Which coach stands to lose (or gain) the most from preliminary final weekend?

By Dem Panopoulos / Expert

Preliminary final weekend can define coaching legacies.

On a surface level, we look at the penultimate weekend of the AFL season as simply the process to determine the two teams that will face off for ultimate glory.

Drill further down and there’s a lot more riding on it for individuals.

Simon Goodwin, Chris Scott, Ken Hinkley and Luke Beveridge have led their teams well in 2021, yet this weekend’s footy will tell us if their efforts have been truly successful.

The concept of ‘legacy’ is a strange one, particularly given how fickle and flippant we, as AFL fans, can be when discussing figures in the game. Whether it’s 180 characters or a quick 30-second grab, there’s an innate ability to sum a career up without second thought.

Rightly or wrongly, AFL coaches tend to be judged harshly, and how we view success usually relates to reaching a certain mark, or simply winning.

The underlying theme seems to be that leading a team to a grand final manages to get a coach up to the level of at least being seen as “good”, while a premiership gets you into the history books. Of course, there are outliers in any parameters that are set, but they tend to be driven by recency bias and perhaps the pain of supporter bases one way or the other.

Reaching, yet failing to progress past a preliminary final isn’t held in high regard, perhaps because it isn’t as statistically captivating, nor is it particularly celebratory in nature. Sometimes we forget only one team can win the premiership and in some cases, it’s a monumental effort to reach the final two weeks of the season.

In fact, as time progresses, it’s almost as if there’s a separation between the performance of a club reaching a preliminary final, generally seen as a success, and the performance of a coach, particularly if they’re a long-termer.

Brad Scott stands out as the most recent example of a coach that is perhaps underrated for his efforts in charge of North Melbourne, and one who might need an opportunity elsewhere to try and solidify his legacy.

Scott coached North Melbourne 203 times, the third-most in club history, and had an overall record of 102 wins and 101 losses. In only one full season did he coach the team to less than ten wins, finishing 15th with six wins in 2017.

Towards the end of his tenure in charge of the Kangaroos, we know that the club was making drastic list management decisions and Scott’s media performances and handling of situations was inconsistent.

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In 2014 and 2015, Scott led North Melbourne to two preliminary finals, once from sixth position and once from eighth position on the ladder. In these two seasons, the Kangaroos were praised for their spirit and ability to get to that spot, despite the failed attempts. Brad Scott isn’t afforded such praise for these efforts when discussed as a coach.

If North Melbourne had made the grand final in either of these seasons, perhaps opinions of Scott would have changed immediately. He may have been given more recognition for his coaching and more trust placed in him when the going got tough.

It certainly would’ve changed the legacy of Brad Scott at the Kangaroos if he went at least one step further but instead, he continues to be maligned.

Ahead of this weekend’s two fixtures, it’s clear that there’s a lot of pressure on Simon Goodwin and Ken Hinkley.

Hinkley has had nine years at Port Adelaide and is yet to reach a grand final, losing the 2014 preliminary final to Hawthorn by three points, and last year to Richmond by a measly goal.

To his credit, he has been able to change things when needed; the way Port Adelaide has played over his time in charge has varied and the personnel he surrounds himself with has too.

It’s a mixed relationship he has had with Power fans as they’ve never finished with less than ten wins in a season under Hinkley, but they’ve never quite looked like world beaters either.

One could argue that this is the highest-pressure situation that has faced the 54-year-old in his coaching career, given all the expectation surrounding the Power in 2021.

They did what they needed to do and earned a home-final when everyone else was failing, and dominated Geelong to earn this preliminary final at home against the Bulldogs.

Ken Hinkley (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Finally reaching the grand final would be just reward and let Power fans breathe a little easier, even if a premiership is really what’s needed at this stage of his career.

It’s extremely hard to be in charge of a football club for nearly a decade, not reach the grand final and avoid criticism, though. If it were to eventuate, there’d seemingly be a black mark against Hinkley’s name going forward. Some fans will argue that the team simply must win, otherwise the coach will forever be trapped in mediocrity in the eyes of stakeholders.

For Goodwin, he has been much maligned, largely from his own supporter base. The 2018 preliminary final appearance was followed by 14 wins in the next two years. Such a drop-off warranted criticism and concern.

Leading the Demons to their first minor premiership since their last premiership in 1964 hasn’t exactly wiped the slate clean and given people a fresh opinion on Goodwin, despite the impressiveness of the turnaround.

