Studs and duds: 'Can't do that in Tests' - Tate flaw exposed, Hooper divides opinion, 'absolutely incredible' Angus

By Tony Harper / Editor

Wallabies coach Eddie Jones wants you to “keep praying” to any deity you think might help his team make a miracle recovery in time for the start of the World Cup.

With the Wallabies kicking off against Georgia in five weeks time, Eddie might consider a pre-tournament side trip from their Paris base to Lourdes to see if that town’s healing shrine can sort out the team’s multitude of issues.

Having pitched in Tate McDermott and Carter Gordon for the first time together in a Test from the start against the All Blacks, Jones admitted that partnership was a work in progress following the 38-7 defeat.

Gordon started promisingly enough but his 50 minutes dissolved into a mess, including one poor kick that led to a late first half try to the Wallabies.

Jones, who was criticised in his time with England for persisting with young star Marcus Smith over veteran Owen Farrell in the No.10 jersey appears to have hitched his hopes on Gordon, although spurned Noah Lolesio stands as an example of a flyhalf promoted before their time.

“I think he’s the best young 10 in Australia,” Jones said of Gordon afterwards. “I’ve seen Richard Mo’unga play Tests like that. And Richard Mo’unga if you look at his first 45 Tests, he had a bit of up and down in it. He wasn’t good enough, then he was good enough.

“And sometimes you’ve got to go through a bit of pain to  bring young players through, and I’m prepared to go through that.”

Tate McDermott of the Wallabies passes during the The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the Australia Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

McDermott’s passion and intensity can’t be faulted – but his passing remains a topic of conversation and the contrast with the knife sharp Aaron Smith was clear.

Speaking on The Roar Rugby Podcast Instant Reaction, Jim Tucker said McDermott bounced back early on after being monstered by Scott Barrett in the lead up to the opening try, only to lose his accuracy.

“Towards the end of his time on the field, his pass shortened up a bit,” said Tucker. “You can’t do that in Test footy. You’ve got to be on with that pass as a halfback. That’s probably still the glitch in his game – there are certainly other good parts of his game.”

Tucker added that Gordon was tracking well for someone so fresh in such a key role. “Carter Gordon, that’s the beginnning for him not the end,” he said, but the result left a sour taste.

“It’s just an overall feeling. The Wallabies, 0-3 so far this season, are we even a chance of winning the World Cup? You’d have to say we’re a chance of scrambling through and preventing a team from winning the World Cup but are we going to win the World Cup? You’ve got to have fairly muted considerations about that at this stage.”

Carter Gordon of the Wallabies passes during the The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the Australia Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Harry Jones, also speaking on the Instant Reaction podcast, focussed on the Wallabies coaching team, suggesting that Eddie Jones’ decision to completely overhaul his assistants left them with too much to do in too short a time.

Eddie Jones accepted responsibility for the defeat – but defended his selections and couldn’t really elaborate on what he’d done wrong.

“You can blame me if you want to. If you want the headline ‘The problem is Jones’ use that,” Eddie said. “Every game has a context around it. If we did a couple of things a little bit better at the start of the game and got some more points on the board then the last 20 minutes wouldn’t have been what it was like. We ran out of gas the last 20 minutes.”

Harry Jones believes the coaches failed to react and the defence – maligned by ex-assistant Laurie Fisher recently – remained a mess under Brett Hodgson.

“Stocks falling would be for me is the coaching setup,” Harry said. “Not just Eddie – we focus too much on Eddie. But look at the All Blacks – they brought in Joe Schmidt, who has excellent starter plays, and he’s got them attacking him really tightly. Everyone knows what they’re doing at the ruck.

“And you have Jason Ryan just forbidding anyone to score maul tries. That’s a year of no maul tries. In comparison, I think the Wallabies, the only way that Eddie could have really worked is to have kept some of the assistants and I think now that the fact that they were run off or they ran off, I’m not sure what happened, it’s really coming to bear now.

“Adjustments, you cannot have a head coach do it all – it has to be some from the assistant coaches. I thought the defensive shifts all went wrong. So I don’t know what happened at oranges. It didn’t seem like it worked at all.”

Brett McKay, also on the podcast, had unused Fraser McReight as a stock falling after the performance of Tom Hooper in the unfamiliar role of openside flanker.

McReight might get a boost with Michael Hooper struggling to return to fitness, but McKay believes Tom Hooper’s impact could bring the versatile Pete Samu back into calculations instead.

“Tom Hooper was really, really promising and again, not as an onballer. He’s a very different player to Fraser McReight but that defensive display from Tom Hooper –  Eddie Jones has talked about wanting size and he ran out his biggest back row in I can’t remember,” said McKay.

“Tom Hooper had made 23 tackles by halftime and I thought for a young guy playing his first full game, and he did actually get through the game at open side, he was pretty good tonight. He’s not your classic on-baller. He’s not going to be that sort of player. But he was very, very good. And I’ve got to give big ups to him for that.”

