Sydney are set to turn Dan Hannebery's departure into a big win

By Josh / Expert

After a season that saw them exit earlier than we’re used to, the Sydney Swans look set to be major players during this year’s off-season.

Dan Hannebery and Gary Rohan are going out, but who’s coming in? We’ll look at that and more in today’s AFL list breakdown.

List breakdown

Another strong campaign was expected from the Swans this year on the back of them entering the league as the eighth-oldest list, and fifth-most experienced.

However unlike a large number of teams in this area of the ladder, the Swans made a strong investment in youth.

They gave 36 per cent of games to players 23-and-under, which is just narrowly below the league benchmark, but the third-most of any team in the top eight.

Better yet they gained 102 AFLCA votes from players in this age bracket which is well above the league average, suggesting they’ve got a very good crop of kids.

Looking at the names supports this – Isaac Heeney and Callum Mills are the standouts, but Will Hayward, Ollie Florent, Ben Ronke, Tom Papley, Tom McCartin and Zak Jones all have some star power already.

George Hewett has a proven ability to play a role and the Swans will look forward to seeing the development of Lewis Melican and Matthew Ling in years to come.

(Photo by Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

Where the Swans were let down this year was by their prime-age players. They played a below-average 40 per cent of Sydney’s overall games, and won only 123 AFLCA votes.

A lot of the Swans’ most crucial core players have recently graduated into veteran status, and now this prime-age group almost looks a little bare.

It’s separated into a younger group of key players – Aliir Aliir, Harry Cunningham, Jake Lloyd and Luke Parker – and an older group in Gary Rohan, Dan Hannebery, Dane Rampe and Callum Sinclair.

There’s some solid names in there but it’s not as strong as you’d generally like a prime-age group to be, and if the Sydney lose some of those players – as it’s expected they will – it could set them back.

The veteran group is where a lot of Sydney’s established star power now lies as Josh P Kennedy, Nick Smith, Kieren Jack, Lance Franklin, Heath Grundy and Jarrad McVeigh all finish the year north of 30.

Sydney’s veterans accounted for about 24 per cent of their total games played in 2018 and also 83 AFLCA votes, well above average in both respects.

In sum it speaks to a list that is going through something of a transitional phase between a strong group of players who are veterans or older-prime, and a quality group of youngsters (with some quality players also at the lower edge of prime).

The impending departures of Dan Hannebery and Gary Rohan look set to widen the gap between these two groups and, if the Swans don’t replace them with players of quality in that age group this year, might see Sydney take a step further back.

If it does happen however that will only be a temporary set back. They’ve got young talent that promises as much as just about any other side in the league.

Their wishlist doesn’t have a whole lot on it. If they wanted to avoid a risk of regression, it would mean bringing in players in the prime-age group to offset the loss of Hannebery and Rohan and establish a better link between their veterans and youth.

However they’d be just as well served focusing on building that youth group up to be the best that it can be, and if so I’d be looking at targetting young talls as it’s probably the one player type that their 23-and-under group doesn’t have a lot of just yet.

Underperformed or overperformed?

Sydney’s on-field side pretty well reflected their overall list.

They fielded the seventh oldest side on average, and their average side had 2353 games of experience, about 120 more than average, making them fourth overall for experience.

They finished sixth on the ladder, but were knocked out of finals in the first week.

Verdict: Underperformed. A side with as much experience as the Swans should’ve hoped to go a bit further in finals – but there were some senior players who underperformed this year, and as a result the team did also.

(Photo by Tony Feder/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Contracts

Sydney’s contract list looks to be in very healthy shape.

The only key player left out of contract this year is Jake Lloyd, who you would presume is their top priority to re-sign.

Lloyd has been linked to a move to the Gold Coast, which we’ll talk more about later – but one would presume he’s more likely to re-sign with the Swans.

Looking ahead to 2019, Sydney’s top priority over the offseason should be to sign up Zak Jones for the future.

The brother of Nathan Jones did take a while to recommit last time he was out of contract and while he’s not Sydney’s most crucial young player, it’d be a shame to lose him.

