Was there really a 'full house’ at the AFL grand final?

By Joseph Friedman / Roar Rookie

Amid the drama of one of the greatest grand finals in VFL/AFL history, one hardly-believable statistic stands out.

According to the MCG, there were 100,024 spectators who witnessed Collingwood’s triumph – precisely the same number as last year’s decider between Geelong and Sydney.

While at first glance the identical figures appear an impossible coincidence, it becomes more plausible with context. According to the MCG, 100,024 (consisting of approximately 95,000 seats and 5,000 standing room spaces) has been the official maximum capacity of the MCG since the stadium’s redevelopment for the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

In other words, the past two grand finals have both seen a full house.

The grand final is always a sell-out, but inevitably – at least in the past – some ticketholders stay home. There were 14 grand finals played at the MCG between 2006 and 2021. While many of those games fell just shy of maximum capacity, none were full. According to the MCG, that changed in the past two years.

This means that in the past two AFL GFs, unlike all previous ones, every single person with a ticket scanned through the turnstiles, or, if they were unable to attend, found someone else to take their spot.

It’s certainly possible. The grand final has been an especially desirable ticket over the past two years. Last year’s game was the first in Victoria since the lockdowns, and this year’s contest included the biggest club in the land. Both were played in perfect conditions and in the days leading up to the games, thousands of tickets moved hands from those unable to attend (or keen to make a buck) to desperate fans who had missed out.

Yet, some remain sceptical that everybody showed up.

Col Hutchinson was the AFL’s official historian and chief statistician for much of the 1990s and 2000s. “I would find it hard to believe that every purchased ticket is actually used on the day,” he told me last year.

For it to be true, not a single person could have fallen ill at the last minute and been unable to attend or find someone to take their seat. It would mean not a single corporate ticketholder elected to stay home.

Darcy Moore celebrates Collingwood’s 2023 premiership win. (Photo by Darrian Traynor/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)

It would also mean that the MCG’s attendance record is unique among large stadiums worldwide.

Since the redevelopment of London’s Wembley Stadium, the official capacity has been precisely 90,000 seats. According to the stadium, its record attendance for a soccer match in that period is 89,874 – 26 shy of capacity. Barcelona’s Camp Nou has a current seating capacity of 99,354, but at least 200 of those seats have always been empty, including for cup finals and ‘El Classico’ matches between Barcelona and Real Madrid. The story is the same across other major stadiums.

Having spoken to several people who attended this year’s granny, I am aware of two seats next to each other that were empty throughout, and one person who had a reserved seat but didn’t attend. It is possible (though unlikely) that some fans chose to stay in the dining facilities throughout the game, but it is hard to explain how the crowd reached capacity when at least one ticket went unused.

The MCG’s declaration of ‘100% capacity’ in the past two grand finals becomes even less plausible when considering the situation in the Members’ Reserve.

Keen to maintain traditions, the MCC makes available approximately 8,500 GF tickets for unreserved seating and standing-room spaces. This means that MCC full members can walk up to Gate 2 and enter the ground by simply scanning in their membership card on the day. If the crowd had indeed reached capacity in the 2022 and 2023 grand finals, then so too would the Members’ Reserve. Any full member trying to access unreserved seating would have been unable to do so, and the MCC would have publicly announced a lockout.

Yet nothing of the sort occurred. The last MCC lockout was the 2007 preliminary final between Geelong and Collingwood – an event that caused chaos. According to the MCC Library Manager David Studham, the last MCC lockout for an AFL Grand Final was the 1997 clash between Adelaide and St Kilda. Other reporting suggests it may have been in 2000. Either way, there has never been an MCC lockout for an AFL grand final in the 21st century.

At 12.56pm on Saturday, the MCC tweeted: “All unreserved seating in the Members’ Reserve has now been filled. Only standing room remains for unreserved access.”

At 1.30pm, the MCC tweeted that standing-room access was still available. It did not tweet again.

At the end of Collingwood’s premiership ceremony, I spoke with an MCC steward who was manning the turnstiles. He confirmed that the Members’ Reserve had not reached capacity. He said that 60-70 more people could still have scanned in their memberships to access standing-room spaces before the MCC would have announced a lockout.

In other words, contrary to the MCG’s announcement, it was not a full house.

Until the MCC abandons its practice of offering thousands of unreserved spaces on the day, even if they decide to offer limited tickets to restricted members in an effort to reach capacity, it is highly unlikely that the ground will ever be completely full.

Why then did the MCG tell us that the 2022 and 2023 AFL grand finals were both attended by 100,024 fans which they declared to be ‘100% capacity’?

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Did the MCG – and, perhaps by extension, the AFL – promote a crowd figure that was bigger than the actual number of attendees? Has the MCG incorrectly calculated the ground’s maximum capacity, with the true figure higher than 100,024? If so, do the numbers simply stop when they reach what is believed to be capacity?

In a statement, the MCC said:

“The Melbourne Cricket Club, manager of the MCG, can confirm the capacity of the venue was reached on AFL Grand Final Days in 2022 and 2023.

“While a limited number of seats within the MCG’s seating bowl may appear vacant during an event, many patrons can be found enjoying the atmosphere in one of the venue’s many restaurants, dining facilities or bars.”

The MCC did not respond to questions about the statement from one of their stewards that there were 60-70 vacant standing-room spaces in the Members’ reserve. They did not address how the crowd reached capacity when the Members’ reserve was still accepting full members.

