The quick questions: The Bledisloe Cup is upon us

By The Roar / Editor

It’s taken until the second week of the tenth month, but in a year where a global pandemic is showing that it’s still a long, long way from running its course, this weekend, we will finally get a taste of international rugby in the southern hemisphere.

How much we get in 2020 remains to be seen.

» See the official Wallabies and All Blacks teams for Bledisloe 1

Which means we might need to hook into these upcoming Bledisloe Cup Test matches, just in case they’re all we get this year.

Question 1

Ahead of this weekend’s first Bledisloe Cup Test, it’s a very simple question: who has the most to lose from this series? A reasonably settled All Blacks squad with a new coach in charge, or a very different and very young Wallabies squad with a new coach in charge?

Digger
Easily the All Blacks.

It is typical that the side will be critiqued regardless of the result, but a lost series at home with the Bledisloe on the line will turn up the heat on an already floundering New Zealand Rugby Union and a dissatisfied public will be quite ready to take a few more chunks out of the carcass. Not to mention Ian Foster was not the most popular choice, adding further fuel to the fire.

One positive will be at least the talk might be about the on-field stuff again. Probably.

Dan
Common sense says the underdogs always have less to lose than the favourites, and there’s no reason to deviate from that for Bledisloe 1. For all the promise in the Wallabies camp, they’re still heavy outsiders for Sunday afternoon’s match. Plus, if we’re to take the question quite literally, there’s a certain cup in the All Blacks’ trophy cabinet they can – theoretically – lose which the Aussies can’t.

I’d rather focus on what there is to gain here. Yes, the Bledisloe Cup is up for grabs, but for Australia there’s the opportunity to kickstart a new era with a fresh playing group under Dave Rennie. And then there’s the chance for us to see how Ian Foster’s All Blacks will differ from Steve Hansen’s. There’s plenty to get excited about for both sides.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie. (Photo by Henry Browne/Getty Images)

Brett
It’s comfortably the All Blacks, because the Wallabies and specifically Rennie will get the freest of free hits a team and their new coach will ever get in the biggest annual head-to-head series any country plays.

And it’s all about the timing. Had Steve Hansen stayed in the job, then Rennie would have been in the crosshairs. Yet, the opposite isn’t true; Michael Cheika would still have been under the pump twelve months after the Rugby World Cup had he remained at the helm of the Wallabies and was coming up against Ian Foster on debut, even with the same squads for the Bledisloe.

But because the Wallabies have a new coach and so many uncapped players, and because Foster has inherited a similar All Blacks squad to what lost the semi-final, he’s got to prove from the outset he was worthy of the Hansen succession plan.

Add to the mix the carry-on of New Zealand Rugby officialdom, and the headlines will practically write themselves if Australia win the first Test on Sunday.

Geoff
NZ Rugby is battling through extremely choppy waters at the moment. An All Blacks loss to the Wallabies would add insult to injury, and is the last thing an embattled organisation – one which very publicly reminded Australia that its franchise depth wasn’t up to standard – needs right now.

Ian Foster is also under more pressure than a new coach should be, if only because there are fans and media who have already passed judgment. Alan Jones aside, Dave Rennie will be provided far more latitude – perfectly reasonable given that his is a brand-new coaching team working with a new squad.

Harry
It’s all downside for New Zealand in the Bledisloes of 2020. Dave Rennie cannot possibly have more alibis. Pandemic, plague, pestilence, and a brand new regime. If Australia even make a game of it, he’ll be lauded as the latest Kiwi coaching messiah.

Nobes
I don’t think I am the appropriate person to answer and I will simply say that both teams have new coaches and the first game will be experimental for both.

Question 2

South Africa have now played an intra-squad game along with some Super Rugby Unlocked friendlies, while their European counterparts also have a few games under their belt. Additionally, part of the Argentinean squad is in quarantine in Australia having arrived via Uruguay. But European clubs have this week had to postpone games because of positive COVID tests, and Los Pumas have had upward of 15 cases themselves.