2023
Callum Mills

2022
Lance Franklin
Isaac Heeney

2021
Aliir Aliir
Daniel Hannebery
Sam Naismith
Luke Parker
Sam Reid

2020
Oliver Florent
George Hewett
Will Hayward
Josh Kennedy
Matthew Ling
Lewis Melican
Tom Papley
Gary Rohan
Ben Ronke
Callum Sinclair
Ryley Stoddart

2019
Joel Amartey
Darcy Cameron
Harry Cunningham
Jordan Dawson
Heath Grundy
Kieren Jack
Zak Jones
Tom McCartin
Jarrad McVeigh
Colin O’Riordan
Dane Rampe
Nick Smith

Out of contract
James Bell
Jake Brown
Jordan Foote
Robbie Fox
Alex Johnson
Jake Lloyd
Jack Maibaum
Harry Marsh
Nic Newman
Toby Pink
Daniel Robinson
James Rose
Angus Styles
Dean Towers

Trade period

At the moment Sydney’s trade period looks like it could border on a player exodus in the worst-case scenario – but I don’t expect to see this happen. Still, even the best-case scenario seems set to see a few players leave the club.

Dan Hannebery and Gary Rohan have made it clear to the Swans that, despite being contracted for a few more years in advance, both would like to be traded home to Victoria this year.

St Kilda have confirmed that Hannebery’s request is to be traded to them, on what is reportedly a four-year deal with a trigger for a fifth, worth $800,000 per year.

It’s by no means an exorbitant offer though some would argue it’s a bit lengthy given how much Hannebery has struggled with injury in recent years, and begs the question as to why he wants to leave the Swans.

Unfortunately this just isn’t the kind of question we ever get a clear answer to outside the four walls of AFL clubs.

Rohan is a little more straightforward – he wants to be closer to his family after going through some tragic personal events earlier in the year.

He looks set to join Geelong and will probably be one of the earliest deals done in the trade period as neither the Swans or Cats are the type to drag a simple transaction out.

One wouldn’t expect the Swans will get much currency for him, but depending on how things go with Dan Hannebery, they may be set to win big.

The big question when it comes to the Hannebery deal is just what the Saints are going to be willing to give up for him now that they’ve landed him.

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

The messages from both clubs have been couched in terms that suggest they are still some ways apart on working out what a fair deal is.

Sydney’s football boss Tom Harley said regarding Hannebery that the Swans would look to achieve the best result for the club and that “he’s contracted and if it can’t be done it won’t happen.”

Meanwhile, St Kilda’s equivalent Simon Lethlean stopped short of committing to getting a Hannebery deal across the line, saying:

“We will be really thorough in our due diligence and make sure the appropriate medical screenings are completed.

“We also have to work through what a possible trade looks like with the Sydney Swans and ensure it is the right deal for St Kilda.”

There have been some rumours around that the Saints are internally divided on whether or not recruiting Hannebery is the best thing for the club, so there may be a lot to play out here.

If they do endeavour to get a deal done then the fact that he is contracted for the next three years at Sydney suggests they’ll need to pay a price.

The deal the Swans have reportedly floated is that Sydney would give pick 12 and Dan Hannebery to the Saints for pick 3.

This article isn’t about the Saints so we won’t go into detail on their side of this, but safe to say I reckon it would be a bad decision for them to trade themselves out of the top six. That said, just because it’s a bad decision, doesn’t mean St Kilda won’t do it.

It’s a pretty simillar sort of deal to the one that landed St Kilda Jake Carlisle from Essendon a few years ago – and given that’s panned out relatively well, they might be willing to go down that road again.

Sydney on the other hand if they’re able to get this deal across the line will be massive winners.

They already stand to gain one of this year’s ‘super seven’ prospects thanks to their academy access to Nick Blakey, which we’ll talk about more later on, and with their current picks would be expecting to match a bid with him using pick 11.

If this deal went through it would instead mean they could get two of the ‘super seven’ by drafting one of them with pick 3 and then matching a bid for Blakey using a clutch of later picks instead.

It would be the sort of trade fillip that could take Sydney’s already impressive youth to the next level and they should look at every possible avenue to make it happen.

If not then the compensation for Hannebery’s departure is probably most likely to be St Kilda’s 2019 second-round pick – by no means a poor selection, but of a lot less value than the alternative.

(AAP Image/David Moir)

Back to the potential ‘exodus’ however – the two other players who have been talked about as potential departures from the Swans this offseason are Jake Lloyd and Luke Parker.

Lloyd is reportedly being targetted by Gold Coast who have a lot more money available to spend and would be hoping to make use of his existing relationship with coach Stuart Dew.

My gut feel here is that even if there’s more money on the table, few players with the choice between playing at Sydney and playing at Gold Coast are likely to pick the latter.

The fact that the Swans openly confirmed Hannebery and Rohan’s impending departures but said nothing about Lloyd suggests that he’s probably trending towards staying rather than going, and I’d say there’s a good chance we’ll hear confirmation of that sometime before the trade period begins.

The other name thrown up only recently and linked to Essendon is Luke Parker.