Any neutral can see that this Melbourne squad looks to be one that can sustain an attack on the flag for the next few years, with the elite talent in the right age bracket and a tactic that allows for a plug-and-play approach, much like Richmond in the past four years.

Yet Melbourne supporters, some of them at least, won’t look at it in that way. Naturally, they’ll be swept up in the emotion of the upcoming game against Geelong, knowing the dream is a couple of steps away.

Goodwin stands to gain a lot if the Demons win this weekend, reaching the grand final in his fifth year of coaching after winning the minor premiership. It’ll show that he has the ability to reach the ‘big dance’ and from that point, anything is possible. No one can take that away from him, his legacy would at least read that he is good enough to turn a team around and reach the final.

Another preliminary final loss, particularly one that has come with such great expectation would be a devastating blow, despite the future looking bright for the club. If Melbourne lose on Friday night, we can already anticipate the reaction and who’ll be in the media’s and supporters’ firing line.

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Chris Scott doesn’t exactly escape all of this, even if his legacy is pretty settled. We discussed what it would mean for the Cats to not win the premiership over a month ago, but a fifth preliminary final loss in a decade would be pretty devastating.

Media and supporter narratives dictate that falling short in any sporting context is generally met with ridicule and leaves a bad taste on the memory of those most passionate.

Not for a second is this to suggest Scott could be downgraded from anything other than being a great coach, particularly having won a premiership and owning an astonishing 72 per cent win rate, better than any other Geelong coach in history outside of Cliff Rankin a century ago, in a quarter of the games.

We can sense, though, that another loss this weekend could be used against Scott ever entering the upper echelon. Sometimes we need to look at these things as if the coach were to never be in charge of a club again; one flag and two grand final appearances from ten finals campaigns would bring mixed reviews.

Perhaps the most exempt from this discussion is Luke Beveridge and his Bulldogs. Mid-year, they were a shoo-in to reach this stage of the season. After their last six weeks, we must give Beveridge and his players a heap of credit for making it through the first two finals.

Above all else, Beveridge’s legacy is forever tied to guiding the Bulldogs to their second ever premiership and in the near future, he will become their most successful coach in terms of total wins and finals appearances. Even the most catastrophic of future performances can’t take that away from the 51-year-old, although one suspect it’ll never get that bad for the club.

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If anything, he only stands to bolster his legacy with success on Saturday night.

This weekend’s fixtures offer us the four most impressive clubs of 2021 in two fantastic contests that should give us plenty of entertainment and two justified contenders.

Particularly in the current climate, it’s extremely impressive for these four coaches to have rallied the troops and had them playing with great strength and unity for long patches of this season, despite the bedlam that surrounds them in the world.

Reaching a preliminary final is a fantastic achievement, but we know that supporters want a lot more than that.

There’s a lot to lose and a lot to gain this weekend for the fans, the coaches and their legacies.

Good luck to those in charge of Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Geelong and the Western Bulldogs.

The Crowd Says:

2021-09-11T02:28:41+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Pablo he is a huge loss but we can mitigate the loss with the Bear playing in ruck if our mids lead by Libba can rip the sh.t out of centre square & our HB’s play blinders (Williams , Dale & Daniel) & Nort kicks 5, l won’t need to buy another TV :thumbup:

2021-09-11T01:31:24+00:00

Mooty

Roar Rookie


You’re right, people are always bringing up if onlys, especially in finals. History books don’t show those in the results, only winners and losers

2021-09-11T01:10:41+00:00

Knackaz

Roar Rookie


Scott & Dad's Army need more than a grease and oil change. Either a complete rebuild or a trip to the scrap yard ...

2021-09-10T23:46:03+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Well you were pretty spot on and I was wrong Mooty. Good luck next week to the Demons.

2021-09-10T23:03:55+00:00

Mooty

Roar Rookie


Point proven Peter except they did it a quarter earlier than I expected. Geelong were worse than anyone could have thought. Scott and Dad’s Army need a grease and oil change

2021-09-10T09:33:05+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


We will soon see Mooty

2021-09-10T09:11:35+00:00

Mooty

Roar Rookie


Peter when are you going to realise that Scott can’t develop young players, Geelong have to buy established good players each year in a desperate effort to win a flag. Their current team is that old it looks like Dad’s Army. I would hate to see what a rested Melbourne team could do to them in the last quarter. It’s time for Scott to go and Geelong to have a whole new approach.

