Coach’s Corner Issue 16: Who will front up for the Wallabies?

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Thanks for all who offered a question this week. It has become clear that attention is turning rapidly towards Wallabies selection for the series against France.

I am interested in taking our strengths, accepting our current weaknesses and building an Australian team that can at first hold its own and then become superior. Any ideas on where to start?

– stillmissit

Nick, who would be your starting hooker for the Wallabies against France? This has been a troubling position for Australia with no clear standout. What are the strengths and weaknesses of the main candidates?

– Numpty

I would start Allan Alaalatoa at loosehead as this is his best position and brings so much around the park.

– Olly

Apart from maybe Taniela Tupou there is not a single member of the extended Wallabies squad which would be considered for an All Blacks squad.

– Ducky

I think Tupou would be sent away to work on his fitness.

– Moaman

Tupou’s fitness is pretty good despite lugging 135kg. He’s a regular 80-minute player and maintains a high standard in his core role as tighthead prop throughout. His defence looks suspect but it’s very hard to wrap short arms around a barrel with a half metre radius and he’s not the kind of player runners look to attack directly.

– Charlie Turner

Wouldn’t it be incredible if we had a stable, solid front row who played together? But alas…

– CW Moss

I will try to examine the Wallaby choices in all departments of the team over the weeks leading up to the series against France, starting this week with the front row.

James Slipper has been injured for the Trans-Tasman competition, but I suspect he will still be the number one choice at loosehead for Dave Rennie when he regains fitness. However, he is unlikely to make it to the 2023 World Cup as first choice at the age of 34.

Who will replace him? Scott Sio is 29 and has shown signs of wear and tear (seven scrums penalties conceded in Trans-Tasman), Feao Foutuaika (one conceded) has had a breakthrough season at the age of 28, while Angus Bell is the best of the young props.
Cabous Eloff (five scrum penalties against) has shown that he can play on both sides of the front row, but is not yet Australian-qualified.

This is what the stats from the Trans-Tasman say:

Age Minutes played Mins between carries Gain-line/decisive outcomes Mins between tackles Tackle completion
Scott Sio 29 249 13.1 +7 [1] 11.9 91%
Angus Bell 21 227 4.8 +7 [3] 8.1 100%
Feao Fotuaika 28 142 20.3 +1 [0] 6.4 75%
Allan Alaalatoa 27 280 17.5 +4 [0] 7.8 90%
Taniela Tupou 25 270 8 +5 [2] 24.5 55%
Cabous Eloff 22 229 9.5 +3 [3] 10.9 81%

The outstanding stats outside the scrum belong to Angus Bell, who has only leaked three set-piece penalties in the four rounds to date. He and Allan Alaalatoa (five scrum pens conceded) are by a distance the best defenders in the group, both in terms of workrate and tackle completion percentage.

Bell makes the kind of tackles that are well beyond the capabilities of the Queensland front row:

Bell is taking down two elusive Crusaders backs in an open field – first Will Jordan with a truly outstanding effort off his weak shoulder one-on-one, then Richie Mo’unga – with the Waratahs’ loosehead prop still full of running in the 73rd minute of the match.

His speed over the ground provides added value, because he can play off-tackle as an on-ball threat:

In possession, Angus Bell is one of the four top ball-carrying props in Australia, along with Taniela Tupou, Pone Fa’amuasili and Cabous Eloff:

Now to the nub of the selection issue. If you want to pick Taniela Tupou as your starting tighthead (zero penalties conceded at scrum time) for his set-piece and ball-carrying, it means picking a loosehead who can make his tackles, and keep making them throughout the game.

Outside Slipper, there are only two possibilities – starting a youngster (Bell) or moving Allan Alaalatoa across to the other side, the position where he first started his Super Rugby career.

