Pressure Points: The Kiss of life? Les has habits to shake at the Reds

By Nick Wasiliev / Editor

There is a lot riding on the Les Kiss era for Queensland, both for the state and the man himself. 

His journey back to Queensland has been a long one, encompassing codes and continents, almost as long as the Reds journey to recovery following the years of instability after their famous 2011 title.

On paper, it is a perfect match. Kiss, a coach who has built himself up over 26 years from many successes and failures, inheriting a Reds side with as many peaks and troughs in their history. 

Queensland Reds coach Les Kiss. (Photo by Brendan Hertel, QRU)

But the challenges Kiss faces are issues he has tried (and failed) to address at previous clubs before, which begs the question: is Kiss able to break many issues that have seemingly presented themselves at the Reds? Equally so, will the Reds be receptive to his experience? They should be.

Making the transition from league over to union in 2001 as an assistant coach for the Springboks, Kiss quickly developed a knack for crafting strong defense, a skill galvanised as assistant coach at the Tahs where he took them to their first ever grand final in 2005 and again in 2008. This proved a vital stepping stone to further success back in Europe, where, as defence coach of Ireland, he would be instrumental in three Six Nations titles and a Grand Slam. 

His strength in constructing resolute defence made him a rising star of the game, and one of Queensland’s most underappreciated rugby exports, in both codes. Considering the list, that was saying something. However, his transition into the head coach space was far from smooth.

Despite moments of positivity, like making the PRO12 semi-finals in 2015-16, his stint as Director of Rugby (and interim head coach) at Ulster ended with what has come to be known as the “basket case” season of 2017-18, which saw coach Jono Gibbes depart after just one season, multiple player controversies and a poor run of form. 

Kiss departed before the season was out. It was a ship he couldn’t turn around, a club filled with issues that needed change. The club has subsequently undergone a rebuild under current coach Dan McFarland.

It felt eerily similar to the underperforming Reds following Ewen McKenzie’s departure, as Richard Graham, Matt O’Connor and Nick Stiles couldn’t yield the results on the field. Fortunately for Kiss, it proved to be a lesson well-learned, as his next stint as head coach of London Irish proved much more successful.

Reds look dejected at full time during the round 11 Super Rugby Pacific match between Queensland Reds and NSW Waratahs at Queensland Country Bank Stadium, on May 06, 2023, in Townsville, Australia. (Photo by Kelly Defina/Getty Images)

Winning the RFU Championship in his first year and promoting the club back to the Gallagher Premiership, Kiss’ shift of focus to strong fundamentals came into its own in the subsequent years, improving on every season, with 2023’s fifth placed finish the highest the club had achieved in 15 years. Throw in two Premiership Cup runner up positions and a knack for nurturing future England talent through the academy, and it seemed like Kiss had finally found his footing, addressing key holes in his coaching strategies. 

That is, until London Irish went into administration in May 2023. But for Queensland, it was the perfect timing.

The Reds have undergone a significant transformation during the time of Kiss’ predecessor, Brad Thorn. After so many years of underperformance, financial strain and more, the decision to hand over the keys to Thorn was a risky one – his previous coaching experience having been leading Queensland Country to the 2017 NRC title. 

But, it was also a reflection of where Queensland needed to go. While the Reds had underperformed, their effective management of the two NRC sides in Brisbane City and Queensland Country had seen the Sunshine State develop stronger depth than their other Australian counterparts, depth that Thorn had worked with personally and could get results from. 

It resulted in a Super Rugby AU title in 2021, in front of the largest crowds the Reds had seen since the 2011 Grand Final. The celebrations continued for two straight days, so long in fact that it coincided with their preparation for Super Rugby Trans-Tasman. They crashed back to earth in their first game against the Highlanders, losing 40-19.

It must have been a good party, because the hangover persisted. While Aussie sides would struggle against the Reds in Super Rugby Pacific, nowhere was the contrast more stark than the Reds’ record against Kiwi sides, with only two wins (both against the Chiefs) recorded between the 2021 Trans-Tasman season and the end of the 2023 season. 

Many factors played a role, with the blooding of especially young players in playmaker roles like Tom Lynagh and Lawson Creighton having drawbacks on several occasions, outclassed by more experienced opposition.

Reds coach Brad Thorn and Tom Lynagh of the Reds during the Super Rugby Pacific Quarter Final match between Chiefs and Reds at FMG Stadium Waikato in Hamilton, New Zealand. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

But, issues seemed to go deeper. Stories of major players not being on board with the coaching style started to emerge, with Reds playmaker Quade Cooper being removed from the squad entirely and gun prop Taniela Tupou also making the decision to leave the club.

