Six talking points from AFL Round 16

By Liam Salter / Roar Guru

Here’s a half dozen some talking points for a crazy – but brilliant – round of footy.

The best win in the Suns history? Yeah, probably – if people care enough to talk about it

There’s two approaches one can take out of Thursday night’s clash at Marvel Stadium – the first is, without a doubt, the fact that Richmond have gone from bad (last weekend’s loss to St Kilda) to much, much worse (Thursday’s pathetic effort against the Suns).

There’s obviously going to be plenty of words written about the Tigers this week – not many of them positive, most written with glee – but perhaps an underrated story are the Suns.

It goes without saying that the Suns have had a tumultuous history. Besides a decent 2014 season, they have seemingly struggled to remain relevant beyond the lame criticism of their very existence.

And, owing to that rough recent history, there isn’t many wins one can pinpoint as particularly memorable.

Certainly, the last win I recall out of the Suns camp that is truly special was their 2018 win against the Swans in Sydney: having never won in the city, holding an 11-game losing streak and at 3-13, were at opposite ends of the ladder to the then 11-5 Swans, they stunned the Swans.

Other wins in recent year would earn brief acclaim – a win last year against the Eagles, surprise wins over the Dockers and the Hawks along the way – but the overwhelming response to these wins were criticism of the other team.

It’s a frustrating trend; the Suns get the win and receive a shrug. A team loses to the Suns and it gets treated as a disaster – which in and of itself says a lot of what the AFL community believes about the Suns.

I’m not saying that Richmond shouldn’t be criticised for that loss, because they deservedly should be. I’m suggesting that the Suns mustn’t be forced to become the back page story on a night they dominated the reigning premiers.

The result is likely going to have more ramifications for the losers than the winners, but it’s plainly ignorant to forget just how impressive a win it was.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

The Dockers absolutely, positively blow a chance at the eight
Legitimately everything had been going right for the Dockers. They’d won two games in a row. Richmond had capitulated on Thursday night. Essendon – one of two teams closely matched with the Dockers – had lost on Friday night.

Nat Fyfe was returning to the team. GWS – like the Bombers, a competitor for a finals space – had won the night before, but the Dockers simply had to win to leapfrog the Giants and finish the round in the eight. They not only failed to do so, but they also fell back into some frustratingly common patterns.

The Dockers’ inaccuracy – a poor 6.14 – came a week after they looked more cohesive up forward against the Pies and ruined an attempt to come further into the game.

You can somewhat forgive inexperienced forwards like Liam Henry for screwing up shots – and, generously, you can give a smidgen of leniency to missing difficult kicks on the run – but it becomes inexcusable when experienced heads like Michael Walters are contributing to the scoreboard crisis.

There’s also Freo’s tendency to start horribly. It’s far from the first time this season the Dockers have been stunned in the beginning of clashes – the Port clash being the most memorable example – and a rubbish 0.4 on the scoreboard by the first break.

The Dockers had such an unadulterated chance at jumping into the eight but falling back into some old trends meant their narrow path back into finals just got significantly harder. Next week’s game against the Hawks and Round 23’s against the Saints have become must-wins.

Perhaps the only good news for Freo this weekend was the fact that there may be a second potential spot in the eight up for grabs, because their closest rivals fluffed it to a greater extent.

The Blues and Saints – tenuously – add their name to the “wildcard” finalists list
So, so much of the attention this week focused upon Freo, Essendon and the Giants, who have been labelled as the three top-eight “heir-apparents”, prey awaiting the collapse of the Tigers. Not regularly in that discussion are the Blues or the Saints.

For the former, a disappointing beginning to the season dissipated any optimism that the side would finally prove themselves worthy to make finals. For the latter, it goes without saying why they’ve long been ruled out. The two sides have had a simultaneous response: don’t forget about us.

The Blues managed to jump into the crowded pack of teams duelling it out to make finals, closing the gap on the team they just beat, and the team is being hunted. They also equalled Essendon – a youthful side who’d garnered acclaim recently.

The Blues advantageously have a remaining fixture that sees them avoid any top eight sides – baring Geelong and Port – and with the team finally showcasing the type of footy everybody’s expected them to produce for a while now. Internal review be damned, you simply have to include them as wildcard in every sense of the word.

The Saints, meanwhile, emphasised the point of why you shouldn’t editorialise a subheading title before a game finishes. Win they did, but their final quarter was awful, and they’re lucky the Pies were worse for three times as long as they were. Still though – they’re in the mix.

The Eagles are allergic to Geelong
Rinse and repeat. It wasn’t too long ago that the Eagles travelled to Geelong and got pummelled by 97 points. It was at that April afternoon’s subsequent presser where Adam Simpson labelled his side’s performance as “embarrassing”. Yesterday, the Eagles returned to GMBHA Stadium, and promptly got pummelled by 92 points.

Embarrassing might be an understatement now.

