'An experienced 10 would have helped': Wallabies open up on on failed World Cup they'll have to 'live with'

By The Roar / Editor

In comments bound to raise eyebrows in Melbourne, Rebels-bound star prop Taniela Tupou says the Wallabies’ World Cup flop was down to the young side, particularly at fly-half, not being able to handle the pressure.

The fallout and inquest into the Wallabies’ horrendous World Cup campaign is continuing despite their fate being sealed some five weeks ago.

Rugby Australia is currently conducting a review – less than 12 months after their last one found wide-ranging support of former coach Dave Rennie from the players – into the failed year, which saw Wallabies coach Eddie Jones resign late last month.

Consecutive defeats to Fiji (22-15) and Wales (40-6) put the Wallabies on the brink of an early exit, before their fate was sealed soon after when Portugal failed to win by more than eight points over their Pacific rivals in the final match of Pool C.

The nightmare tournament coincided with reports that Jones was interviewing with the Japan Rugby Football Union a fortnight out from their World Cup opener.

Eddie Jones and Carter Gordon talk during a Wallabies training session. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Jones has since left his post, citing RA’s inability to deliver on promises, but his departure one season into a five-year deal has left a bitter aftertaste, particularly having repeatedly said he was “committed” to Australian rugby.

The decision to go into the tournament with an unproven, inexperienced squad – the youngest at this year’s campaign and indeed the youngest Wallabies World Cup squad since 1991 – also backfired in the short-term.

Whether it pays off long-term remains to be seen, but Jones has won no friends by walking away so soon after farewelling several household names, including Michael Hooper and playmakers Bernard Foley and Quade Cooper, and ushering through the next generation.

Tupou, who missed the defeats to Fiji and Wales alongside captain Will Skelton because of injury, said he was surprised that Jones had gone into the World Cup without an experienced voice at fly-half to complement emerging talents Carter Gordon and Ben Donaldson.

“When Eddie named that team, what I was thinking at the time was that Eddie has been in the World Cup [before]. He knows what he’s doing. I’m going to trust him,” Tupou told the BallCarrier Rugby podcast ahead of the Barbarians’ fixture against Wales in Cardiff last week.

 “Then I went to the World Cup and it didn’t happen. When the pressure was on, you needed guys who could handle pressure. We had guys who couldn’t do that.

“I don’t want to sit here and moan that it could have been this or that but an experienced 10 would have helped … or anyone who could have sat in the driver’s seat.

“When the team was named and I looked at the squad, it was a lot different to Dave [Rennie’s squad]. We knew how to play with each other.”

Carter Gordon and Ben Donaldson both struggled in the No.10 jersey. (Photo by Warren Little/Getty Images)

Gordon, 22, was pulled from the field after 50 minutes against Fiji.

His tough afternoon in Saint Etienne was highlighted by his inability to get a hand on a box kick, which led to Fiji’s only try to Josua Tuisova. Tupou will join Gordon at the Rebels in 2024 after making a high-profile switch from the Queensland Reds.

Donaldson, who was a controversial selection at fullback for the opening two Tests of the tournament, was then shifted to fly-half for their do-or-die clash against Wales but struggled and was also dragged early.

Teammate Angus Bell said injuries had cruelled the Wallabies’ World Cup hopes.

In the days leading up to their clash against Fiji, Skelton suffered a calf injury 48 hours after Tupou had pinged his hamstring at training. Both didn’t feature again in the World Cup.

Without the duo, as well as regular first-choice tight-head prop Allan Alaalatoa, the Wallabies’ scrum struggled just weeks after doing a number on France’s set-piece in their final match before the World Cup in France.

“Injuries cruelled us a lot,” said Bell, who sat alongside Tupou and Rob Leota for the podcast that was hosted by former Scottish international Ryan Wilson.

“They say the most important position … is at tight-head prop. Losing him [Tupou] was probably one of the biggest [factors]. We lost Allan Alaalatoa, who is a world-class tight-head. We lost Nela, who is one of the better tight-heads in the world. We lost Skelts, who is probably the in-form lock in the world currently. So you lose 315kg on the right side of your scrum [and it hurt].

“We came into the World Cup where we played France, who have Uini Atonio, we genuinely got scrum penalties against France who are one of the better scrums in the world and then we played against Georgia and we did really well as well.

“The boys who came in did a job but I believe injuries were the biggest thing in the World Cup. My opinion is it would have been a different result if we didn’t get those injuries and we stayed that solid team that we had.”

Angus Bell believes injuries to Taniela Tupou (R) and Will Skelton cruelled the Wallabies’ hopes. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Tupou said he was left devastated by the injury and was desperate to return in time for a quarter-final that never eventuated, but added it was up to the current crop of players to change the perception of the team.

“I was dying to play. I was hoping Portugal somehow pulled something out. I was dying to offer something and play,” he said.

“Coming back from a calf injury, ribs, Achilles, I pretty much hadn’t played a game in two years and worked so hard to get to the World Cup and ‘bang, I only played one game.’

“I was happy and sad watching the game. After the game, I didn’t know how to feel. I woke up and knew it was done. It took me a while to accept that was that.

“It’s something we’ll have to live with for the rest of our lives. People will say we were the worst Wallaby team ever at a World Cup and whether we like it or not, we’ll have to live with it and it’s up to us to change it.”

Bell, who like Tupou said he enjoyed working under Jones, added that watching the World Cup final from home had left him wanting more.

“We sat home at 6am and watched the Springboks verse the All Blacks and you saw the result of the Springboks winning and what it means for the country and how passionate they are. It leaves a burning desire to want to be successful in a World Cup,” the 23-year-old prop said.