How confident are you of the Rugby Championship beginning as scheduled in Brisbane on November 7?

Digger
I am still reasonably confident because, as we all know, the driving force is the almighty dollar and peeps still need to get paid so they will make something work.

I am not convinced that the quality of rugby will be of a great standard, however the schedule will be played as advertised. Probably.

Nobes
It is difficult to predict since in the case of Los Pumas there are many players coming from Europe where there’s a resurgence of the virus and several games have had to be suspended.

In the case of the players who left Uruguay, where Los Pumas were trained, they all came out healthy from there. If the Pumas have to use only these players it would lead to many debuts.

It always seemed to me that the idea of the Rugby Championship to be played in Australia was going to be a short version of three games except for Australia and New Zealand who would play one more to complete the Bledisloe Cup.

Let’s hope it is played for the good of all and for several Pumas players who have not been able to play this year and need some gametime.

(MARCO LONGARI/AFP/Getty Images)

Dan
I’m less confident about an as-scheduled start to the Rugby Championship than I was before South Africa’s weekend warm-up – it made the disparity between the match-fit All Blacks and Wallabies and the not-so-match-fit Boks and Pumas clear.

It seems Argentina won’t be able to get their European-based players in training with the cohort who are already in Sydney until both sides finish their separate quarantines, which looms as a recipe for some badly disjointed performances early on – although you certainly can’t prioritise rugby training over public health safety, particularly given the state of the virus in Europe right now.

Ultimately, I’ll still bet on the allure of the mighty dollar – or I suppose the rand in this case – winning out, even if it makes for some fairly scrappy rugby early on.

Brett
Confidentish, but only up to a point. And that point may be rapidly approaching.

Argentina have had their scare at home, and are said to be in good health in their Australian bubble. South Africa are in a similarly fit state, while local bubbles have also kept the Wallabies and All Blacks virus-free to date.

But.

With games under threat in the UK, and the second wave alive and well on the Continent, the minute a European-based Springbok (do the headcount at Sale alone) or Puma comes down with the virus before departure, all bets are off. It’s that simple.

(Photo by Anthony Au-Yeung/Getty Images)

Geoff
Hopeful more than confident at this stage.

Australia and New Zealand will be there, along with Argentina’s underdone two halves, so it all comes down to South Africa.

There’s more than a sense that Rassie would be happy to let things slide – will the most powerful force in South African rugby win out over the bean counters?

Harry
I am only five per cent banking on a Rugby Championship this year; also the odds, by the way, of an odious second term for Generalissimo Trump.

The Crowd Says:

2020-10-09T15:41:42+00:00

Ex force fan

Guest


Ozinsa, there is that tiny bit of history with the Force that is not there for your Tahs when we were kicked out of Australian rugby. The truth is that we are not back and still don’t know if we will even play in 2021 or beyond. Not a single game will be played in WA this year as all of the rugby action from Superugby to tests are all played in the South Eastern corner of the Australian continent. Rugby doesn’t even make the papers here, our season is over for all practical purposes. It is an Eastern States. If the Eagles played I would rather watch that game.

2020-10-09T11:38:17+00:00

Double Agent

Guest


Pfft. Please don't let facts get in the way of a joke!

2020-10-09T06:47:20+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


In UK it’s early

2020-10-09T00:25:53+00:00

Double Agent

Guest


Kick off is a 2pm so I suggest that you don't start screaming and tearing around your lounge room in the morning or you may risk a visit by mental health authorities.

2020-10-08T22:02:46+00:00

Etepeus

Roar Rookie


Agree Robert that coaching these days is very much a team effort even though the HC seems to get the credit. Also continuity of coaching with Hansen taking over from Sir Ted worked well. I think the biggest loss for NZ is Wayne Smith.

2020-10-08T21:43:46+00:00

pm

Roar Rookie


Yeah I agree re Hodge for sure. It's an attacking, positive minded selection

2020-10-08T21:42:51+00:00

Noodles

Roar Rookie


Nothing to lose in having a bit of bledisloe! And surely the boks will as Machooka notes turn up for the hard currency. I’m just hoping the young wallabies have a good introduction to this standard. O’Connor and toomua are vital, along with the tight five, who look good to me. At last!

