For the Wallabies, it’s Advance Australia bare
By Benjamin, 2 Sep 2008 The Crowd is a Roar Pro
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That’s it. The bar is dry, the food’s gone, the cupboard is empty. As a young fan enticed by late-1990s Australian rugby, the 1999 World Cup was a professional epiphany, a veritable feast of accurate, modern rugby.
Harry, Blades, Giffin, Eales, Cockbain, Wilson, Kefu, Gregan, Larkham … Super, super stuff.
From there Australia have slowly declined.
They still made the 2003 World Cup final, but instead of being trendsetters as in 1999, they progressed through that tournament driven by sheer desire and perhaps home nation fear. The general conclusion being that they had got to the final against all odds.
That final was a close affair. But the next World Cup was not so generous and Australia were on the decline.
Against that backdrop, Robbie Deans was brought in.
The anointed one apparently, Deans has an excellent coaching record and he is a pleasant, warm man. I certainly wouldn’t question his pedigree.
However, on Saturday he made some bad, bad mistakes that cost Australia dearly. Whether it will affect the Wallabies in Brisbane is another matter, but what the record capitulation also revealed is something that a lot of fans have known for a long time.
There is no depth in Australian rugby.
Connolly set out to improve the front row. He didn’t, but I don’t blame him. Props mature as they age and Holmes and Shepherdson must still be long-term priorities.
He could only work with what he had, the same as Deans: Dunning and Baxter. Let’s be frank – the pair couldn’t scrummage their way out of a pack of crisps.
Nonetheless, the fans of Deans were applauding their new ‘attitude’, a mongrel anger that was previously missing.
On Saturday, this myth was blown out of the water.
Despite a meaty weight advantage, the Australian pack was once again blasted onto the back foot. In this context, it is logical to assume that the only reason Australia managed to win that particular battle against South Africa in recent weeks is because South Africa were non-committal to the ruck.
It appears that the problem therefore is mental, and I can’t see what Deans can do if the players themselves do not want to do what is required.
The front row is still a massive issue. Deans cannot immediately remove Dunning and Baxter because they are experienced and Dunning has utility value.
Improving the front row must be a long term process, but throwing in Kepu with Robinson would be the stuff of nightmares.
Robinson is showing promise but he will not peak until he hits 30.
Vickermann and Elsom are leaving, and suddenly the Australian pack looks softer than a tub of Lurpak.
All Deans can do is maintain the status quo and persevere until a real contender offers themselves. If Holmes, Shepherdson and company truly wish to improve their game, then they should look at moving to a Guinness Premiership club for a season.
Not only does Australia not have a climate that is accommodating to propping, but there are simply not enough games in the Super 14 for players to test themselves. As much as English players would bemoan their long seasons, I am sure that Rowntree, Woodman, White, Payne and others learnt more playing 40 odd club games a season than they would have with thirteen plus provincial starts a season.
Moving TPN to prop would not be an answer and he is another player who must be persevered with… at hooker, and not at flanker and not at prop.
Throwing in is a confidence issue, and until TPN can maintain a regular starting position his bench position should be under review.
He certainly won’t perfect his trade subbing behind Freier.
At least Moore has proved himself this Tri-Nations with rugged loose performances and largely excellent throwing.
The second-row is an improvement.
Horwill and Vickermann provide an excellent combination of grunt and intelligence. The problem lies in Vickermann’s sabbatical.
McMeniman is clearly a good player, but like TPN he must be a regular starter. And he also must decide on a position. What other countries have a flanker cum lock who can dominate international games?
To that extent, he cannot be considered an automatic replacement for Vickermann. The same applies to Mumm. There is no chance of Williams, Thorn, Matfield or Botha having the occasional game at six.
One or the other: five or six.
The departure of Elsom may make that decision for him, but Australia needs a true blue second row. And urgently.
The back row, often a position of Australian strength, is now under threat of becoming maligned. After Saturday it is irrefutable that Smith is the starter and Waugh is the impact sub, unless of course Deans decides to fast track the more physical Pocock onto the bench.
Elsom will be missing this Autumn and Palu has a habit of disappearing. Who is the back up no. 8? Who plays 6? McMeniman, Mumm? But then who plays second row?
Undoubtedly there are potential greats in the Super 14, but it is one thing losing with veterans and another with young, untested players.
The 4 and 6 are the most physical elements of the pack and that loss will hurt Australia badly. Chisholm, Hoiles, or Sharpe will not remedy that.
