Nine talking points from NRL Round 25

By Scott Pryde / Expert

The NRL regular season is over, and after some final jostling of the ladder, we can finally switch the radar to finals. Here are my talking points for Round 25.

Thanks JT
If there was ever a player who deserved to go out a winner in this competition, it’s Johnathan Thurston.

It’ll be argued about forever and a day, but whether the man known as JT is the greatest player in history or not is completely and utterly irrelevant right now.

What we know for certain, is that Thurston was a once in a generation player who will be sorely missed by the game as he drifts off into retirement.

While his on-field vision, play and career accolades speak for themselves, they don’t begin to tell the story of the impact he has had on the code, his hometown of Townsville and the future of the game.

People want to be just like Thurston. The respect he has shown for the community, the fans, the ballboys, the administrators, the officials. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say he has done more for rugby league in this country than nearly any other player.

He will move into a role in the media moving forward, and while 2018 won’t be remembered as his fondest season on the field, it’s not the one which should define our memories of Thurston.

No, instead, we should remember Thurston for his dominance at Origin level, the 2015 grand final field goal, and his general grittiness to get the job done every time he put a jersey on.

This sport will miss Thurston, and he deserves every credit he gets as he moves into retirement.

Thanks for everything JT.

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In the finals, all we ask for is consistency
This will hopefully be my final rant about refereeing for the season – but ahead of the finals, it’s almost the law to say something, with standards falling in certain games over the weekend.

I’ll do this for the most part without mentioning specific games because I reckon a vast majority of you know where I’m heading, but the bunker, while getting plenty right, have made some mind-boggling decisions in the last couple of weeks.

The problem for mine seems to be the lack of understanding and clarity over both grounding and the obstruction rule, both of which seem to come into question nearly every single weekend of the premiership.

Grounding is one of those things that, when you watch it in slow motion, there becomes a problem. Telling whether a player had downward pressure on the ball and remained in control all the way to the ground can’t be done frame by frame.

What defies belief is how Zac Lomax was robbed of a try in Saturday afternoon’s game, but both Ken Sio and Shaun Kenny-Dowall were awarded theirs.

That is going to sound like a case of ‘bitter Dragons fan gets angry at NRL officials,’ but trust me, it’s not. There have been other instances.

The obstruction rule also continues to go from blunder to blunder. It’s almost like no one – players included – know what the rule is going to be from week-to-week.

It’s a bad look for the game, and when it costs someone a premiership (as it inevitably will one of these years), there becomes a problem.

The other issue I’d bring up talking about the current state of officiating is penalty counts.

I’m not saying there is a conspiracy, but they feel manufactured at times. Rugby league fans, contrary to popular belief outside the code, aren’t stupid.

There are far too many occasions when only one team is being officiated, the other allowed to get away with blue bloody murder on the ground, in the tackle and in terms of being offside.

This needs to be cleaned up. Frankly, as long as we can agree on rules and then get them right a majority of the time, I don’t care.

Just be consistent. At the moment, NRL officials wouldn’t know what consistency was if it punched them in the face.

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Was six weeks off the best thing GI could have had?
If there is a player who looks like he is starting to peak and get to his absolute best level of footy heading into September, it’s Rabbitohs centre Greg Inglis.

While he has been a part of that dominant Rabbitohs left edge attack all season long, he has gone to another level heading into the finals.

While no player wants to be injured and spending time on the sidelines, it could be the injury and six-week break away from playing which has sparked GI into what may be the best form he has displayed since the Rabbitohs went to the premiership in 2014.

Even though he was playing at a different position – fullback – during that run to the premiership, we are starting to see that GI come back onto the footy field. The one who scares opposition defensive lines everytime he takes on the line, the one who commands multiple defenders on every carry and the one no one wants to run at.

That GI – the one who was once touted as a future immortal and talked about in the same breath as his former Melbourne Storm commrades Billy Slater, Cooper Cronk and Cameron Smith – has made his return.