2021-09-10T06:46:26+00:00

Cloak

Roar Rookie


I think it's his 10th finals visit, isn't it? Every year from 2011-2021 inclusive, except 2015?

2021-09-10T05:48:10+00:00

Jake Ramzy


A cat has 9 lives, and this will be Chris Scott's 9th visit to the finals as Cats coach. This is a very good omen, as I feel he has another premiership in him, one which validates his coaching credentials

2021-09-10T04:08:56+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I agree luck plays a part in winning close games and therefore determining people's reputation, but you create your own luck too. All the examples you mention, ultimately the winning side was the victor and put themselves in a strong winning position by their brilliant skill, sustained pressure, repeated opportunities created and overall great play. And coaches influence that too (e.g. Clarko's "we have to better for longer" mantra).

2021-09-10T04:01:35+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Good article Dem. Maybe Hardwick has changed expectations upon long term coaches. At the end of 2016, many people questioned why he was still employed. He had taken the Tigers to multiple finals series and failed each time, thn dropped out all together in 2016. Then he went and won 3 flags in 4 years. So maybe Port supporters are more tolerant and patient with Hinkley, in the hope he can do what Hardwick did. I do think a coach's reputation needs to consider the list they've had. Hinkley has a great list now, as do Goodwin, Chris Scott and Beveridge. So too does Cameron and Fagan. So Hinkley needs to convert this list into a flag to warrant enduring praise. But Brad Scott never really had a good list and therefore I'd argue he did really well to get North as far as he did in his tenure.

2021-09-10T02:08:56+00:00

Rich_daddy

Roar Guru


Rodney Eade is another that could fit into the Brad Scott mould. Taking the Swans to a GF and several finals campaigns and three consecutive prelims with the Bulldogs. Similar to Scott, Eade's chargers were underdogs (no pun intended!) in all three of their losses so perhaps does make the losses perhaps a little easier to stomach. I think it is much worse when lose a match when you are expected to win or get completely smashed in a big match. They can be tough to recover from.

2021-09-10T01:30:28+00:00

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Guest


If Collingwood had kicked straight in the first grand final in 2010, St Kilda would have been comprehensively beaten. And if St Kilda could have kicked straight in 2009, then they would have won the final. Citing an errant bounce or a lucky toe poke washes over the fact that Lyon doesn't have the game plan or the chops to deliver a flag. Lyon teams made 4 grand finals and 68 points the best score his teams scored. That - as we've seen - simply isn't good enough to win grand finals. High intensity, low scoring worked once and once only in 2005. It's been thoroughly dismantled since.

2021-09-10T00:32:03+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Peter you really love pumping up Geelong’s tyres, did you grow up in ‘the land of the tongue’ ?

2021-09-10T00:23:24+00:00

pablocruz

Roar Rookie


Actually I'll be watching Melbourne Storm and tune in to the Dees for the 2nd half. Can't stand watching an entire Geelong game, rival Freo as the most boring team to watch. What about your boys? Keath is a huge loss!

2021-09-10T00:14:34+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Pablo you are really looking forward to tonight’s game, yea it should be fun to watch :stoked:

2021-09-09T23:25:37+00:00

pablocruz

Roar Rookie


The perennial prelim final loser . . . no doubt. Chris Scott would be having nightmares this week. May well have another 'mare' tonight.

2021-09-09T23:23:27+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Look at the Hawks threepeat. Two of their preliminary finals were won under a goal. The super 2007 Cats won the GF by 119 points but barely survived the preliminary final. Good clubs set lists and coaches for flags but there’s a lot outside their control on match day. Weather, injury, umpiring, wonky bounces…the Tigers in the 2018 preliminary had a couple of crook players and Dusty on one leg. You can’t predict that stuff. You can have depth but no one replaces Dusty. That’s why I believe the Cats are a super organisation. Put themselves in deep contention year after year. Buckley and Simpsons legacy rides on that superb Dom Sheed kick. Otherwise Simpson has reached two GF’s without success.

2021-09-09T21:13:45+00:00

The Sports Lover

Roar Rookie


So true. A successful career requires all the stars to be aligned. Hard work and perspiration is not enough.

2021-09-09T20:33:27+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


It’s a game where legacy can be decided by centimetres. Ross Lyon now appears unlikely to ever coach again. He could have been remembered as a back to back premiership coach in 2009-2010 bar a Matty Scarlett toe poke and an errant bounce for Stephen Milne.

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