Whether players would reveal their displeasure with Thorn or not, it was clear that all was not well through the work rate of many Reds players in 2023, evidenced through examples like issues at scrum time (second worst in the competition for scrum wins), to their ability to read and surprise defensive structures (fifth worst for defenders beaten). Many Reds struggled to also translate through to the Wallabies, with the work rates of Jordan Petaia and Suliasi Vunivalu being frequently found out. 

In short, it suggested one of two things: a lack of trust in the coach, and/or a sizable number of players who were not totally on board with systems, whether it be for professional reasons, moral disagreements around how to play the game, or a clash of egos. 

By mid 2023, it felt like Thorn had taken the Reds as far as he could, and while his achievements were nothing short of phenomenal and the club was in an infinitely better place under his stewardship, it was clear a new change was needed. Enter Kiss. 

From their first match against Panasonic, Kiss’ Reds look to be a more patient side. Early pressure from Panasonic and combinations from the new blood took time to gel, but there was a lot to like from their 31-29 win.

Kiss brings many tools with him the Reds can improve upon immediately: strong defensive structures, a key focus on fundamental parts of the game, and plenty of coaching experience from all parts of the globe – something Thorn the coach hasn’t had the chance to develop yet.  

The Reds also give Kiss plenty of depth, something he has taken full advantage of after spending time out in the Queensland system and signing great talent in the form of Harry McLaughlin-Phillips from Souths and the U20s program, Frankie Goldsbrough in the centres and Tim Ryan in the back three, among several more. 

Kiss has also been quick to recognise that the forward pack is where Queensland lack the most depth, and has rectified the loss of Tupou and Harry Hoopert brilliantly with the signing of experienced heads Alex Hodgman from the Blues and Jeffery Toomaga-Allen from Ulster. 

The Reds celebrate after winning the round 12 Super Rugby Pacific match between Chiefs and Queensland Reds at Yarrow Stadium, on May 12, 2023, in New Plymouth, New Zealand. (Photo by Andy Jackson/Getty Images)

He’s also identified that the locks are also where the Reds lack depth following the departures of Luke Jones and Lopeti Faifua, bringing in the likes of Randwick stalwart Cormac Daly and Sunnybank’s Taine Roiri to support Angus Blyth, Ryan Smith and Connor Vest. 

When you look at the Queensland side, there are options galore. Young, exciting talent who have spent several years at Super Rugby level, ready to blossom under the right coach. Kiss has the skillset and the mindset to make this Queensland side step up to the level Thorn couldn’t. On paper, it is a perfect match.

But, on paper is not where a rugby game is decided. Whether the squad can accept buy-in of Kiss’ strategies is another question entirely. Whether he can get the work rate out of them when the going gets tough won’t be answered until the season begins.

Similar to Ulster, Kiss comes to a franchise ready and ripe for success, but with culture questions still to be answered. Old habits from the Thorn era may die hard, but if Kiss can shake the habits of the past he’ll find plenty of happy hunting back in Brisbane.

The Crowd Says:

2023-12-21T07:47:33+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


Can’t disagree with you re: McKenzie and Bennett. Won’t comment on the other two. Merry Christmas and a Happy and Safe New Year Ace.

2023-12-21T07:43:14+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


I think he as one of the most under rated and under utilised players to cross from RL. I remember breaks down the sideline at Ballymore that other Reds players, and supporters I suspect, didn’t anticipate that caused extra cover defence to be drawn. There were then chances for inside balls that he was ready to deliver and no support in sight. Then he was criticised for being taken into touch! :shocked: A talent never fully realised. :crying:

2023-12-21T05:41:33+00:00

East Coast Aces

Roar Rookie


Good coaches like McKenzie and Wayne Bennett can coach and get the best out of all sorts of different characters. Average coaches like Jones and Thorn can only coach players that do as they are told without any thought or instinct.

2023-12-20T20:43:19+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Same to you BF. Have a cracker!

2023-12-20T13:13:45+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


G’day jeznez. I know how the Reds are going to go, but I’ll let you be surprised. :laughing: :laughing: Looking forward to another thought provoking year of rugby, and some of your “blue-stained” ( :angry: :crying: :laughing: ) observations. Actually, the reason I have “commented” is simply to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Safe New Year.

2023-12-20T09:16:14+00:00

Dean

Roar Rookie


Nice to read a story that encompasses facts, failures and success. Thank you! As a welded on Reds supporter, I enjoyed Thorns tenure and what he bought, I also enjoyed his humility and honesty. I’m looking forward to the Red’s under Kiss. I think he will strengthen the squad and performances.

