Reds’ Andy Dufresne comparison: Falls from grace, long sentences, and lots of chiselling required to escape purgatory

By W Evans / Roar Rookie

Brad Thorn’s reference to the all-time classic, Shawshank Redemption, was an interesting one. Perhaps he sees himself as Ellis Boyd Redding, the institutionalised character played by Morgan Freeman.

In any case, while Thorn’s coaching stint hasn’t gone to plan and he’s wondering what life away from Rugby may look like, there is certainly more than a little Andy Dufresne about Queensland Rugby. Falls from grace, long sentences, false dawns and a whole lot of chiselling required to escape purgatory. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?

The Reds were Rugby Royalty in the 1990s. Super Rugby Champions in 1992, 1994 and 1995. Grandstands were built, rugby was played under lights and teenage talents like Tim Horan, Jason Little and Ben Tune were identified as well as retained. Two top-of-the-table finishes in Super 12 in 1996 and 1999 showed the age of professionalism hadn’t slowed Queensland Rugby down. It was a powerhouse.

I still remember sitting in the McLean Stand, four rows back on August 8 1993 as the Reds took on the Springboks and pushed them hard in front of 26,000 spectators. Sneaking onto ‘The Hill’ as a kid was a simple joy – picking up plastic cups after the match for pocket money, and rolling around on the playing turf in my oversized Canterbury jumper with the Bank of Queensland logo sewn on. Hair ribbons, Ralph Lauren shirts and girls from all the Brisbane schools in one place.

Those were the days, both for me and the Reds.

Tim Horan, one of the Wallabies’ greatest World Cup players. (David Rogers/Allsport)

And then it all came crashing down. Thinking hard about it, I can’t quite put my finger on any one moment or season when things disintegrated. But I can say with certainty that between 2001 and 2007, things went very badly wrong.

What was happening at Ballymore during those years? John Connolly won Super Rugby Coach of the Year in both 1998 and 1999 before guiding the Reds to a minor premiership and a semi-final loss. He moved to France the next season.

Then came some very dark times indeed.

Queensland slid from fourth place on the Super 12 table in 2001 to fifth in 2002, and eighth in 2003 before finishing tenth twice in 2004 and 2005. Ballymore was then vacated by the Reds in 2006 – it was absolutely a mistake to do so without a proper transition period.

Sure, play finals at Suncorp, and maybe even move sold-out games to free up extra seats. But why move all games? A crowd of 15,000 at Ballymore felt a whole lot more connected than a crowd of the same number at Suncorp Stadium.

If all that wasn’t bad enough, Queensland finished 12th in 2006, a season where notably the Force joined the competition. A talent drain ensued with the likes of Nathan Sharpe and Brendan Cannon heading West. At least the competition had been expanded to 14 teams that year so finishing 12th wasn’t dead last, but the fall from contenders to pretenders was far from over.

Edward Jones then coached Queensland in 2007 for a single disastrous season. He presided over perhaps their darkest day, a 92-3 loss to the Bulls in Pretoria.

Interestingly, Jeff Miller became the QRU’s Chief Executive between 2001-03 before jumping the desk to coach the Reds between 2004-06. His return as QRU President (2015-18) flowed into the role of Chairman (2018-22). Perhaps it’s a coincidence his tenures don’t include that brief few seasons of respite where Phil Mooney revived the franchise and then Ewen McKenzie took the Reds back to the pinnacle of provincial rugby in 2011. Perhaps it isn’t.

What we do know is that the Reds had their moment of drinking beer together on a rooftop in the sunshine where freedom from mediocrity and despair was tasted.

But it wasn’t to last, and like poor old Dufresne, the Reds went back to cellar dwellers.

The failure to consolidate after winning the Super Rugby title in 2011 is even more inexplicable, more unforgivable, and more farcical than the 92-3 loss against the Bulls.

‘Worldwide searches’ took place only to turn up the likes of Nick Stiles and Richard Graham. Good rugby men with few if any runs on the board as head coaches of professional rugby sides.

Graham at least had served apprenticeships in Bath and at Saracens before assisting John Mitchell at the Force. It wasn’t Graham’s fault that Mitchell cut the apprenticeship short when he left to join the Lions or that the Reds approached him soon after in 2012.

Stiles’ appointment in 2016 was a bigger head-scratcher. He’d had a shocking time of it at the Western Force between 2010 and 2013 (along with Graham) before a stint as the Reds forwards coach in 2014, arguably a year where there were a lot of forwards going backwards. The Reds finished 13th that year while the Tahs cleaned up and won the comp.

