Dual in the crown: Why Origin players should also be able to represent Kiwis and England

By Danielle Smith / Editor

The Bunker. Captain’s challenges. Six again. Golden point. HIAs.

Rugby league has changed over the years. It has evolved. It’s moved with the times to do its best to keep us entertained.

With many spruiking that the pinnacle of our beloved sport is State of Origin, but is it time to make yet another amendment to the playbook in another contentious area and let dual-eligible New Zealand and English players in on the fun?

Those from Tier 2 nations like Samoa, Tonga PNG and Fiji, have been allowed to play Origin under the current system. In doing so, it has allowed those nations to grow and gain experience, as well as create national superstars to help encourage younger players to represent their heritage while still being able to play Origin.

And that is all fine.

The winds of change have arrived once more, with questions surrounding whether Samoa will be classified as a Tier 1 nation after being one step away from toppling the Kangaroos in a World Cup final. Regardless of the result, this won’t happen anytime soon.

For those that don’t quite understand how the tiering works, it doesn’t just come down to how well your men’s team played in one tournament, it comes down to many things including funding.

But, while everyone still crowds around and voices their concerns that if they do become Tier 1 (they won’t) then some of those Polynesian stars won’t be able to play Origin again, the question remains – “what would happen if we just let everyone play?”

Like that little girl in the Old El Paso ad says, “why not have both?”

And don’t start with the “it’s State of Origin – meaning the state where you came from”, otherwise be prepared for arguments about Peter Sterling being born in Toowoomba, Greg Inglis being born in Kempsey, and James Tamou being born in New Zealand. I have Denis Carnahan’s number and I am not afraid to use it.

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Surely we can all agree that State of Origin isn’t quite the same as it used to be. Not that it isn’t amazing – I’m like a kid at Christmas counting down the sleeps until kick-off. But the dynamics of our great game have changed so much, is it really still a problem which national jersey a player pulls on when being selected for a state one?

NSW coach Brad Fittler believes a player like Victor Radley, who was born in NSW and grew up in the state, should be allowed to play for the Blues and then represent England to honour his father, as he’s done at the World Cup.

But under current rules, he had to choose one or the other.

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Maroons star Valentine Holmes is another example – he has a New Zealand father so if he wanted to play for the Kiwis while also remaining with Queensland at Origin level, he could, if Fittler gets his way.

Earlier this year, NRL legend Cameron Smith said on his SEN 1170 radio show The Captain’s Run that the game needed ‘a black and white rule where everybody is clear who is eligible for who.’

“If you want to play State of Origin and represent Queensland or NSW which is a state of Australia, then you have to be available for the Kangaroos,” said Smith.

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“We are going to find ourselves in more of these situations (with) so many more cultures being involved in our game.

“I’m just thinking long term that if the floodgates open…there is a really strong possibility that you will see maybe half of the players playing in Origin eligible to play for the Kangaroos.”

But does that really still matter? How many people still see State of Origin as an audition for an Australian jersey? The old City vs Country match was always viewed as the tryouts for Origin, and our three-game spectacle doesn’t seem to have missed a beat since that concept was thrown in the bin.

And what is so wrong with the Kangaroos not dominating the world rankings, and NRL fans getting to see the best players run out in Blue or Maroon?

Former Queensland great Brent Tate disagrees.

“If you’re able to play well during an Origin and then you have a good back end of the season, I think it does hold you in good stead to then play for the Kangaroos,” Tate, who played 23 Origins for the Maroons, told The Roar.

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“I wouldn’t say it’s an out-and-out trial for the Australian team, but I think it’s certainly something that’s remembered by the selectors when it comes time to pick the team, that’s for sure.”

Tate, who also wore the green and gold 25 times, believes that if more nations become eligible to play Origin, the more it will diminish the meaning of it.

“It would 100 percent detract, and I’m sure if you ask NSW players, they will say the same about their jerseys,” said Tate

“Origin is built on pride and passion, and actually having a connection to the jersey. I think it definitely would pull away from it.

“I know when playing for Queensland, when you get to pull that jersey on, you feel something. If you don’t feel something well, then I don’t think you’ll ever be in the jersey for long.”