Allan Alaalatoa. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

The hookers table looks like this:

Age Minutes played Mins between carries Gain-line/decisive outcomes Mins between tackles Tackle completion
Brandon Paenga-Amosa 25 265 8.8 +4 [5] 11.5 77%
Jordan Uelese 24 244 9.4 +5 [0] 12.8 83%
Dave Porecki 28 231 11.5 +4 [4] 7 89%
Feleti Kaitu’u 26 217 13.5 +3 [1] 9 92%

The two best scrummaging hookers in Australia, Brandon Paenga-Amosa and Jordan Uelese, also boast the poorest tackling stats, at least in comparison to New South Wales’ Dave Porecki and Feleti Kaitu’u of the Force.

Paenga-Amosa has been unable to make the same powerful impact against Kiwi front rows that he achieved against the Brumbies in Super Rugby AU:

In these examples, the Brumbies’ hookers have been split away from the tighthead completely, and Paenga-Amosa is leading the charge through the gap. He did have things his own way against the Blues front row at the first scrum of the game:

The Queensland scrum has adopted the same ‘anti-Brumbies’ shape as before, but Blues hooker Kurt Eklund and tighthead Ofa Tu’ungafasi have closed the gap. No free pass on this occasion.

The Reds scrum (and Tupou in particular) did not get on top until Karl Tu’inukuafe was replaced by Alex Hodgman:

Does Dave Rennie opt for maximum scrum power or the higher defensive workrate and tackling efficiency of Porecki or Kaitu’u?

I have excluded lineout throwing accuracy from the equation because it is so difficult to disentangle from lineout system failures as a whole:

In both of these examples from the second half of the Reds-Blues game, the throws are straight and on the money. The problem lies with a lack of disguise in the call – the Blues clearly read where the throw is going, and in the second instance there is only one potential target – Lukhan Salakaia-Loto at the tail.

Brandon Paenga-Amosa. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Our two youngest teams, the Brumbies and the Reds, are also our two most successful. This would indicate something in Australian rugby’s pathway system has been amended and is now providing a positive platform for young players to develop. Would you put this down to the NRC, under-18 and under-20 pathways, a combination of both, or simply a better generation of players and recruitment?

– 1997 Brumbies

It is an interesting exercise to look at this question in conjunction with the front-row selection options above.

If you examine the stats for World Cup-winning teams, a typical pattern begins to emerge. The dominant team of the last decade, the All Blacks, were on average 28 years old when they won the Webb Ellis trophy in 2011. Four years later, their average age stood at 29 years 151 days, with an average Test cycle of 6.5 years per player and over 1000 total caps in the starting line-up.

That compared to a low point in 2003, with the youngest New Zealand team in history – and as Graham Henry acknowledged later, no functional leadership group at all.

The average age of the last Wallaby World Cup winners in 1999 was 27 years and 321 days, while the 2015 finalists were boosted by the return of Scott Fardy and Matt Giteau to 28 years and 288 days – incidentally, exactly the same as England’s victorious 2003 side.

Head coaches typically aim for an average age of 28, with a minimum of 600 caps and 61 per cent win rate from the four-year World Cup cycle. Herein lies the issue for Australian rugby. Too many players leave on overseas contracts at the peak of their powers. Samu Kerevi will be 29 and Izack Rodda 26 in 2023, and both might have been central players for the Wallabies at the next World Cup.

The organic development at both national and provincial level has been disrupted by their absence.

In the front row, Brandon Paenga-Amosa established himself as Dave Rennie’s number one choice at hooker in 2020 at the age of 25, only to leave for a stint in French club rugby one season later. New South Wales rake Dave Porecki is a possible replacement, but has spent the last five seasons playing in the English Premiership. He is only coming back into Australian rugby as a potential Test player at the ripe old age of 28.

If Dave Porecki is a Test prospect now, how much of his playing value was lost to Australia earlier in his career?

