I rate JWH in the top couple of props of the past decade. He’s been a rock that the Roosters have built their success on. He’s gone toe to toe with the best and the biggest for 15 years and almost 300 games But his legacy won’t include any of that. His name will be mentioned and people will roll their eyes and talk about the cheap shot they best remember him for

2023-08-27T22:36:23+00:00

E-Meter

Roar Rookie


Lots of imposters in the finals or still competing for the finals. Obviously the top 4 are all a chance, although I predict early exit for the Warriors. On the bottom half, Newcastle are the only contenders. Love the way they are playing right now. Home semi chance gives them a real boost. For the also rans you've got Cronulla, Canberra, Souths, Easts and the Cowboys. Nothing to get excited about with those plodding varieties.

2023-08-27T22:35:20+00:00

Polymath

Roar Rookie


He simply can’t control himself. He needs professional help to manage his anger.

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