Eddie Jones joked about signing Nathan Cleary - but he might be the only man who can save the Wallabies

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

Hunkered under cover from the rain at Coogee Oval on Tuesday morning, something strange was happening.

It wasn’t Eddie Jones’ press conference that was unusual – it was who had come along to cover it.

To his left stood the regular crowd, the rugby union journalists, or at least, the ones who are not still in France covering the rest of the World Cup.

To his right were the rugby league journalists, those seconded to Wallabies duty to cover for colleagues absent in Europe, or because they expected a resignation, or both.

In front were the TV cameras, far more of them than usual, so many that it was remarked upon within the media conference that this was the biggest press pack Jones has addressed since his so-far ill-fated return to the top job last year.

Once the nuts and bolts had been covered off the top – he’s staying, in case you missed it – the questions, duly, were equally strange.

From the union side were detailed, technical interrogations of the World Cup and where it had gone wrong, the age profile of the squad and the state of rugby union in this country more broadly regarding the structures of Rugby Australia and how it interacts with member states.

From the league side, it was, understandbly, slightly less specific. Where does Joseph Suaalii fit in? What about Nathan Cleary? What happened with Angus Crichton?

In the end, both sides were answered, Eddie cracked some jokes and it seemed everyone got what they wanted out of the occasion. The presser lead the sports section of the evening news, rarified air for rugby union in Australia in 2023.

Wallabies head coach Eddie Jones speaks to the media during a Rugby Australia press conference at Coogee Oval on October 17, 2023 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

Amid it all was one great unasked question: is Eddie Jones bigger than the Wallabies now?

At one point, he listed all the young players that he had chosen ahead of Michael Hooper and Quade Cooper, and the thought occurred that none of them were remotely famous. If they were stood in the middle of Parramatta, barely anyone would know who they were.

Then, Jones was asked about poaching Nathan Cleary to rugby union, which he fobbed off with a characteristically disarming line about driving straight from Coogee to Penrith to sign him up.

Beneath the charisma was a serious point. Cleary is more famous than any of the Wallabies. That’s not a massive issue, because he’s the best player of his generation and just dominated the NRL Grand Final.

But whenever Joseph Suaalii joins – this year, next, or the year after – he’ll immediately be the most famous Wallaby player, which is a cause for major concern because he’s not the best player of his generation, he’s a middling-to-good winger who has already been replaced by the constant pipeline of talent that feeds into rugby league.

At the moment, Eddie Jones is currently the most famous thing about the Wallabies, the only personality they have and the only reason they’re in the paper at all.

Were he someone else, the catastrophic World Cup performance would have got him sacked and in all likelihood, the results that got him sacked from England could have precluded him getting the job in the first place.

Yet here we were, discussing how it was a good thing that he was staying on. The union journos had challenging questions about the future of their game, but the league side were proving how deep a hole they were in, because we were only there for the Eddie show. 

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA – OCTOBER 01: Nathan Cleary of the Panthers poses with the Provan-Summons Trophy after winning the 2023 NRL Grand Final match between Penrith Panthers and Brisbane Broncos at Accor Stadium on October 01, 2023 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

If it had been Dave Rennie, or some new coach, two thirds of the assembled media would have been somewhere else.

That’s why the Nathan Cleary comments matter. The policy of buying rugby league players isn’t done because they’ll help the Wallabies win – that, if it happens, would just be a bonus. It’s about making the Wallabies relevant. 

That, to this outsider at least, seems to be why Jones was made coach in the first place and why he remains it now. Australians love a winning team, but they need to know games are actually happening first.

Cleary is already modern great at the age of 26, but to think that he’d be a better playmaker in rugby union than someone who has played it their entire life is pretty fanciful. 

He’s got the talent, sure, but you can’t pick up experience quickly and past evidence with cross-code transfers would suggest that it would be a long shot.

As was the case with Suaalii, it would also send out a huge message to those that have chosen to stick with union that, really, they don’t matter that much. 