The Eagles’ travel woes have now become a blaring five-alarm fire. Their only two wins away from home – a win over Hawks at the MCG, which may have been memorable in 2014 but not now, and a win over the Blues in New South Wales – matter for naught.

(Photo by Matt Roberts/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)

Sunday’s loss leaves them three games adrift from fifth place Geelong –essentially destroying their chances at top four – and just one win above the riskily placed Richmond. I’m not suggesting the Eagles are going to fall into the eight – I’d probably bet against it – but you’re kidding yourself if you suggest they are reputable premiership contenders.

Melbourne lose top spot, but they’ll be fine
I’ve mentioned, ad nauseum, the classic – but probably irritating – line that the Demons would fall back to their typical nature: dropping the games they really shouldn’t. They did that in Round 10, against the Crows. And they replicated that in Round 13, honourably providing Nathan Buckley a final win.

And now they’ve done it a third time, with the Giants successfully managing to sneak a win over the Demons. Saturday’s defeat was a more consequential loss than their prior two, as the Bulldogs’ win a day later meant the Dees have slipped down into second place and have lost their ascendency over the competition.

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That’s frustrating, but I’m not sure it is cause for any concern – at least not the type of concern at least one footy media outlet has prophesied, suggesting the Dees could drop out of the top four. The Demons did plenty right during their loss, but credit simply must go to Leon Cameron’s side, who saw an opportunity to jump into the eight and grasped it. Superb win … that’s likely to concurrently inspire the Demons.

And just quickly: three premiership contenders simply do what they needed to do
Given my horrendously busy weekend, I could only watch smidgens of the games this week. And one of those games was Sunday twilight’s clash between the Doggies and North.

It went much like two other games this week: Brisbane taking on Adelaide, Port defeating the Hawks. The three victors in that trio of clashes are all premiership contenders with varying vulnerabilities, and all three losers had moments of looking better than the results indicated.

Still – wins are wins, and none of the three victors would complain about them being a bit less polished then they wanted.

Everybody gets a turn
Adelaide Crows – Tex remains second in the Coleman, so losing him to a neck injury will be a massive blow for the 5-10 Crows.

Brisbane Lions – Top two realistically within grasp, and if it’s possible for me to choose a team to bandwagon this far out from finals, it’ll be the Lions.

Carlton Blues – Harry McKay with three majors in the Blues’ win on Saturday night, and he continues to lead the Coleman. That surprises me for some reason.

Collingwood – Neither are in good form, but I’d bet money on the AFL putting the Pies’ clash with the Tigers on Friday night. Just seems like it’ll happen.

Essendon Bombers – Great opportunity for the Bombers to gain some ground in the finals race coming up: winnable games against the Crows and North, before a consequential battle with the Giants.

Fremantle Dockers – The Dockers have done brilliantly in re-signing many of their most important players (Sean Darcy, Josh Treacy two of the most momentous) in the past few weeks, but Adam Cerra remaining signature-less looms large.

Geelong Cats – Jeremy Cameron going from agony to ecstasy – booting three goals before headed off with a hamstring injury.

(Photo by Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

Gold Coast Suns – An enthralling battle on the ladder I’m watching for some odd reason: can the Suns finish above the Pies on the ladder for the first ever time when all is said and done by the end of the season?

GWS Giants – Leon Cameron gets way more criticism than praise, but if he pulls of a finals berth this year, he might just get a stay of execution.

Hawthorn Hawks – Shaun Burgoyne. That’s it. That’s the comment.

Melbourne – Next week’s game becomes the hugely important for both Port and Melbourne. Regardless of result, it should be a freaking beauty.

North Melbourne – Remaining better than their form shows, and will be determined to upset the Eagles next weekend.

Port Adelaide – Melbourne next week, in Adelaide. A super promising game at the best of the countries’ footy stadiums.

Richmond – Loss aside, news that Bachar Houli will be facing ankle surgery and his season (or career) may be in jeopardy unequivocally sucks.

St Kilda – Jack Steele remains a criminally underrated footballer.

Sydney Swans – If there was ever a time for a 97-point win, this was it. The Swans recovered strongly from a pair of frustratingly poor losses – and probably secured finals with it.

West Coast Eagles – The Eagles are in a deep, deep whole. Should bounce back against North next weekend. Should.

Western Bulldogs – Aaron Naughton’s concussion a crappy dampener on the win that shot the Doggies to the top of the ladder.

The Crowd Says:

2021-07-06T01:37:27+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


"Freo dominated most significant stats…apart from goals." Which stats?

2021-07-05T13:18:57+00:00

Diesel-747

Roar Rookie


In short?

2021-07-05T12:12:40+00:00

Chris

Guest


Collingwood might be in contention for the wooden spoon if these performances continue. Now, this does suggest to me that Nathan Buckley saw this coming. Timely resignation that has kept his reputation in tact so that he can apply for another coaching position. Poor Harvey has been thrown into the Lion's Den and there's no escape route in sight.