Tom Harley strongly stated that Parker won’t be traded – and while there are clubs who play games and can’t be trusted at trade time, Sydney isn’t usually one of them.

I suspect that Essendon have probably been tipped off that Dylan Shiel is going to Hawthorn if he’s going anywhere and just fired an offer at Parker in the hopes of getting lucky – but appear not to have done so.

Finally, Sydney’s last potential departee is Nic Newman – he has shown some quality at AFL level but doesn’t appear to be one of John Longmire’s favourites, so might be open to a move elsewhere.

Who is likely to be interested hasn’t really emerged just yet, and anything the Swans get for him is likely to be a token selection later in the draft.

All things considered – I’m not expecting a major ‘exodus’ at the Swans. Hannebery, Rohan and perhaps Newman will go, but I’d expect both Lloyd and Parker will remain at Sydney longterm.

Enough about players going out though, let’s talk about players going in.

The main one Sydney has been linked to is Collingwood father-son tall Darcy Moore.

Moore has struggled to establish continuity at Collingwood, played at both ends of the ground and also struggling with injury.

He’s out of contract and there’s been little to suggest he has any plans to re-sign with the Pies, and it has been said as early as June that a move to the Swans was pretty much a ‘done deal’.

Moore would be an excellent recruit for the Swans, bolstering their side with another quality young tall.

He could develop into their most important defender, learning from and replacing someone like Heath Grundy, or eventually become part of their post-Franklin forward line.

(Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

The big question is what he’ll cost them – given that he’s out of contract, the Swans do hold some of the cards here.

While Moore was a high draft pick, draftees are a bit like cars – as soon as you drive them off the lot they lose half their value.

Moore has shown flashes of brilliance at AFL level certainly, but his lack of continuity means he probably hasn’t built a lot of value.

Collingwood will likely want a first-round draft pick and that may wind up being what the Swans pay, but if they’re able to get their hands on an early second-round selection that might be enough.

The Swans have also been liked to Port Adelaide’s Tom Jonas, though not as strongly. One to keep an eye on.

Free agency

Sydney don’t have any free agents on their list this year and haven’t been linked to brining any in, but the Swans are pretty good at getting deals done under the radar.

What’s clear is that they’re going to have a busy offseason at the trade table, and they’re likely to clear out a bit of salary cap space by moving on Hannebery and Rohan, plus the Kurt Tippett contract is coming off their books.

That hypothetically gives them a bit of salary cap room to play with (assuming they weren’t facing a crunch of some kind, which could be the case).

If so, then they could go hard at a free agent.

Andrew Gaff would be the one to look at this year – though it seems like if he leaves West Coast, it will be to return home to Victoria, probably to North Melbourne.

Instead Sydney might decide to bank any spare salary cap they have next year and target a big free agent at the end of 2019.

One option could be to try to poach a big name from crosstown rivals GWS, who have a number of key free agents next year.

Dylan Shiel, Stephen Coniglio and Nick Haynes are the three to potentially look at here.

However one they could also make a target of is Chad Wingard, who’ll be a free agent at the end of next year and has been talked about a bit lately.

I reckon it’d be a major mistake by Port Adelaide to let him go, but perhaps the Swans would have as good of a chance as anyone of extricating him next year.

That would certainly be an ironic development given he was drafted to the Power originally on the basis of telling the GWS Giants he didn’t want to come to Sydney.

(AAP Image/David Mariuz)

Draft

Sydney’s draft hand is set to be shaped significantly by the trade deals that ultimately get done for Dan Hannebery and Darcy Moore, so it’s a little hard to predict what they might do.

What is certain though is that they’ll get one of the year’s most highly-rated draft prospects, Nick Blakey, through their Academy.

Blakey, of course, is the son of John Blakey, who played 359 games for Fitzroy and North Melbourne, and Nick was eligible to join both Brisbane and the Kangaroos as a father-son pick.

However given that John has been a longterm assistant coach at the Swans, Nick has been in Sydney’s academy long enough to qualify as a selection there.

It’s a bit of a rort no matter which way you look at it, but that’s a discussion for another time and place. The short version is that, like they did with Isaac Heeney and Callum Mills, the Swans are set to win big.

195cm Nick Blakey has predominantly played as a key forward at under-18 level, but has also been talked about at times as a potential tall midfielder.

He’s seen as one of this year’s top seven draft prospects, who are generally recognised as being a level above the rest of the draft.

As for what other players the Swans bring in, it will depend on where their picks fall after trades. If they’re able to get St Kilda’s first pick, it’ll be a major coup.