Benji Marshall. (Photo by Kai Schwoerer/Getty Images)

While many will agree with Tate and the allegiance to the state jersey, there is an abundance of footy talent who once pulled on an Australian jersey and were then denied a chance to play Origin. Jason Taumalolo, Benji Marshall, Kieran Foran, Tony Puletua, Nathan Cayless and Martin Taupau all represented the Australian Schoolboys side early on in their careers but became ineligible to play for their state after picking their heritage over their adopted homelands.

Anyone of those guys in the Origin arena would have been spectacular.

Parramatta Eels star and Jillaroos forward Kennedy Cherrington has both an Australian and Maori background but elected to wear the green and gold at the Rugby League World Cup. That didn’t stop her from showing emotion and singing both anthems when the Aussies faced off against the Kiwi Fens last week – because she feels she belongs to both. And that’s how it should be.

Tate believes the problem lies in the lack of international games.

“They just need to fix the international schedule up – if they can actually put things in place where these nations are playing a lot more then I think it takes away this argument,” said Tate.

“The international schedule needs to be looked at, I think people want more of it. Especially the developing nations like Samoa, the rise of those guys, I think they deserve to play more footy. And I don’t think you’d ever get any complaints from anyone pulling on the green and gold jersey either more often because it’s an honour to do that.

“So I think if they fix up the international schedule and find some more space to play those games a lot more then this (the Origin debate) doesn’t get raised as much.”

While what he is saying isn’t wrong, it doesn’t remove the issue of making more players eligible for Origin. They should be able to hold pride in their club jersey, show emotion in a state jersey, and then go on to wear a national jersey that isn’t green and gold.

It just doesn’t make sense why we can’t have our cake and eat it too. Here in Australia, we are blessed to have the best rugby league players in the world running around in our competition. And at the end of the day, if someone isn’t allowed to play Origin, what do we lose? Nothing. There will always be another to fill the spot.

But what would the game as a whole gain if we let them play? Everything. 

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-21T20:12:30+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


I don't want more international games, but I completely agree that ENG and NZ players should be in Origin squads. Anyone who talks up internationals as a problem for Origin selection is still living in the 20th Century.

2022-11-21T11:21:48+00:00

Cameron Porter

Roar Rookie


The Tongan and Samoan fan bases are as passionate about their teams as QLD or NSW supporters are. So maybe they need to overhaul the rep season. Shut down the club season over June, play all both mens and womens Origin matches three weeks in a row, have Tonga vs Samoa best of three and then have NZ play England either in NZ or England on alternating years. Then that would allow for a bye week the week after Origin for clubs to assess the damage and bring players in either on loan, or re adjust their squads to promote a rookie in place of a long term injury.

2022-11-20T10:06:48+00:00

Rosie

Roar Rookie


What do you mean? League is what it is, 16 nations and many more played or would love to play in a World Cup. I don’t think league is pretending to be anything other than growing the game internationally.

2022-11-20T06:46:19+00:00

King in the north

Roar Rookie


I have mixed feelings about this question. On the one hand I want SOO to keep as close to its original conception as the best against the best. On the other hand, the geographical origin of player ranks has changed a lot in the past 40 years therefore some of the best players in the comp are ineligible for Origin. That is compounded by players choosing to play for other countries to honour their family backgrounds. Yet I wouldn’t support loosening Origin requirements any more than they are because that would weaken the tribalism which is at the core of Origin’s DNA. What we would end up with is the best against the best but as franchises. Do we want to watch the equivalent of the Rajistan Royals vs the Delhi Super Kings in State of Origin? I don’t think so. So keep the tribalism whatever you do. In fact, make the eligibility even tighter so that people will want their kids playing league in Qld or NSW in the hope they’ll be eligible for Origin one day.

2022-11-20T01:32:15+00:00

Choppy Zezers

Roar Rookie


The percentage of NRL players eligible to play for pacific nations growing. And they can't all play origin. So the pacific island nations will continue to strengthen and eventually transition to tier 1 nations. Like you said it'll take time but itll get there

2022-11-19T22:42:52+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


State of Origin is one the last real rep games

2022-11-19T18:57:56+00:00

Yesterday's Hero

Roar Rookie


E.g. The Final is shown at 3am when it was always going to be either Aust or NZ. Oh the audacity of a nation, that has just hosted a successful tournament that doesn't align with prime time viewing habits of the east coat of Australia.