2021-07-05T11:27:41+00:00

Klompy

Guest


What a Pathetic performance by my team WCE. They had a chance to make a statement on the Weekend and make a charge to the finals. The Only thing we got was a very poor performance. It was very disappointing from all. As member I felt let down by the Team. Lets get to see the real Eagles next week. even it only against North Melbourne.

2021-07-05T10:41:24+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Im not obsessed with under 23 but that is your future, if you don’t nurture that and lose half you current best 22 in 2 or 3 years it is incredibly hard to replace that with mature recruits, especially if the industry stops looking at you like a destination club. On Constable, yes he is probably Selwood heir apparent but he isn’t going to hang around forever, other clubs will be talking to him, if he moves on (or Clark or someone else you have been developing) because they aren’t getting the chances then that makes a bigger hole. Just like I can’t assume the well will run dry (although the odds are you won’t get another Dangerfield or Cameron) you can’t assume it will keep flowing.

2021-07-05T10:31:43+00:00

PeteB

Roar Rookie


Cerra is 21 years and 8 months old. A long way off his peak.

2021-07-05T10:20:42+00:00

Alchemist

Roar Rookie


Yet here you are very alone in your thinking that fyfe is top 5 of all time.

2021-07-05T10:16:46+00:00

Maurice

Guest


I did enjoy the VFL Teams getting "drop kicked" off the top spot and the other out of the top 8. By some better interstate teams!! Chanon

2021-07-05T10:15:44+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


"still a flag contender" mate they're barely a contender for the 8, if you lose a game kicking 8.16 you don't really deserve to be in the finals conversation, and even if they do make it, they'll just be making up the numbers this year.

2021-07-05T10:14:32+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Darcy, Serong, Brayshaw, Treacy and others have all extended there offers straight away. Cerra the only one waiting till the end of year points that he is returning.

2021-07-05T10:14:12+00:00

dab

Roar Rookie


Aye. If they go without Weideman, Brown and vandenBerg, they will be thrashed. Against the Port midfield at home they will need to make the most of forward 50 entries. vanders is there to add some muscle to the midfield.

2021-07-05T10:01:49+00:00

.kraM

Roar Rookie


They didn’t need to beat Sydney? Interesting.

2021-07-05T10:01:10+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


nope,Adelaide beat the cats with the pressure they put on them that day,gang tackling and chasing down opponents with manic pressure.not even a crows fan

2021-07-05T09:45:50+00:00

Dangersphere 10

Roar Rookie


I can't help it :laughing: He does, he's great in a marking contest I agree. But was offering next to nothing else around the ground, and was being beaten all ends up in the ruck, particularly in the middle. We were winning which was papering over the cracks, but last week in Brisbane it finally came under the spotlight, hence why he was dropped. Should be back in this week given Camerons injury, so lets just wait and see.

2021-07-05T09:44:04+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Cerra has been offered big money by Freo 750 from all accounts. I think he wants to go home and he recently indicated he misses family. I reckon he will go home for less. Who to is anybody’s guess probably best offer maybe.

2021-07-05T09:37:27+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Maybe in future for De K. The Rat is a terrible shot.

2021-07-05T09:34:35+00:00

Windrince

Roar Rookie


Nah De koning looks better than Esava for mine, although I would try Ratugolea down back – then he won’t have to kick on goal

2021-07-05T09:34:26+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


@DTM Essendon makes sense, he would complete their midfield nicely But Geelong have more midfield depth than they know what to do with, why pay overs for a kid when you've got Charlie Contsable and Jordan Clark waiting for game time, and they wouldn't pay him what he wants. Essendon or Carlton might.

2021-07-05T09:33:42+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Geelong region and falcons in particular still produce more players than anywhere else. Always going to be some who want to come home. Will they be superstars or role players? Players in their prime or aging? Who knows but you cannot make assumptions that the well will just run dry. You’re so obsessed with that ‘stars under 23’ line. How many do Carlton have? How’s that worked for the blues? Building a list isn’t about birth years. List building is about identifying needs and filling them. Whether short term or long term. Geelong does this as good as any, if not better. The Cats never just go out and get big names for the sake of making trade week splashes. Geelong identifies players that actually fit needs. We didn’t go get Cameron cause he was a name. We were into him for the past several years because Hawkins is getting older and we’ll need a key forward. Enter Cameron. People complain why hasn’t Constable gotten more of a chance. I suspect it is because he is Selwood’s heir apparent. Very similar inside accumulators. Don’t need another at AFL level right now. Geelong may not play a lot of 18/19 year olds but when players do get a chance they are actually ready to play. They’ve earned their spot instead of being gifted games because of some draft number. Earning games I stills work ethic and a drive to succeed. Something your side struggles with.

2021-07-05T09:30:07+00:00

sven

Roar Rookie


so which club is he going to then JB (mundy) ?

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