It’d be fair to say Inglis was never playing poor footy, but he is the X-Factor who can ensure the Rabbitohs have attacking spark out left. Robert Jennings is the luckiest man on Earth to be playing outside him heading into the finals, as it was all too clear to see on Thursday night in their 51-10 rout of the Tigers.

Him at his best, in that Bunnies left side with Cody Walker, John Sutton and Jennings on the outside is just an extremely difficult prospect for any opposition team to handle.

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The Sharks attack is damaging at its best
One of the most impressive things about the Sharks this year is their attack.

They have weapons all over the park. As I wrote a few weeks ago, Andrew Fifita can be an X-Factor for this club when he is switched on and firing at his best.

He proved that on Sunday afternoon, mauling the Bulldogs up the middle third of the ground. While it’s all good and well to have a dominant forward pack led by a man who, at his best, could lay claim to being one of the best in the game, they still need the weapons to finish it off.

If you look back to the start of the season, the Sharks were a rabble in attack. Valentine Holmes didn’t know his place at the back and looked uncertain in carrying it out, Matt Moylan’s attack was pretty poor, Jayden Brailey was lost and Chad Townsend didn’t have the spark to do it all on his own.

Fast forward six weeks and it’s a completely different looking Cronulla outfit. Moylan has hit form, Holmes is hitting the potential we all knew he was capable of and in turn, that’s taking the pressure off Townsend who is directing his troops around the park solidly.

This is a Cronulla team who, while maintaining their defensive roots which won them the 2016 premiership under coach Shane Flanagan, have all the weapons to turn it on, with outside backs in the shape of Sosaia Feki, Josh Dugan, Ricky Leutele and dominating young centre Jesse Ramien.

Defensive outfits, starting with the Roosters next week, should be concerned.

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The Dragons beat the Knights, but the same problems are still there
The Red V got an all-important two competition points leading into the finals, and while it might give them a little bit of momentum and confidence, they still have a heap to work on if they even want to be competitive next week.

The Dragons are facing a hellish trip to Brisbane for the opening week of the finals, and if they play like they did against Newcastle, they will have the cleaners put through them.

In saying that, there was more mettle in defence as they spent most of the first half on their own line, while they did have a little bit to crow about with their attack in the second.

The return of Gareth Widdop will be helpful for the Red V, taking some pressure off Ben Hunt, but to win, they are going to need to play direct, have Matt Dufty at his best and not put a foot wrong.

Based on their last two months, it seems like a mere formality that they won’t be advancing past Week 1 of the finals.

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The Raiders final ten minutes sums up their season
It’s been an incredibly tough season for the Raiders – there’s no getting around that fact.

They have lost a stack of games they should have won. Heck, even wins in half of the games they have been leading with 20 minutes to go probably would have sent them hurtling into contention for a berth in the top four, rather than languishing well behind the top eight.

Their final ten mintues of the season in Auckland on Friday just about summed it up for the Green Machine as well.

Four points behind, they had at least three opportuntities to score a match-winning try with quality field territory and plenty of possession, but somehow found a way not to score, dropping the ball and struggling big time with the ball in hand.

The Raiders will be better in 2019. A full season of Josh Hodgson and hopefully a settled halves combination before things get underway will help Ricky Stuart’s mob, but it still doesn’t change the fact they crumble under pressure.

Roughly the same 17 are going to be there under the same coach. Turning things around is going to take a lot of work through the off-season, trying to identify the issues and why they would turn from hero to zero at the back end of games.

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Latrell Mitchell can be the most damaging centre in the game
A hat-trick for Mitchell on Saturday night against the Eels will fill him with confidence ahead of the NRL finals, with a clash against the Sharks first on the agenda for his Roosters.

Mitchell put on a display of attacking rugby league throughout the first half of the game, and continued into the second as he racked up the points.