Tucker wasn’t ready to jump on the Tom Hooper at 7 bandwagon, though.

“I would always lean towards the fetcher seven. That’s in Australia’s DNA if we’re playing well and linking,” said Tucker.

“There’s a situation there where we made a clean break, looking around for a link player, no link player in sight. You just need to expect a break is always going to be made even if it doesn’t happen nine out of 10 times. Fraser McReight is that sort of person to back it up.”

Eddie Jones talked up Tom Hooper’s performance.

“Competitive. I think he’s got a good future there,” Eddie said. “That’s a hard game for him to play against and we wanted to find out where he’s at. So we got a pretty good picture. I like his attitude. I like his competitiveness.”

He said the All Blacks like a high ball in play game. “So for a seven it’s a hard job. I think in terms of the turnovers in the breakdown we probably shaded in that area. I haven’t seen the stats, but certainly my eye would tell me that. So I thought he did a pretty good job.”

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McKay was also impressed by “absolutely incredible” Angus Bell and Rob Valetini, who played “his best game for the Wallabies this year, which admittedly is coming from a low base.

“We’ve got a glimpse of what he can do and what he’s very, very good at. He hits the gain line really well and he looked like was wanting to carry and there were a few like that, Bell was also great in that department.”

Harry Jones’ eye was caught by big Will Skelton.

“I’m just looking for things that make this team different from the Dave Rennie team that also had similar runaway losses and I’m having trouble finding it,” Harry said. “I would say Will Skelton is my only difference maker. I thought he stopped a few mauls on his own. I thought he was devastating in some of the tight loose.”

Tucker thought Mark Nawaqanitawase is making the winger jersey his own.

“People don’t burst through three All Blacks and add another one for good measure very often,”Tucker said of an early Marky Mark surge.

“He found a way to do that. His stocks are way through the roof, considering a year ago he wasn’t really a Test player.

“Now he’s the frontline pick alongside Marika Koroibete. He just looks made for Test footy and that’s really important. He sustained his intensity.”

Koroibete, it must be said, was well off his best, missing a tackle to allow a try to Rieko Ioane and being less effective than usual – despite one highlights reel hit on Mark Telea.

Tucker’s other shining light was Jordie Petaia – thrust into No.13 on limited action to replace injured Len Ikitau.

“I’ve got a big wrap for Jordie Petaia,” said Tucker. “For a guy  who hadn’t played for three months, he came in did brilliantly, made a really strong tackle on Jordie Barrett at one point, a nice little offload, took out those little 50-50 passes out of his game and had a really strong first hour.”

Overall, Tucker seemed struck by a strong sense of ennui ahead of the journey to France.

“As good as the Wallabies were in that first 25 minutes there’s a real worry that other teams world wide think if you break the Wallabies, they’re gone and you can rack up a big score,” Tucker said. “That’s a horrible slight on a team. The Kiwis have done this plenty of times before. There was some fairly inept defence.

“Sure enough, only 14 players on the field at times so it’s tough, but you’ve got to  look at the very good from the Wallabies, but you could also examine some of the tail end stuff that wasn’t good.”

Eddie Jones is still talking it up, as you would expect.

” I saw enough today to make me believe that we can (succeed), but there’s a lot of hard work to do,”he said.

“Transforming a team from where they are now to a team that’s capable of beating New Zealand takes a lot of hard work and the clock’s ticking, but we’ve still got enough time.

Eddie Jones, Head Coach of the Wallabies before the The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the Australia Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

“Every day counts. We might have to train on the plane on the way. We’ll see if we can get a Hercules or something, so we can do a bit of training on the way over. Everything counts.

“What I liked about the team tonight was the way tactically they took on New Zealand in the first 20 minutes and if you arrived from Mars and watched the first 20 minutes you’d probably think the gold team was the stronger team.

“That’s the reality. But you got to be able to do it for 80 minutes. When you put teams under pressure you’ve got to be able to convert that into points. We’re not good enough to do that at the moment. But that’s a step we we need to take.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-08-02T04:18:10+00:00

LuckyPhil

Roar Rookie


Everyone knows its: 1 poo and its easy to clean up and the smell goes away quickly 2 poos (and one was probably on Ma's favourite rug) and the house starts smelling like sh1t 3 poos and you get locked outside, never to feel the comfort of the fireplace or the freshly made bed

2023-08-01T12:37:37+00:00

Tipene Roar

Roar Rookie


Why?They are travelling pretty good

2023-08-01T00:17:07+00:00

ozxile

Roar Pro


“Nic White has the best pass in Australia”…rubbish! However, even if he did, add to that his slowness to the breakdown, unwillingness to reach into scrums or rucks for the ball, his ‘passive’ defense, and his hesitant and slow delivery of that ‘best pass’, and what have you got? A huge liability. A good (not even great) scrumhalf can prevent a lot of bad things from going against a non-dominant pack by getting stuck in, and getting the ball out quickly – before the defenses get organized, before the scrum falls apart, before a counter-ruck rolls over the ball, before a teammate does a stupid cleanout (and gets a penalty or worse) to give him an easy shot at the ball… Sadly, Nic White isn’t that interested anymore.