The financial cost to lure Nathan over would be astronomical, and the political cost perhaps even higher.

It’s so high that it might suit Rugby Australia to keep mentioning his name, as they did for a long time with the ultimately fruitless campaign to bring Andrew Johns over in the mid-2000s, rather than actually signing him.

It speaks to the reflected glory that Hamish McLennan is left to deal with. 

Jones is a reflection of a time they were truly popular in Australia, to which they would like to return.

He’s not the best Australian coach out there – especially after Michael Cheika qualified for another semi-final – but he is the most marketable.

Nathan Cleary isn’t the best halfback they could find, either, but he would also be the most marketable. His debut would outrate any Wallabies game for years.

With Jones staying on, they have gone all-in on marketability over results. The more chat there is about poaching league players, the more it confirms how far they have fallen.

They chased Johns from a position of strength, but with Cleary – or Suaalii or Crichton – it’s out of desperation. England and New Zealand have plenty of great league players they could go for, but don’t need to.

The Wallabies just burned a World Cup with a highly favourable draw in pursuit of having a better team in 2027 – at least that appeared to be the gist of what Jones was saying. 

Jones pontificated on the structure of the game, but the impact of that within the timeframe before Australia hosts the next World Cup remains to be seen.

His comments on the women’s game – of which he is, nominally at least, also in charge – were borderline derisory, calling it a “secondary issue” and suggesting that he wouldn’t be travelling to New Zealand to watch the Wallaroos upcoming matches.

That is a travesty given that the Wallaroos are hopelessly underpaid, and are thus hemorrhaging their best players to the NRLW. 

At a time when women’s football has just captivated the nation, it sends entirely the wrong message. 

The Wallaroos, too, have a home World Cup on the horizon, and will likely need to poach players back from league to stand a chance. Hopefully Cleary’s agent has Tamika Upton’s phone number.

The whole Coogee press conference provided a convenient metaphor for the Wallabies set-up under Jones. 

As he arrived, he walked out into the middle of the oval, trailed by a camera crew who were making a documentary about the Wallabies, with Jones a major character within that. 

When he spoke, he was engaging, funny, charismatic and provided a surfeit of good lines to the media who came along to listen.

The Wallabies, however, keep losing. They exited the World Cup at the first opportunity, and there wasn’t much to suggest how they might win the next one. Except Nathan Cleary, of course.

But that wasn’t serious, and Eddie Jones might not be either.

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-25T03:50:20+00:00

Phil McKraken

Roar Rookie


Watching the Bok vs England game was just like watching a chess match in the park between two grouchy old men! If that gets your rocks off for you then joy to you but most people would rather not watch.

2023-10-24T10:47:25+00:00

In From The Side

Roar Rookie


Well it’d ensure the Bledisloe stays with NZ for even longer. What a crap idea. When is rugby going to learn that the differences in the game can’t be bridged without a lot of training and experience. Cleary has no knowledge of rugby and wouldn’t know how to contest the ball in a tackle. He’d be a joke and a kick in the guts for every rugby player staying loyal and being good.

2023-10-23T08:57:27+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Much like Commodores and Falcons.

2023-10-23T05:36:39+00:00

Wizz

Roar Rookie


Phil give yourself an uppercut… international games are sold out in big stadiums wont see hockey doing that…prob rugby has its a thinking persons sport and Australia has been dumbed down that much over the years AFL league have prospered with there basic boring games the masses can understand.. That and checkers.

2023-10-23T05:33:53+00:00

Wizz

Roar Rookie


I’m from west originally so not some snobby beachside comment…prob with the west and I was explaining this too my English Girlfriend recently when it’s 43 in Penrith Parramatta it 28 in city…that’s big difference in temp.

2023-10-22T10:00:54+00:00

London Panther

Roar Rookie


Many of us feel that same way about being forced to watch a game of rugby.