2023-12-20T00:51:41+00:00

Colvin Brown

Roar Guru


Yes, that's as I understand it, Nick. Who knows what went on between the two of them. Brad and Quade played each other many times and it's probably not too hard to speculate that they may not have been best mates during that time. I can imagine the ABs coaches having plans in place on how to target Quade who at that time was an integral part of the WBs game plan. Disrupt Quade's game and there's was a good chance the WBs game plan could fall apart. So, Brad would have had some more inside knowledge on how to play Quade than other coaches may have had. Of course, it was only after his few years away from the Reds that Quade came back a totally changed person and a much more complete player.

AUTHOR

2023-12-19T23:32:39+00:00

Nick Wasiliev

Editor


I think we have good reason to see an improved performance. Kiss has identified depth issues very quickly and filled where appropriate. There are still holes and inexperience, but the thing on his side is sheer talent many of those inexperienced players have, so he'll be banking on coaching those players correctly and ensuring buy in. Here's hoping he can achieve that. If he gets over that hurdle, he's well on his way.

AUTHOR

2023-12-19T23:29:37+00:00

Nick Wasiliev

Editor


Quade was under a three year contract at the Reds. Brad was announced as the Reds new coach on 5th October 2017 following the removal of Nick Stiles, and the decision to remove Quade from the main squad came shortly afterwards as part of his pre-season preparations. But, because Cooper was still under contract with the QRU and wanted to play for the Reds, he spent the 2018 season playing for Souths in the Hospital Challenge Cup, followed by Brisbane City in the NRC. When he was off contract after 2018, Quade posted on his Instagram account on October 22nd, 2018 with a photograph of him palming off Brad Thorn in Wallabies-All Blacks test match with the caption: "Sometimes you are forced out of the place you love but thank god there’s more than one place that loves me." I think we fundamentally agree on same thing, but it seems very clear that Thorn, even before his first season, was not going to have Quade Cooper in his Reds team.

2023-12-19T22:20:51+00:00

John Ferguson

Expert


Haven't seen him play, will keep an eye out though if he does indeed play.

2023-12-19T22:01:59+00:00

Reds Harry

Roar Rookie


Old mate Picone (agent) did his usual there with Carter and Mason. He's been using rugby players developed in Queensland as feedstock for years. If not the Rebels, Japan teams. As a Reds fan I hate it, but the reality is he provides these players with opportunity and income beyond the finite Queensland Reds resources. And to get away from Brad Thorne. Hopefully under the new regime that adversarial situation with this powerful agent will become more constructive.

2023-12-19T20:34:01+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Lukhan, Rodda, Hocking were 3 fine, one world class, locks who left a team coached by a great lock. There’s something going on there if young blokes don’t see how playing at home under Thorn might improve them

2023-12-19T19:36:09+00:00

Old school rugby

Roar Rookie


The Reds might get Gordon back after reading the article that the Rebels are $9M in the red. That amount of debt might not get them to the starting blocks in 2024.

2023-12-19T17:10:39+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I hope he does well and the Reds can push on. I wonder how much Thorn believed the Reds could beat the NZ sides and if it fed through to the squad. Will be interested to see if he brings some NH defence patterns or will he have to adapt it due to the skill set.

2023-12-19T12:49:03+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


:happy: :thumbup:

2023-12-19T12:31:22+00:00

Frank from Geebung

Roar Rookie


It’d be good to see a young bloke like Jonte Connolly get some experience. Big body, fast and skilful, plus he’s a Brothers man.

2023-12-19T11:51:18+00:00

Jez North

Roar Rookie


Connor Vest’s last couple of games before fracturing his neck were very promising. He even bossed the Chiefs forwards. Without Tupou though there are no explosive runners in the forwards and agree the midfield does not look terribly threatening. I bet the Reds wish they never let Carter Gordon go.

2023-12-19T10:06:31+00:00

Dida

Roar Rookie


Yeah I was reading and thinking the same. Depth as in there are guys in the squad, but currently haven’t proven much. I won’t be convinced by the depth until I see them on the park playing SR. However I do think Kiss is the right guy to steer the ship at the Reds. Probably could have done with a few bigger names in the squad but that was not to be for this season. Hopefully before 2025 they can recruit a couple of key signings to strengthen the experience. Also, I still feel the backline has lacked a bit of size the last few years. Not sure why but the Reds have looked on the light side for a few season in the backs which has its challenges.

2023-12-19T09:39:38+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


:thumbup:

2023-12-19T09:28:40+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


You too Tim, best wishes to you and the family :)

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