Assuming they’ve got Moore in and also know they’ll be getting Blakey, they’d probably go for smaller player at that selection – Izak Rankine would be a great acquisition.

Nick Blakey. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

What I said last year

“Every list has its problems though, and the Swans have fewer than most. A team that’s been up as long as them shouldn’t have the young promise they do, but there it is.

“They’ve been in a period of sustained success for really more than a decade now, and it doesn’t look likely to end any time soon.”

Outlook

At the moment there’s a relatively minor gap in Sydney’s list between their veteran talent that made up the core of their 2012 premiership talent, and some very talented younger players coming through.

It wouldn’t usually be big enough to be a problem, but this gap is set to be widened by the impending departures of Dan Hannebery and to a lesser degree Gary Rohan.

Unless the Swans throw us a curveball by unexpectedly landing a big fish to fill this gap – which is an entirely plausible scenario given what canny operators they tend to be – I’d suggest they’re probably going to take a step backwards on the ladder in 2019.

However that generation of young players coming through is just about as good as any in the league, and is set to get even better this year with the likely additions of Darcy Moore and Nick Blakey.

On top of them there’s every chance that the Swans will manage to turn the departure of Dan Hannebery into enough draft currency to earn another top quality youngster, or enough salary cap space to go after a big free agent – or both.

Sydney may well miss finals in 2019, in fact my very early tip would be that they do. But they won’t be down for long.

At a bare minimum the additions of Blakey and Moore would have their youth set to propel them up the ladder again sooner rather than later – and if they can hypothetically also add an Izak Rankine or a Chad Wingard to that, then they’ll be an absolute juggernaut before too long.

The Crowd Says:

2018-09-19T04:51:26+00:00

Mr X

Guest


Is it just me or the Sydney swans should target tex walker? He's been a bit out of form/ injured. Which the modern new stupid nature of the afl industry means he's tradeable. He's from Broken Hill and could be a good pick up. Look at this stuff about wingard. If Wingard a port boy through and through can be traded then anyone can

2018-09-15T13:38:06+00:00

Foursa

Roar Rookie


Good Assessment Josh.... We felt some pain with Our #1 ruck, CHF and CHB playing 6 games combined this season and Buddy basically on 1 leg. Take Nankervis, Riewoldt and one of their key backs out and the Tigers would also struggle.. Think if we get Moore, provided like Reid he gets his body right then suggest we go after Shiels hard as GWS need salary cap relief and we need a good inside/outside mid although I admit he butchers the ball a bit. Some discussion we are going after Jonas who would be good as that frees up Zak Jones to move more into the midfield - he’s a much better midfielder than a running halfback. One last one, I’d target Pruest from Kangaroos we need more support if Naismith goes down as Sinclair is a forward/ruck not a ruck/forward. Let’s not go after Gaff as speculated he’s over rated and over priced. Any how my wish list and I think with the kids and Parker and Kennedy having full preaseasons we should be ok provided Longmire gets the team moving the ball quicker as we were ordinary to watch this year...

2018-09-14T01:51:10+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


Stef Martin is not going anywhere! Now that Beames has come out the media now moves onto Stef even though there is no interest from Stef in leaving. He was close to leaving two years ago. He's not going anywhere now. As for McCarthy Age bracket is right, but I'm not convinced. If it gets us Lachie Neale then I can probably live with it, but if we don't pull of Lachie Neale for me it's just another list clogger. We could of kept Tom Bell on our list for that.

2018-09-14T01:10:00+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


http://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/2018-07-19/cats-first-round-requirements JamesH - this article from July makes it pretty clear the cats can't trade this years first rounder and can only trade next years if they get a second first rounder this year. Given they also don't have a second round pick this year the only way they can get any of the numerous players they have been linked to is by trading out players

2018-09-14T00:28:23+00:00

MG

Roar Rookie


I think the injuries to Naismith, Reid and Mills played a big part in 2018. Add them back in and our forward line has structure. If Mills and Heeney play predominantly midfield then the loss of Hannebery is less crucial. Hannebery was very ordinary early then took a few weeks off and looked ordinary for the first few rounds back but then looked to be getting back to his pre-2016 Grand Final best. I suspect he's a good addition for the Saints. I fully understand the club putting a priority on keeping Lloyd and that means freeing up some cap space by losing Hanners. Adding Moore makes sense to me as a tall in defence. If what we get for Hanners pays for Moore then our structure is improved. I suspect our first rounder then gets traded down to accumulate points for Blakey.