2020-10-08T21:31:17+00:00

Robert

Guest


Well just remember that fozzy didn't have the luxury of picking players from outside the region like rennie had, or wayne smith as an assistant, plumtree is a very good coach and brad moore was getting huge wraps in wales, I think the combined coaching group of the abs trumps the combined wallabies coaching group but let's wait and see

2020-10-08T20:45:17+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


Daugunus D is good but will be interesting to see how many kicks his wing gets. I wouldn't be surprised to see JOC (or white) drop back to field kicks too which he did at the reds. End of the day daugunu asks more questions of the ABs then a hodge imo so like the risk. Little less sleep for the AB winger marking him.

2020-10-08T20:21:08+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Got that... totally got that. Mine was a vote for you! :happy:

2020-10-08T20:13:17+00:00

Pinetree

Roar Rookie


Some good answers from the panel and roarers here, and 2 good relevant questions from Brett to acquire those opinions. . Q1: I think that the team who has the most to lose will be relative to the expectations of the fans for the AB’s and Wallabies. A loss to the AB’s is obviously not going to sit well with the fans, and Foster’s name will be mud, being that there are many AB fans who already have a suspicious eye to Foster’s ability of head coach before game 1. . But there is other possibilities other than wining or losing the game, and the style and intent of play will be important to both sides, as will be the margin of a win or loss. If the Wallabies go down with a scoreline that is a thrashing, then perhaps they would have the most to lose, as it will feel like groundhog day for Wallabies’ fans, with a different coach/same results. I am not convinced that Rennie is immune to the “most to lose” category! . Q2: As for the schedule to go as planned for Nov 7 in Brisbane? Well, I think the answer my friend, is blowin’ in the wind, the answer is blowin’ in the wind. I don’t understand the concept of degrees of confidence in this Covid era!

2020-10-08T11:33:59+00:00

pm

Roar Rookie


I also like thay't he's got JOC at 10 and Toomua at 12, rather than vice versa

2020-10-08T11:30:42+00:00

pm

Roar Rookie


I like that team a lot. Makes a lot of sense. I just worry à bit about Daugunu's decision making down back. I think the ABs are going to send a lot of action his way. Glad to see Petaia not picked yet. Keep him in cotton wool and give Paisami a run.

2020-10-08T11:24:13+00:00

pm

Roar Rookie


I agreed till your last paragraph, bluesfan. Don't think you should begin to make any judgements about Foster until they've played Argentina and South Africa too

2020-10-08T11:13:19+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Sometimes, that tin hat simply wears you down EFF. I rely on you for informed commentary from the west and then you serve up this sort of drivel. If Hooper were injured and no Tahs selected, it wouldn't change the way I pulled on my jersey and screamed for my Wallabies in my loungeroom on Sunday morning.

2020-10-08T11:11:58+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Fair point. I am ashamed.

2020-10-08T11:07:16+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Some might, but he has a lot of goodwill with the vast majority. If we get pumped, it'll be horrible but there won't be any bar the very stupid calling for Rennie's head

2020-10-08T11:04:27+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Seems a reasonable prediction. I'd love you to be wrong but the young blokes will be tested like they've never been before so will sort some out I'd guess. I must say, I expect our squad to have some depth (bar locks) so wouldn't expect us to fall away too badly at the end when we bring on the benchies

2020-10-08T11:02:01+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


The Sale story has plenty more to come I'm guessing. Somewhere along the line, one or more of the Sale boys broke out and managed to bring the thing back to the wider group. They did win their first trophy in 15 years a couple of weeks back. I presume that was celebrated. It is a big demand for a squad to stay locked down for extended periods - only needs a couple to screw up and it gets big, fast

2020-10-08T10:38:08+00:00

Machpants

Roar Guru


It was spelt that way on purpose, NZR are being right d heads!

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