At the end of the season, he is the second highest point-scorer in the competition, with his goal-kicking aiding in that process as well.

It’s not just his ability to bust the line and score points though. For Mitchell, he has it all. Strenth, size, big runs out of his own end and he is damaging wherever he gets the ball on the park with the heads up vision of few other centre running around in the game today.

Despite that, under pressure, he is known to have a brain explosion in his game.

Whether it’s rushing out of the defensive line when he doesn’t need to, giving away a silly penalty or dropping the ball in a bad spot, Mitchell is still a youngster and it shows at times.

During the finals, for the Roosters to be successful, he needs to be at his best – not just some of the time – but for all of it. The whole 80 mintues of every game.

Mitchell is such a key player for the Roosters, but in his hands, he can hold the keys to them winning or losing, depending on how he plays.

Scoring a hat-trick is all good and well, but dropping the ball in the wrong spot or making a defensive error with five minutes to go can ruin all of that in a heartbeat.

This man has the potential to be the best centre in the game. It’s time for him to prove it over the next month.

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Penrith get Melbourne in Melbourne, but does it mean anything?
The return of James Maloney at the foot of the mountains couldn’t have come any sooner for the Panthers, who turned things around with a scrappy, but still solid win over the Storm on Friday night.

It was a gutsy performance from the Panthers. They faced a mounting penalty count in the first half and two players in the sin bin, but managed to hold strong on their line and keep close enough for a second half comeback when the momentum and tempo of the game finally started to flip around.

Maloney was a key part of their victory, taking the pressure off Nathan Cleary to do absolutely everything, while also providing more quality ball to their outside backs in the 22-16 win.

It has to be noted the Storm were severely understrength for the game, but winning any match against any team named the Storm in Melbourne is a tough ask, no matter who is lining up across from you in the purple jerseys.

While Penrith still have a ways to go with their attack, it’s their defence which has been letting them down over the last few weeks.

An embarrassing 36-16 loss to the Warriors in Auckland last week needed to be acted upon, and it was so. They sharpened up their defence, and while one week doesn’t promise consistency moving forward, it does leave the prospect that they might get back to where they have been throughout the season.

If their defence is firing, then anything is possible for the men from the foot of the mountains, who know a thing or two about coming back late in games.

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Should Jake Turpin be given a run throughout the NRL finals?
Turpin made his debut during the State of Origin window for the Broncos and played again during the final round of the season with the regular Broncos rake sitting out with concussion.

The question though – should Turpin be given a run as something of a livewire during the finals?

I say why not?

Turpin is a strong enough player and has some qualities. While he hasn’t played a huge number of NRL games, he could easily slot into the back row for some minutes through the middle of the game against tired defenders if need be.

It’s the tired defenders argument which gives the most weight to the argument for Turpin to have a run off the bench though.

McCullough has been a little bit up and down for form at times this year. He is an 80-minute player, but you almost wonder if, given the amount of defence he does in the middle third of the field, playing 60 minutes would allow his impact to be greatly increased in attack out of dummy half.

If the option is there and coach Wayne Bennett can sacrifice a spot on the bench, there is every chance of this working wonders for Brisbane.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 25? Drop a comment below and let us know.

As a sidenote, thanks for your readership throughout 2018 on these talking points. I love writing them and it allows us all to chat about the greatest game of all on a Sunday night and into Monday. See you for game-by-game wraps during the finals!

The Crowd Says:

2018-09-03T07:54:04+00:00

Bernie Vinson

Roar Rookie


Its any wonder the AFL has caught up with the NRL in TV ratings esp on a weekly basis http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-10/chart-of-the-day-nrl-afl-attendances-tv-ratings/10065254. I think the Warriors game was before the All Blacks as a leadin

2018-09-03T07:51:26+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Ha, after my tipping this year there's not so much of the hard earned left. Probably proive me wrong but I got a feeling of a top 4 and bottom 4 GF, possibly a bottom 4 changing the trend. Bodes well for my team but looking at the Warriors such is the weird trend this season.