2018-09-13T23:59:54+00:00

Professor X

Guest


Is Darcy Moore gone? What's the chance of him going? 5050 chance maybe. Collingwood surely have to try and keep him It's weird why all these players leaving Sydney? Nothing deeper to this story?

2018-09-13T18:43:05+00:00

christy olsen

Roar Rookie


The Saints would be fools to let go of pick 3 this year. The quality at the top of the draft is just too good. Granted, potential doesn't always pan out, but bringing in talent through the draft is a crucial part of rebuilding at the cash-strapped, less-glamorous clubs like StK. And Hannebury will never get back to his glory days. He'll be fine, but not the superstar he once was. So he's not worth losing the chance to draft a future Brownlow or Coleman winner.

2018-09-13T10:06:04+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Honestly James this system seems one of the least thought through the AFL has come up with. This was from the AFL website when it was announced; Clubs must make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks. The cats have taken zero first round picks in the last 3 and yet somehow can still trade away their next 2 first round picks (meaning zero in 5 years) before facing any restrictions? I simply don't get it.

2018-09-13T06:53:35+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Those priority picks will have a big impact, they could shift Sydney's first rounder back another two spots giving them even less points or they could just impact the blues 2 second rounders which may mean the priority pick gets bundled with one of the second rounders instead.

2018-09-13T06:50:49+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


The issue is McCarthy (who will turn 25 next month) has played 29 games in 5 years and only got past 5 games in 1 of those years while Martin was 3rd in the 2018 B&F. I would think you would want a second rounder plus McCarthy, the trouble being that Geelong don't have a 2018 second rounder. I do agree though that Geelong are a great club to trade with. The Touhy and Henderson Trades worked out well for both clubs and were done with relative ease.

2018-09-13T06:47:32+00:00

JamesH

Roar Guru


I am part of that 'we', Seano!

2018-09-13T06:46:38+00:00

JamesH

Roar Guru


I'm torn on whether or not they should trade it, Macca. I mean, it would be great to bring in Shiel or Parker but I think we're still in for another year or two of development before we can be a genuine contender. Next year might be the one to go hard at FA or big trades. Josh's recent Geelong article discussed their draft situation. From memory, next year they will be banned from trading their 2019 and 2020 first round picks unless they use two first round picks this year (they only have one at present but could possibly nab another via trading Kelly). HOWEVER they can still trade their 2018 and 2019 first round picks in THIS trade period and instead be banned from trading their 2020 and 2021 first round picks. Just a quirk of the system.

2018-09-13T05:03:40+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


McCarthy is 24 years old, Martin will be 32 - and like I said, they've been very helpful in the past with trades for Christensen, Walker, Trent West, and I'm sure there's others A deal will get done if both sides want it to happen. Maybe a second or third rounder next year or something. we always like picks in the 30-50 range because we can use them in a bundle to match academy bids. If it was Essendon I'd want us haggling like a gnarlish old shopkeeper, but Geelong are very good at the trade table so hopefully it gets done

2018-09-13T05:03:25+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


I still see this as a deal that should get done Macca and it benefits both clubs. Currently Sydney’s first round pick is 11 but will fall to 12 with the Lynch compensation pick. If somone nominates Blakey before pick 8 (I think Brisbane might) then pick 12 does not have enough points and they would have to use points from their second round pick which then falls back. With Carlton’s 2 second round picks they have more points to work with. Carlton then get another first round pick to trade for a McGovern/Setterfield. This could all change though if priority picks are handed out to Carlton and GC and where those picks are situated.

2018-09-13T04:42:09+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Col form Brissie has suggested the blues might trade 24 & 25 to the Swans for their first round pick given they will only need the points - perhaps Rohan could be thrown in with that deal for some extra trinkets.

2018-09-13T04:40:04+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


I would have thought you would want a hell of a lot more than McCarthy for Martin and Geelong don't have a lot of draft picks to trade.

2018-09-13T04:19:47+00:00

keith hurst

Roar Pro


What a comprehensively good analysis of the Swans. I will tell all of my friends who are bloods followers to read it Keith hurst

2018-09-13T04:10:37+00:00

Jim

Roar Rookie


Rohan will be a 3rd rounder at best I think potentially even less. The guy has ability, but is nowhere near what a #6 draft pick at the time when his career should be peaking should be at. He has had a wretched run with injuries - a new start might do him good though.

2018-09-13T04:05:58+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Hanneberry is 28 in Feb. St Kilda would be insane to give up there first pick and throw big dollars at him. Much more sense to target Rankine.

2018-09-13T03:59:32+00:00

Seano

Roar Rookie


You call it the silly season, we call it the Dodoro season!

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