All that was apparently made up for by two successful seasons with Brisbane City before Stiles’ appointment as head coach of Queensland in July 2016. Again, after a ‘worldwide search’. Let those words sink in.

Is it any wonder that Brad Thorn inherited a situation that’s been kindly described as interesting? It must be said that Thorn had five years to fix it but it was a situation that called for a Wayne Bennett or Graham Henry, not a legendary player cutting his teeth in coaching. It was an undeniable mess.

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

It seems that the only union capable of conducting a worldwide search is one doing pretty well – Ireland. Joe Schmidt, David Nucifora, Andy Farrell, Stuart Lancaster and now our very own Scott Fardy. The list is almost endless.

So where to now for Queensland? How do you turn what is effectively a failing ‘sporting club’ into a professional rugby franchise?

Spoiler alert: Dufresne escaped Shawshank Prison after implementing a well-considered, deliberate, multifaceted plan that ultimately led to his freedom. He watched others become ‘institutionalised’ and decided that wasn’t for him. He was going to be different.

The Reds are in danger of repeating the same mistakes over and over again and expecting a different result.

Stiles coached University of Queensland from 2005 to 2007. Like Stiles, Thorn had some coaching success in the National Rugby Championship at a semi-professional level.

Mick Heenan, probably the front-runner to take over from Thorn, has a remarkably similar story. He won a host of Hospital Cups with University and was head coach of Brisbane City in the NRC. That doesn’t make him qualified for the Reds.

Heenan may well ‘deserve’ a shot but at the very least power brokers at Ballymore need to put some support around him at first. In fact, it would be best if the power brokers stepped right away and appointed someone like Joe Schmidt, Jake White or Steve Hansen to oversee the process and decision-making. Nucifora is too much to ask for!

Farrell hasn’t taken Ireland to the brink of a Rugby World Cup on his own. He’s had the likes of Schmidt, Nucifora and Lancaster laying the groundwork as well as mentoring him.

Queensland Rugby is at a decisive moment in its fabled history right now. It can’t afford another lost season, let alone three or four. Their journey has resembled Dufresne’s to this point. Now it’s got to hatch a better-than-average plan, implement it flawlessly and pop out the end of the sewer.

The Crowd Says:

2023-04-27T20:20:27+00:00

savant

Roar Rookie


White would be good. He’d recruit fora stronger tight 5 and play old fashioned territory rugby. Tom Lynagh looks the goods to me to steer the side around. Failing that I wonder if joe Schmidt could be enticed? Razor has cut him from the ABs.

AUTHOR

2023-04-26T15:35:43+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


Absolutely agree about the cultural and spiritual connection that Ballymore inspired. People argued that ‘progress’ was Suncorp but the opposite happened - it was more like vandalism. Your second point is an interesting one. I think it’s a case of ‘Build it and they will come’. I’m not sure you do that sustainably by throwing money at marquee signings. Nor do you do it simply by winning - if that was the case, the Reds winin 2011 should now be resulting in a surge in elite players of say 18-25. We haven’t seen that. The answer in my opinion is stability and a programme overseen by an experienced hand. One wonders whether Thorn rejected a director of rugby type figure or whether one was never offered to him.

2023-04-26T14:46:58+00:00

The Ferret

Roar Rookie


but we will take it on the chin like we always do when the bugger it up again.

2023-04-26T14:44:52+00:00

The Ferret

Roar Rookie


Never sat in the trees, but 100% made a few entrances via the creek. usually after a bunch of us made good use of a box of wine.

2023-04-26T14:43:48+00:00

The Ferret

Roar Rookie


Thanks for the memories. Ballymore is still a huge part of my younger memories in and around rugby. Hoping to make the finals in jr rugby just to get a chance to play on field was always why we played so hard week in week out. The move out of Ballymore was a poor decision IMO. I agree 100% that for big games or finals to upgrade the capacity to Lang Park makes sense but sometime traditions are better in the grand scheme of things. Atmosphere and the sense of community go a long way for the casual fan to start to become rusted on. To me Reds rugby went down hill when we failed to evolve into a true professional sporting club. Brisbane is and always will be a breeding ground for talent but a professional club cannot simply rely on the local talent to be the best. I love that Brad and many other coaches have relied on this principle but when you are competing for the same talent as 4 other super rugby sides and now europe and japan, you will not always het the best of the best which is what set us apart. The Tim Horan's, Ben Tunes, Elton Flatley's, Jason Littles and all the other world class players who naturally aspired to be Reds and now just trying to make a living and will go where the money is best. You only have to look at the Queenslanders (and NSW) players who play all around the world and Australia and not at home in Brisbane and Sydney. To fix the rot in both Qld and NSW top level coaches are needed. These coaches need to be able to recruit top talent home to QLD and NSW from domestic teams and from overseas clubs. Money will be an issue, and that is something that may just be the true problem with all rugby in Australia.