The Crowd Says:

2021-06-16T19:37:54+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


Thanks Nick. Nice coverage of Bell

2021-06-13T10:33:47+00:00

rugbybloke

Roar Rookie


Dave Porecki has been solid throughout, well skilled in his running game and offloads, with pleanty of experiences and showed grit. A player as said 28 is valuable to the wallabies the him starting or coming on for another. I have no doubt that he's will be competing for the spot when he is back from injury.

AUTHOR

2021-06-13T10:10:19+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Nice group there - a few of them (including the coach) can make it all the way through to the WBs.

AUTHOR

2021-06-13T10:09:17+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yep it's a lot, lot harder Fin!

2021-06-13T08:37:02+00:00

Waxhead

Roar Rookie


@Nick Yes totally agree but he did have the best stats and the most potential. Rennie has picked him in the squad. Train him up for scrumaging, bulk him up ...... and he's the best hooker Aust has imo :thumbup:

AUTHOR

2021-06-13T05:24:33+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


So as I as expected Lonergan has the best stats of all hookers. He’s also by far the best at turnover completion, breakdown and link play Scrummaging is his only issue. This called 'extrapolating what isn't there' Waxy! :laughing: While Lonergan is unquestionably a promising young player, there is a huge gap between Test matches and a handful of starts in SR.

2021-06-13T00:24:15+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


He seems to be very much against picking players from O/S nick, or at least that's the line he is towing from the higher ups. If I were him I'd come up with some creative accounting to get them eligible. I think as long as you are signed to an Aus SR side you are eligible with no time limit (as far as i know). So, he could get the likes of Arnold and co to sign contracts for the 2023 season and beyond to get them in.

2021-06-12T22:52:20+00:00

Waxhead

Roar Rookie


ok thanks Nick So as I as expected Lonergan has the best stats of all hookers. He's also by far the best at turnover completion, breakdown and link play Scrummaging is his only issue. Rennie has already indicated interest in Lonergan. The could pick him and work on his scrummaging alone. If you pick any of the others you've got to improve 2 or 3 things. I don't care if BPA is going OS. None of the other hookers are Test standard imo.

2021-06-12T22:34:53+00:00

Chufortah

Guest


Lonergon is my long term choice for hooker, and I have no qualms putting him into a test match. Reminds me of Keith Wood - pace, hands, does everything he needs to do, although probably needs 1-2 more seasons to build? Surprised he didn’t get a mention.

2021-06-12T18:03:23+00:00

Who

Roar Rookie


It's the perfect example of how Rugby in Australia is, as I've long declared, the last bastion of feudalism. Each level 'supports' the level above, but looks to undermine them at the first possible opportunity. The fact that RA, , etc told the clubs they'd like the clubs to run the team didn't prevent the NSWRU from taking the same approach as the QRU (under Carmichael, Shaw, etc). It just shows that, even though the QRU was stepping out of the Link era to the 'global search of the Ballymore carpark' era, and even though the NSWRU would win a Super title that year, the QRU comprehensively outpointed the NSWRU. I have absolutely no interest in a national club comp. But it fits the mold of 'shrinking to greatness' which so often fills the heads of those with power. NRC was the perfect size - spreading experienced Super players just thin enough, but not so many teams that the standard was still at club level. A national club comp as you've describe will simply narrow pathways further, where the NRC broadened them. Some of those squads... They can only really be properly understood by looking at the 2007 ARC commercial. "You don't know me yet." With faces like Beale, the Fainga'a's, and a heap of others who'd go on to win a heap of caps. That one year of ARC set up our best players from 2010 - 2015. Similarly, the NRC has set up the strongest franchises, given extra exposure to guys who were in the age group programs (which is why they developed faster than their Tahs team mates), and I'm confident that's visible across Rennie's Wallabies.

2021-06-12T13:26:08+00:00

Fin

Guest


Hi Nick, There is a significant difference in the effort required to play THP compared to the other front row positions isn’t there?