2023-10-22T08:57:30+00:00

blacktown leagues

Roar Rookie


No argument there Guzzle but for others to say he hasn’t stepped up in origin is ridiculous. Remember the series played in qld in 2021. The blues flogged qld in the first two games then game 3 with Cleary injured they got beat. Not many players have truly dominated origin, but Cleary seems to be criticized for not dominating every time he plays. His record sits at 50% success, Slightly behind Langer better than Kevin Walters ,equal to Munster who gets nothing but praise. DCE is slightly better at 54% but in that is four games off the bench riding off the back of Cronk Smith Slater and Thurston.I think nsw lack of recent success comes down to the forwards, but the halves get blamed. Throw a blues jersey on Fisher Harris and Leota and see what happens.

2023-10-22T08:53:38+00:00

Greg

Roar Pro


It seemed to be leaning into a country kid that plays centre and 6 to make the comparison rather than talk about ability/playing style.

2023-10-22T08:43:51+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Ok thanks. Not sure about that call by the writer?

2023-10-22T08:31:21+00:00

Wizz

Roar Rookie


I'd rather be incarcerated than live in Penrith...

2023-10-22T08:30:15+00:00

Wizz

Roar Rookie


That's very true but this crop of wallabies would be well below there league counterparts in basic skills and performance potential...Joe roff over Wendell all day..

2023-10-22T07:35:39+00:00

Robbo

Roar Rookie


Ok - my old mate was pretty pleased because he was his opposing half - and because he only played 7 tests for England and I think only 1 of those was against Australia.

2023-10-22T07:15:53+00:00

Greg

Roar Pro


I skimmed it. It was calling Cole Burton 2.0. Also made mention of Geyer, Henry and the McLeans.

2023-10-22T07:12:28+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


A client of mine has a father-in-law who said something similar Robbo. He told me that he not only missed tackling Catchpole, he missed SEEING him flash past to the try line.

2023-10-22T07:02:28+00:00

Robbo

Roar Rookie


Speaking of Catchpole, my pre iously mentioned ex father in law played against him and scored a try. He recalls Catchpole telling him "ill give you one but you will never get another"

2023-10-22T06:01:16+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


Is there rugby journalists still in Oz. Because they don’t seem to write much or hold anyone to account here.

2023-10-22T05:51:30+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


Consider myself copped, lol

2023-10-22T05:49:35+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


Bingo

2023-10-22T05:48:24+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


Actually it’s 30 guys sharing $12.1m, and it’s rising every year, unlike in European rugby where it is dropping, because the NRL’s gross revenues rise every year and players are paid out if the games revenues, not rich benefactors. We also have a minimum salary of $125,000 which is also rising every year. So yes, the top handful may earn more playing in France than the NRL, big that’s it, and even that won’t last. But all of that doesn’t matter because no kid growing up in Sydney & Brisbane dreams of playing rugby in France, they all want to play closer to home. They might choose Europe later in their careers, but when they are teenagers the vast majority will choose an NRL career with a clear career pathway over the vague idea they might become a Wallaby.

2023-10-22T05:28:12+00:00

3 R M

Roar Rookie


There are articles on it. Search how far do rugby players run. Roar rugby has a piece that breaks it down by position and code. Then it goes into the high speed sprints. I know Cotter ran 9 km playing prop in 90 minutes on a hot and humid Darwin night, that's rare for a forward of either code but he is freakishly fit. Latrell isn't freakishly fit so I just gave him the average for league fullbacks. Cleary is very busy and regularly goes well over the average 9km mark for half backs by kilometres. Latrell would be a very effective 12 /13 As league fullbacks are used to defending in open space and run constantly though the game . It is surprising how close the numbers are across all positions, with the disparity of ball in play times between the codes. Though the Rugby-League half-backs are way out on their own. They can't run without a head, is the elephant in the room with latrell, he does spend a lot of time on the pine from suspensions.

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