2023-04-26T11:13:34+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


I don’t think we’re far off. Add 2-3 more forwards and a better game plan and world beaters again. Absolutely nothing wrong with our backline or backrow.

2023-04-26T09:17:10+00:00

mzilikazi

Roar Pro


Great article, W.E. I thoroughly enjoyed the read. We emigrated to Australia in 1988, and was back home in Ulster for a few weeks enroute . Qld. (none of this "Reds" stuff then, they wore maroon jerseys)were touring the UK and I went to Ravenhill, as it was then called, to watch the game. On one of those awful wet, cold Irish nights, the Qld. team beat a good enough Ulster team. The press described them as the best Provincial team in the world. They were impressive. Michael Lynagh was the 10 too. How sad to see this proud team where it is now. I hope a really top class coach can be found to turn this slump around. Jake White os mentioned by some, and he would be a strong man to have in my view. The other coach I would look at is Vern Cotter....not sure what happened between him and Fiji. But he was very good with Scotland.

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2023-04-26T07:32:51+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


That’s the multi-million dollar question … I don’t think anyone really understands the politics behind it all at Ballymore. But I hint at my views in the article.

2023-04-26T07:06:02+00:00

Andrew

Roar Rookie


Who is the evil warden in this saga?

2023-04-26T06:55:16+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


Head of rugby, BGS

AUTHOR

2023-04-26T06:36:14+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


Hi Jimbo! It’s an interesting question. Do you know what Mooney has been doing the last 10 years?

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2023-04-26T06:35:28+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


Yes, when you look back at what occurred through the early 2000s it is pretty stark. I don’t know the politics behind ditching McBain for Slack etc but it’s an interesting topic.

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2023-04-26T06:33:32+00:00

W Evans

Roar Rookie


It was somewhat painful walking down memory lane in a way PeterK! As I say in the article they really messed up a good thing in the early 2000s. The people involved around that time should be answering some questions now.

2023-04-26T03:42:31+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


Why not bring Mooney back? He has unfinished business and is a genius for set play attack. At least as attack coach ffs.

2023-04-26T03:37:05+00:00

Tooly

Roar Rookie


Sacking Mark McBain was one of the dumbest decisions . You won’t get Andy Farrell , you deserve Nucifora but you need Jake White !

2023-04-25T22:18:34+00:00

Dean

Roar Rookie


Here is hoping the board reads, reads it again, takes a break, then reads this article again W. We can not afford another wasted opportunity at the Reds.

2023-04-25T21:44:47+00:00

Adsa

Roar Rookie


Thanks W your piece has pointed to the fact the QRU board have made many crap calls and are too reactive not proactive and internal picks that just have not worked. After Connelly, Mark Mcbain was coach and as soon as results floundered he was punted for untested Andrew Slack. Slack was poor and Miller inserted himself in the role when he left. Eddie was a failure, Mooney showed promise but was punted too early. Link was a good pick and was from outside the carpark. Graham, Stiles and Thorn not ready. Surely the QRU can see by looking back that an outsider with OS experience is needed.

2023-04-25T20:44:45+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


Good piece, W :thumbup: Can’t pretend I have any answers, but I think you sketch out the roots of the current problems fairly well. While we’re talking movies, maybe Failure to Launch, too?

2023-04-25T20:40:47+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


good article, loved the walk down history lane. I lived down the road from Ballymore as a teenager and used to sneak in from across the river or sit in the trees and watch the games for free. Jake White is probably the best coach that reds could snare, if others that are available that are considered better than White I doubt very much they would be interested. Heenan would be repeating their mistakes of other world wide searches.

2023-04-25T20:06:35+00:00

Wheelbarrow

Roar Rookie


Good discussion. A great coach is needed, not a good one. Start doing the basics well, don’t have poor discipline and a winning culture will bring the people back. Let’s learn the lessons

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