2023-07-31T22:19:46+00:00

Flickpass

Roar Rookie


Don’t sacrifice anyone, add as ´any as you need, more people watch schoolboy rugby than SR

2023-07-31T07:02:06+00:00

Smiggle Jiggle

Roar Guru


TBH, Scooter's form is right up there, not many locks would have got to Tate. He would be in my world team as a starting lock.

2023-07-31T04:27:52+00:00

Joey

Roar Rookie


The biggest concern was that Nic White didn't play any better. He clearly has a better pass but I still don't understand how he didn't grab the ball out of either scrum when Tupou was injured. It seems at every ruck and scrum he pauses for 1-2 secs and just lets the defence get set. So the question now is, which Aus scrum half is good enough.

2023-07-31T01:52:14+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


How many inappropriate poos does it take to warrant the killing of a cat?? Genuinely curious...

2023-07-31T01:51:24+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


Yep, I take and agree with those points. He's a more mature man and a better mentor, absolutely. I do think he's been something of a 'red herring' for Australian rugby though. A bit like Shane Watson for Aussie cricket; always showed potential and always did enough to retain a spot, but rarely ever delivered. It was more the promise of what he could do. I think Brad Thorn thought the same thing and basically said "that's enough" before pulling the trigger and sacking him at the Reds. Anyway, yes, he's a more positive influence now, definitely.

2023-07-31T01:19:37+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


G’day D10. QC’s style has never kept everyone happy but you’ve got to admire the leadership he showed, and the respect given if the faces tell the story, after the game on Saturday night. I still think there’s more to offer there, than Foley.

2023-07-31T01:09:26+00:00

Markus

Roar Rookie


"The difference came from one player missing." Swain is a good lineout operator and mauler/counter-mauler. But the bigger difference between 2022 and 2023 came from a change in coach and far more focus on backline attack than the rolling maul.

2023-07-30T23:32:37+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


Gordon is at least running onto the ball when he receives it, and he looks to run with the ball in two hands, assessing options for both himself and others. Cooper has always been on his heels receiving the ball, for his entire career. He's either standing still or running sideways. Sometimes he's even running sideways and backwards at the same time. The defence is always swamping us. It was most obvious when Cooper first came in, early in his career, because we all compared him to Larkham who was (hands down) the better, more direct, more creative attacking player. And I DON'T mean the dancing around on the spot, flick passing, 'air stepping', typically useless stuff that Cooper does. I mean, genuinely creative stuff like changing the point of attack, arranging his runners and turning the ball back inside, putting angles in his run and sliding through himself, throwing long balls after a series of short pases etc. Point is, unless conditions are perfect and our forwards are dominating, our backs are never going to perform under Cooper. Gordon has far more potential. Sorry, Cooper fans, but it's absolutely true.

2023-07-30T22:51:14+00:00

Ozrugbynut

Roar Rookie


That's a pretty solid assessment Rogue, really appreciated. I have similar concerns. No doubt he can be dating with ball in hand but needs a 360 game. Bell probably still has some doubts over his set piece prowess at test level but he put on a very convincing show and likely to have some longevity at this level I'm thinking.

2023-07-30T22:40:11+00:00

Kai Levuka

Roar Rookie


Problem when you’re playing on the back foot is that there is no game to manage… only damage limitation.

2023-07-30T19:36:43+00:00

Rogue Estate

Roar Rookie


Injury aside I find his scrummaging over rated. I also think his tackling technics are a little poor as well. Fitness is a massive issue - but in fairness he's not played a while. He made the initial call not to come off on Saturday (assuming) to the physio - just all so weird like he was either having a brain fart or thinking he was doing it for the team. He was known for thunderous ball-carrying and destructive scrum­maging, but Bell is playing 10x better and when was the last time we saw TT run the ball hard? I just think after so much of a future his development has hit a brick wall. I must state I love it when players prove me wrong and rub my face in it.

2023-07-30T19:25:54+00:00

Rogue Estate

Roar Rookie


I think that in NZ & I'm the same correct me if I'm wrong all contracts are with the NZ rugby Union. Super teams are asked a lot to be nice, paly a positional change or rest quite often and it seems to work. Surely ARU is the primary contract in Australia as well?

2023-07-30T18:24:56+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


I never cheered his selection, called it stupid. Am I allowed to continue to push for Quade. We need his game management

2023-07-30T18:23:13+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


That’s obviously ridiculous

2023-07-30T16:57:13+00:00

AntiCorey

Roar Rookie


Hey Tony, any comment on your involvement with stabbing Rennie?

2023-07-30T10:06:13+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


White has been pretty rubbish this year.

2023-07-30T10:01:14+00:00

Trog

Roar Rookie


White has a far better pass, with Gordon at 5/8, we need a fast halfback pass, because Gordons is too slow…its pretty, but …

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