“Obviously it’s the pinnacle in our sport. It burns, it hurts. Watching South Africa win is something that hurt, but we can only look forward.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-11-16T03:41:14+00:00

Honest Max

Roar Rookie


I’m only gojng what I’ve heard that players are saying.

2023-11-14T21:19:52+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


I think the drama over Jones, especially the Japan thing, has been overdone. Sadly I think we will be looking at his next appointment and understanding things a lot better. I think Kerevi was the biggest single problem. He had an unbelievable 2021, only played half the tests and still nominated for World player of the year. Off the back of that, Cooper also played four of his best games for the Wallabies, as a group of games it was probably his best work. The fifth, without Kerevi against Japan was a shocker. Both have been injured pretty much since then. Cooper was given plenty of games by Jones to secure his place. Maybe it was Jones, but Kerevi offered nothing. With more games I think Jones would have cycled through his options and come back to Cooper. I saw a stat that Australia went outside the second receiver the second least times in the competition. He hardly broke the line, and usually only one or maybe two defenders were required to stop him. Not recovered from injury or past it. Iketau was missed but I don’t think he should have been taken injured as he was. He probably would have been Jorgenson’s replacement I guess. Back in Europe as soon as he was fit. Looking forward to seeing Gordon again in 2024. Kicking for the wingers was probably the only way they were getting the ball. Does not showcase his strengths at all.

2023-11-14T20:27:59+00:00

Guess

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I think Jones whole campaign was a gamble and it was crazy to not select cooper but Gordon’s inexperience wasn’t the main problem in the end. He was given a plan that didn’t work and was blamed for it. Cooper (nor Hooper for that matter) wouldn’t have made a difference. In fact Cooper was demoted to the bench at first because he couldn’t execute Jones’ plan either. Gordon didn’t play anything like that at the Rebels. He was free to make decisions, based on what I heard. Jones chose him because he stood out and then put him in his narrow-minded box of kicking it to wingers, and then wondered why he couldn’t do it, especially with white as 9. What’s disappointing is that lots of people actually see it the way Jones does. Imo it’s pointless to blame any player in particular when they weren’t given good system in first place. The main problem was Jones. His selections and his plan. Agree with you on McLennan. He’s a lost case and needs to go

2023-11-14T03:58:28+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


Yes. All I remember of the game is one very ugly kick floating around on the way to the posts. I think it was Fox's winning kick, but maybe it was Lynagh's miss.

2023-11-14T03:44:29+00:00

jimmy jones

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was that the game that ended 6-3? i remember he got hammered by mark Carter in that match

2023-11-13T14:07:40+00:00

Docshay

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I'm not sure about that, Max.. I suspect that he was more trouble than he was worth at the Reds. His laziness would have infuriated Thorn, and may have contributed to his move South.

2023-11-13T13:55:29+00:00

Docshay

Roar Rookie


This sort of talk would have not gone down well with Brad Thorn; perhaps that explains Nela's move to the Rebels?

2023-11-13T10:33:08+00:00

MalBreakaway

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:thumbup: I agree. A sociopath like HM will manipulate themselves into power by managing all those around them without any regard for actually improving the business at hand, and has no interest in the subject of the business beyond their own betterment. Removing such personality disorders from Rugby Australia is critical for sincere rugby development at management level. :rugby:

2023-11-13T09:01:57+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


More refreshment Harry - “ Experience (including tournament experience) and cohesion counts. If this Rugby World Cup proved anything, it was that experience, including tournament experience, and cohesion cannot be understated. Hugely impactful back-up options from teams like Wales and South Africa proved the importance of depth in a squad.” Stirling Mortlock

2023-11-12T20:02:50+00:00

WhoDis

Roar Rookie


Why doesn’t he point the finger at himself? Like, I know I break down more than a Datsun 1200 and if I’d been on the pitch more, our fortunes may have been different?

2023-11-12T19:33:31+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


Mentally and physically. A true Marcus Aurelius.

2023-11-12T13:12:58+00:00

Dean

Roar Rookie


Disappointing that Carter is being hung out to dry. Perhaps a competent 9 in that match would have helped. Perhaps having Ikitau would have helped. Oh, wait, our biggest issue was an ineffective pack against both Fiji and Wales.

2023-11-12T11:46:46+00:00

Lord Ted Said

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Mark Loane, as far as I was concerned in 1977, was the best player Australia had.

2023-11-12T11:42:24+00:00

Lord Ted Said

Roar Rookie


It wasn’t that different

2023-11-12T11:41:13+00:00

Lord Ted Said

Roar Rookie


Because he’s a slightly overrated fairy? I say that tongue-in-cheek but seriously you can go and watch grade/subbies/etc on any Saturday arvo and see rugby played well. people commit their bodies for nothing but the satisfaction of having competed. It’s there. But corralling that all with the tyranny of distance and funds and goodwill and politics. We all know what we want…

2023-11-12T11:34:17+00:00

Lord Ted Said

Roar Rookie


U and the rest of the sewing circle….

2023-11-12T11:13:41+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


And yes we need to find a way to “claw (our) way back from this debacle that has set rugby back 10+ years”. But for now, there is a need to rearrange the office, and lance a couple of boils.

2023-11-12T11:09:47+00:00

Mike88

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Yeah I just watched the whole thing. They were drinking beers right through this Ryan Thomas and Rob Leota were sideways by the end. Fine if you want to drink beers and chat but really unprofessional to be quoted on players and team performance. Looks ugly. Think a few players could point to Tupou and say maybe get fit properly and lose some kgs so less chance of being injured every five mins. He's also a bit of a penalty magnet. Great scrummager but nowhere near the complete player.

2023-11-12T10:59:52+00:00

Ruckin' Oaf

Roar Rookie


Yeah mistakes were made why bother trying to learn anything from em.

2023-11-12T10:10:48+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


I know the phantom would be a good rugby player.

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