2018-09-03T07:33:54+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Albo I fully agree, the Olympic stadium is a disgrace and a shameful show for any NRL game except for a GF or a SOO game, it looks disgraceful even with 22-30k there. You can also add that the Olympic stadium is definitely not the Bunnies home ground, there was only one home ground for the Bunnies and that was Redfern Oval and the second was the SCG, that is where we played most of our games and the legend of the Bunnies belongs, there are no other substitutes!!!

2018-09-03T07:13:06+00:00

Brendon Waldron

Roar Pro


Top 4 get prime Friday and Saturday night spots and they can't swap it with the Broncos home game at 5:30 Saturday because Suncorp is unavailable because of the Wallabies. It's a Penrith 'home' game, being played in the only available time slot and the Warriors finshed 8th, so they don't exactly get (or deserve) the most consideration...

2018-09-03T04:37:22+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Add to that scheduling the Warriors game when the All Blacks are playing...lunacy.

2018-09-03T04:33:07+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Agree with your comments especially on Slater which hasn't been mentioned much. He has been overplaying his hand and at times playing like he did when he first started with very low percent plays that don't come off. I also think Smith is doing the same and overcompensating. When he finally let the ball go quick to the halves in the 2nd half on Saturday the Storm looked a lot better. He only seems to trust Munster and teams are working that out and shutting him down. The split second he was taking to have a look on every play on Friday meant his halve were getting shut down by the defence. I fear your straight sets scenario is bang on.

2018-09-03T04:28:11+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Storm play Rabbits but I think your point still stands as the bunnies are back on the rise and have a huge forward pack and a flash for hooker.

2018-09-03T04:28:07+00:00

bbt

Guest


The total stupidity by the NRL in the final series is to have Storm vs Rabbitohs on Friday night, up against the Melbourne vs Geelong game. Saturday night - no AFL game. Quite a few Melbourne AFL supporters are also Storm supporters. Then, Saturday night, while Swans vs GWS is on at the SCG, they have Roosters vs Sharks at Allianz!!!! Surely a minute's thought would have swapped the 2 games.

2018-09-03T04:25:38+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


That's pretty crazy scheduling if they've scheduled to clash with the ABs. I think they lose a lot more than half of NZ viewers if that's the case.

2018-09-03T04:21:21+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


I get your point but it's a coincidence that this all happened. If Manly, Dragons etc. get a home final, should they also host it at their home grounds? I agree with what you're saying but just don't see how it can be fairly applied.

2018-09-03T04:13:46+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


The finals series could rest on the health of Sam Burgess I suspect. It was clear to me he was playing injured recently but if he is in good shape I believe they have the comps dominant pack. The Storm were badly rattled in the finals last year by the Eels and I reckon they look capable of unraveling in the next few weeks.

2018-09-03T03:53:26+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Agree as well with your assessment of week one. I think the Sharks can limit the Roosters and Wade Graham has a not so soft spot on his shoulder for Cronk. I've seen him put Cronk off his game when playing at the Storm. Also they have the defense out wide to limit Mitchell who I think is the biggest strike weapon the Roosters have. When they lost to the Raiders is was due to a great defensive job by Leilua and Rapana. Storm are limping into this finals series and with Chambers still out that means GI should have a field day with the form he is in. Asofa-Solomona is still a week away and those coming back will be under an injury cloud. They need big fit bodies to get in front of the Burgii or it will get ugly. I think the Warriors are a good chance. Harris really limited Kikau's impact when they last met. Even with the win over Melbourne, the Panthers were actually terrible in that game, especially the first half. I don't think that win is the resurgence Panthers fans are hoping for. I do think they have been dudded with their home semi as playing in Penrith is a whole different scene.