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Without any clarity, questions about the AFL’s crowd numbers will persist.

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-12T04:46:21+00:00

Ed Flanders

Roar Rookie


Different though. 7 hours v 2.5

2023-10-12T04:12:27+00:00

Curmudgeon1961

Roar Rookie


Fair enough. Definitely they could have been at the bars seems a waste though. Adelaide Oval Tests have heaps out the back in the tents

2023-10-11T02:44:59+00:00

Ed Flanders

Roar Rookie


I agree Richie. I think posting 100,024 is actually a silent acknowledgment they went over capacity and don't want to legally admit it.

2023-10-11T02:41:35+00:00

Ed Flanders

Roar Rookie


They aren't "clearly lying". It's the opinion of an author who has only provided opinion, and not fact. The author has neglected to mention two possibilities 1. That there are literally dozens of people at the stadium who are not officially classified as ticketholders, but can be added to the attendance figure (as they very much do attend the match): the players, coaching and support staff, camera men, security. These people aren't included in the ticketed patrons, but are included in the people who scanned to enter the ground. 2. The crowd might in fact be larger than 100,024, but reporting a higher crowd could come with significant legal ramifications for over patronising a place of public entertainment. There are capacity limitations. So stating the official figure of 100,024 keeps the officials away.

2023-10-11T02:36:52+00:00

Ed Flanders

Roar Rookie


That means nothing. Often people will got to the stadium and watch in locations away from their seat - particularly if they are right up top. I've done that several times in the members area of the SCG. You don't go to your seat if you are at the top you watch it at the bar on the second deck.

2023-10-10T07:10:56+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


It wouldn't surprise me if either if the last 2 Grand Finals went over capacity. It might be a bit embarrassing for some if we found out a few more were squeezed into the MCC than officially allowed and people would ask why not in other parts if the ground. In 2017 they said all MCC members who walked up got in and the ground was 3 short if capacity. It is amazing how consistent the number of walk ups has (supposedly) been in the past few years.

2023-10-09T10:58:50+00:00

Vossy

Roar Rookie


More importantly, if they are lying to us about this (relatively trivial) matter, what else are they lying to us about?

2023-10-08T12:00:52+00:00

Sam Branigan

Roar Rookie


As a bit of an Olympics nuff, I had to go and see Montjuic when I was in Barcelona in 2009. Incredible spot for a stadium, and also pretty amazing that it's basically unchanged from 1992 even though it's barely been used since!

2023-10-07T09:13:21+00:00

GWSingapore

Roar Rookie


For Grand Finals the MCC Members is usually restricted to Full Members. This year at 11 am the MCC advised by SMS that Restricted Members could also purchase tickets from Ticketek and enter the Members' Reserve after 1 pm. Given that rarity it would reasonable to assume that the Members' Reserve was at full capacity.

2023-10-07T03:22:40+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


It might seem petty and pedantic, but the issue is important in that the AFL are clearly lying about the crowd figure. The question is why though??

2023-10-07T02:07:35+00:00

Blake Standfield

Roar Guru


Surprisingly very good, interesting article. Even if it’s a shame to give the bitter, Vic bias brigade another topic to whine about.

2023-10-07T00:02:01+00:00

Valentino

Roar Rookie


Definitely: Can't have GF crowd numbers stagnating, can they - so get it up over 100k or people will be taking a more critical look at the performance of AFL executives. FFS all the AFL have to point out is that holding the line is a very good result given cost of living pressures etc. - e.g. the cancellation of the Com. Games. Having said that, cheap shots from the media - I'm looking at you, Mick Molloy - invite media spin in return.

2023-10-06T16:32:30+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


This is a good article, you've convinced me. Whether people think it's important or not, institutional bs is institutional bs no matter how high or low it ranks in importance.

2023-10-06T09:45:48+00:00

Blink

Roar Rookie


Lets face it! There are more important things in life eg a beer. Who cares?

2023-10-06T06:13:08+00:00

The Llama

Roar Rookie


is the key concern here that the grand final attendance should have been something closer to 99,984 than the reported 100,024? Sounds like an issue that is worthy of a lengthy article.

2023-10-06T04:35:19+00:00

AshleyH

Roar Rookie


I won’t comment on the AFL when it comes to facts and figures. But for the record Barcelona’s Camp Nou is undergoing a massive rebuild which will see capacity increase from 99,354 to 105,000. Renovations won’t be completed until 2026 and the club is playing its home matches at the Olympic Stadium which hosted the 1992 Games. Capacity is almost half that of Camp Nou.

2023-10-06T04:05:24+00:00

Gyfox

Roar Rookie


The AFL Grand Final is not unique in having a full stadium for 2 years in a row. That honour belongs to the FIFA WWC at Sydney’s Olympic Stadium. For the 3 games there the attendance was exactly 75,784. Amazing coincidence…..no doubt fueled by the hubris of Sydney & Soccer to triumph over Melbourne!

2023-10-06T03:43:17+00:00

Curmudgeon1961

Roar Rookie


Nope. You could see the empty seats up the top. It's a long walk to the bar

2023-10-06T02:26:34+00:00

Wolzal

Roar Rookie


I mean, I’m not surprised. It’s the AFL, not at all unusual for them to present “alternative facts”. Reminds me of the recent AEW show in Wembley, where they announced an attendance of 81,035, making it the highest-paid attendance at a wrestling event ever. One FOI request later and the actual figure was 72,265. So I guess we start calling AFL matches “sports entertainment” now?

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