2021-06-12T12:13:56+00:00

Fin

Guest


Hi Nick, I was looking over the QLD country NRC squad from 2015. There are a number of names of players and coaches that have gone on to play Super and test rugby. Tupou, Alex Mafi, Lukhan Tui, Richie Arnold, James Tuttle, Izaia Perese, Tom Banks, Campbell Magnay. Coach was Jason Gilmore. That’s the pathway from just one team in one year, Nick.

2021-06-12T06:38:16+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


so...did you oblige or stay still?

2021-06-12T05:50:26+00:00

Mick Gold Coast QLD

Roar Guru


You will be unsurprised, The Late News, that me mates at the Del Plaza Friday drinks don’t let me get too far ahead of meself. Some years ago Big Ross brought them undone when he noticed that I was about to launch into my opinion and he said “Hang on Mick, just move across a little under the TV screen so I can keep an eye on the netball score while you are speaking”. :stoked:

AUTHOR

2021-06-12T05:45:24+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Hi Waxy *"T/O" is the measure of discipline (pens or turnovers for/against). *As explained in the article examples, lineout accuracy tends to be a teams stat not a hooker stat. Uelese = 84.4% BPA = 87.5% Porecki = 83.3% Kaitu'u = 85.7%. Pretty much in line with team success, so not especially useful! *Frankly I did not consider Lonergan (not in the wider squad and not a strong enough scrummager) but some posters reckon he's pretty close to a WB job! So.... Mins: 138, Interval between carries = 7.7, GL's = +5, DO's = +1; Interval between tackles = 6.6, Tackle % = 78%, T/O = -5, Throw success = 88%.

AUTHOR

2021-06-12T05:27:35+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Thanks Who, for filling in a rather large gap in my knowledge of the game in OZ!

2021-06-11T23:10:16+00:00

Waxhead

Roar Rookie


Hi Nick Good analysis but ...............your stats do not assess crtical areas for front rowers - Lineout throwing accuracy for hookers. - penalties and yellow cards conceded. - no stat's on Lonergan. But due to your analysis previously I've picked up that Tupou is a very poor defender. Both in tackles completed and completion rate. Add on the many silly penalties he concedes. He's only good in scrums and the occasional carry. AAA is a much better Test prop and so is Bell imo. Uelese line out throwing is not good and he gives away far too many penalties. Brenden PA is Aust's best hooker with Lonergan. Who did your stat's not include Lonergan who will likely have the best stats on carries and tackling?

2021-06-11T21:30:46+00:00

Bobby

Roar Rookie


Well Nick, Taniela's stats are terrible AGAIN, 4 tackles with 4 missed and he turned the ball over to other team, 3 times ! Someone needs to give him a rocket !

2021-06-11T20:37:43+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Great post Who. Just one little caveat there. RA, NSWRU and Waratahs Inc all chaired by members of the Friends of Sydney Uni in Hawker, Farr-Jones and Davis went to the SRU presidents and told them they wanted the clubs to run it. I only wish we'd had someone else in charge and that an initial implementation like occurred in Qld could have happened. Instead we got Uni as the Stars and when they dropped out, Uni took over NSW Country Eagles. Took a long time for both teams to wind up under the Waratahs banner but even then clubs like Randwick whiteanted the comp, pulling players to play vs Argentina. I think it was the teams being under the Tahs that got the comp killed, once Uni no longer had a seat at the table (as neither Stars or NSW Country) the support for the comp disappeared. Now we've got a core group of clubs (including Uni and Wicks) upending the SRU. My speculation is this is step two following on from killing NRC. They'll look to trim the Shute and then step three will be inviting Tuggeranong, Heavies and Filth in to form the national club championship they've been talking about since NRC went down. Is madness, hope I'm wrong and if I'm not, I only hope there is someone with the vision to stop them.

2021-06-11T17:15:44+00:00

Tree Son

Roar Rookie


:laughing: :laughing: Less so if you’re not the first man in

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