2018-09-03T03:36:28+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


But Andrew, Allianz is the Roosters ( 1st) home Ground and fair enough , they were minor premiers and should get home ground advantage & 2 bites of the cherry . But Suncorp is also the Broncos (6th) home ground . AAMI Park is also the Storm's (2nd) home ground. But ANZ Stadium is not the Panthers (5th) home ground and is probably more a disincentive for Panthers locals to make the trip, costs & hassles to get to Homebush. They are surely being discriminated against with these rules ? We know there won't be more than 22,000 at ANZ Stadium for this match anyway. So only one team will not get its rightful home ground advantage for finishing 5th whereas even the team finishing 6th will ?

2018-09-03T03:26:18+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Agree on everything about JT, what a player! Agree on consistency with refs, that example cost me as well as I had Dragons 13+ Sharks v Roosters is going to be a cracker! I have these two teams as my pick for premiers and they face off in the first week of finals. That said the Rabbits have the personnel to beat the Roosters, especially the forwards and GI to mark Mitchell. One of the issues I saw with the Dragons on the weekend is the over reliance on Dufty in their attacking plays. Its pretty much do some inner passing and then pass to Dufty. He was well marked. I think Widdop brings a point of difference especially kicking behind the rush defence which should have happened after the umpteenth time the Knights hammered Dufty. Agree on Latrell, he will be the difference for the Roosters to win the big one. Manu on the other side is coming along nicely as well. I don't know how Storm can overcome the Rabbits this week. They are going in injured and out of form against a re surging rabbits with a fully fit and firing GI. Jake Turpin....he would have been handy after the Storm had all three hookers on injury watch last week...can't keep them all. He is a first grader and will definitely be nipping on McCullough heels next year.

2018-09-03T02:40:17+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Agree peeeko. The top teams have been very even, in term s of inconsistency at least. The bottom sides have been consistently awful. There's quite a few teams starting to look hard at their rosters right now.

2018-09-03T02:35:21+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


I get what you are saying Albo and agree, if the NRL anticipates from ticket sales that they won't crack 20k at ANZ, then it would make sense. But I think they just need to be consistent. It is a real pity but I understand why they do it. Some may miss out if it was at Penrith as the capacity is 22,500 and I reckon they'd get more if it was held there. The only realistic thing the NRL could have done is made the Panthers vs Warriors and Roosters vs Sharks a double-header at Allianz as after all, the Roosters don't deserve any home ground advantage under the current rules.

2018-09-03T02:28:06+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Gotta agree with you kk regarding the Storm. I had them going back to back for much of this season, but I am right off them now. They have not been able to replace Cronk and the GOAT is still trying his heart out but getting slower by the week, whilst Slater is on his last legs making error after error trying to compensate for their drop in ability on the park. Vunivalu, Jesse Bromwich , Chambers are all down on form, and they have a few injury worries this year. In their past 5 matches they have been beaten by Souths , Cronulla & Penrith and had scrappy to lucky wins only over the Eels & Titans ? I see them possibly going out in straight sets in the finals this year.

2018-09-03T02:13:11+00:00

kk

Roar Pro


Jake Turpin is a priceless name for a budding highwayman hooker. Really impressed yesterday and I have no doubt he will go all the way. T's emotional final aside I thought games 3, 7 and 8 were excellent viewing. Cam Smith was the sole Storm jumper on screen for three of the Panther tries. Not a good sign, even with Munster and Slater back for Friday night against the Sharks who showed in game 7 they will be playing for keeps and know how to do it. Game 7 was thrilling to see super talent(s) unfolding. You can understand why Wayne wants to keep on coaching. Manly showed enough to suggest that the team could be competitive with recruitment of one good gutsy forward and a back with genuine speed and determination. Enter Coach Cartwright.

2018-09-03T02:05:14+00:00

Renegade

Roar Guru


Holmes the only game breaker..? Sharkies in the GF... put your hard earned on it - they just needed to get into the top 4.

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2018-09-03T01:42:06+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Yep - fair enough.

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