2022-11-19T14:17:42+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


I had issues with previous management getting my articles published. Not sure what their definition of an "expert" is

2022-11-19T13:02:04+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


My point being, this is all very much a Qld-centric push to rid Origin of Luai and To'o. Yet they continue to include in their own team with players who were not even born in the country., and who also choose to play for a heritage country.

2022-11-19T10:51:15+00:00

Cam

Roar Rookie


It seems mostly personal preference, many people raising differing valid arguments, but I fall in the old-school category. There is no going back, but I remember when Origin selection was very simple, those players who started their careers in the BRL played for Qld and those who started in the NSWRL played for NSW. The Kangaroos were selected the day after SOO3 and they would play a Kiwi side that were full of players you wouldn't recognise because most of them played in New Zealand. I think they tried and failed to play matches will all NRL players eligible, (the All Stars). It just didn't mean much to the players or the fans, at least until they made it culturally relevant with indigenous v Maori.

2022-11-19T09:08:56+00:00

Tony H

Roar Pro


They shouldn't. The end.

2022-11-19T07:43:02+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Brett Allen, This is pure baloney. This year I play for Samoa, next year year I play for Oz. Every year I play for NSW. Seriously? International rugby league is a new religion. Quick, I'm becoming a pastor. My mother was a virgin who gave birth to me conceived by a holy ghost. True story. Send money to Sheek, because I'll save you. Just more baloney, but it's amazing how you suck people in for religion.

2022-11-19T07:39:01+00:00

Dave

Guest


You’ve pretty much answered the question there Ben by your last statement “lest it end up meaning nothing” Open the flood gates and half the people won’t care for it anymore Keep the status quo or tighten up eligibility, no ones going to bat an eyelid, they’ll keep watching

2022-11-19T07:38:10+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


EagleJack, This T1 & T2 league stuff is nonsense. There's only 3 tier 1 countries, & lots of pretend tier 2 countries. The rules need to be stricter, irrespective of T1 or T2. Surely I'm not the only one to see this is a disingenuous way to partition & destroy the Kangaroos. All for the sake of pretending league is bigger than it really is.

2022-11-19T07:32:13+00:00

Dave

Guest


Well that’s in the past so you know, kinda hard to change those ones….weird comment But I’d happily forgo players of equal quality to those guys to keep the integrity of origin in the future. Literally do not care :laughing:

2022-11-19T07:06:21+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


What does morality or ethics have to do with this subject ?

2022-11-19T06:49:28+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


I am actually proud that only a couple of Qld guys chose to represent other nations and rejecting Aus. That is the passion of the state coming through and why Origin is the way it is here. Tino and others chose because they feel like they come from here and want to represent us. Yes we will have to disagree but to me, in your heart of hearts only one place gets top billing and that is who you should play for. They and only they will get the full passioned version. I have followed Roma in Serie A for decades but I will never dream of saying I would play with one tenth of the passion of a Roman would. And I know that is not a similar situation but to me that is the same line of thinking. I feel for that place and Qld but I am only from Qld

2022-11-19T06:29:03+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


We will have to agree to disagree on that. In our modern world I think you can represent more than one place. Around 50% of our population have at least one parent born overseas.

2022-11-19T06:21:20+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


I am saying yo can only represent one place. You either say you come from Qld or you come from Tonga. You can't come from both. You might have strong connections and feelings for the other but you only come from one place. Qld is for Qlders, those raised here and learned their footy here. I would rather see less players eligible than more, give more international games with the same financial rewards and let those who want to play for Tonga play for Tonga. They won't miss out financially and get to play for who they wan too. People talk about the importance and desire to make International football the peak of the game, then do it.

2022-11-19T06:15:26+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


I sort of think you are not getting what Danielle is saying? The player would still have to meet Origin eligibility re first footy or in the state before 13. Are you saying someone like that has no connection with QLD?

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