The back division pick themselves, but as with the second and back row, there is an issue with utility players.
Starting from the back: AAC is not an international fullback. Where does he play?
It is also questionable whether Shepherd is up to the task. Latham would have excelled on the weekend.
The wings pick themselves despite Tuqiri’s sloppy skill set and lack of midfield involvement. Hynes has been perhaps the Australian find of the Tri-Nations, but again he is another young gun.
Mortlock, although receiving criticism post-South Africa, is physically the glue holding the back division together.
Cross has looked very good when called upon, but he will have to be content with a bench position.
Which leaves the 12 slot.
Barnes is unequivocally the starter, but there is always the theory that he would be better at 10 and Giteau would be better at 12. If there is more broken play under the ELVs, then surely it pays to have your more electric players further afield?
Tyrone Smith had an excellent season and I am convinced that he has a future. Tahu too.
However, it was negligent of Deans to play Tahu in an fifteen of that composition and with so little experience under his belt. When Mortlock retires, which may be sooner than later, Australia will be short of some key experiences.
If the going gets tough, Mortlock can take the ball up if need be. But how good would it be for Australia to have an alternative kicking no 12!
Barnes got injured and look what happened? No plan B.
Even Giteau is not yet a consistent international 10.
Despite that, he is Australia’s key performer. Take him and Mortlock out of the equation and there are players with a host of question marks in need of answering. And also a host of players who need to play regularly in one position: Burgess, Mitchell, Tahu, AAC, Sheperd, Turner, Ioane, Gerrard, and so on.
Burgess has abundant talent but Cordingley is departing soon and Sheehan is barely Super 14 standard.
I am convinced that Deans has taken on a much bigger job than initially expected, and until Australia recognizes that rugby union is a game of specialists, the Wallabies will always be found out when it matters most.
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ohtani's jacket said | September 2nd 2008 @ 1:36am | Report comment
It’s rare that any side has a world class player in every position. The three great All Black sides of the past 20 years came close to reaching that level, but it took years to develop and their peak window was extremely small (two years max.)
What the Wallabies need is what their best teams have always had & what their ex-greats always claim — five or six world class players. Obviously you want those players in key positions — tighthead, lock, openside, first five, etc., but a couple in the forwards and a couple in the backs & everyone will play better and look better.
In his eight years tenure as Crusaders coach, Deans didn’t produce a huge number of world class Test players, but he was a feeder for the national side, & although he ended up effing up the NZ backline (as assistant backs coach), for a while there were short term results.
If that sounds ominous for Australian roarers it should! You’re trusting a Kiwi to win you a World Cup. Hasn’t happened in a long time and most of the defeated coaches (barring Mitchell) were hugely successful at the provincial level.
The fact that they hired Deans highlights a big problem with Australian rugby. There aren’t enough good coaches in the domestic set-up. If none of the Aussie coaches are good enough to coach Australia then how are they going to aid and assist Deans in the Super 14?
Let’s say that Deans wants Tahu at inside centre. Tahu needs a lot of work at his game & has to play second five for the Waratahs. Is Chris Hickey a good enough coach to teach Tahu the art of playing as a NZ style second five? Does Hickey want to play Tahu at second five if it weakens the Waratahs?
Mitchell knows New Zealand rugby & so things might happen at the Force, but I think Deans will find that not only is the depth worse in Australia but the Super 14 franchises aren’t as centralised and don’t feed into the national side in the way that the NZ system does.
MacQueen was hugely involved in Australian rugby long before he took over from Smith. He didn’t just select a side, he had a hand in shaping that side throughout the 90s. What I can’t understand about Deans is that despite being only six months on the job, he knows how abject some of these Wallabies are. Did he really think he could get Dunning and Baxter to play better? Did he think he could persist with Waugh, play Giteau at first five or any of the other criticisms NZers have had of the Australian rugby team?
If he were coaching against this Australian side, those are the match-ups he’d exploit. I know Deans has a lot of great philosophies about rugby and life & that he’s a player’s coach and all the rest, but his coaching to date has been club level coaching as far as I can tell. That makes the Wallabies a glorified club side.
Even if they win the Tri-Nations I won’t be that impressed. It’s a fine line between winning the title and going 3-3. It’s easy to say he should blow the side up and start from scratch, but at the same time the All Blacks won two big Tests with a stripped down side.
If I were Deans, I would’ve given my side a bollocking. Forget this redeeming yourself in Brisbane crap. Deans was quick to cut ties with anyone he didn’t want in his Crusaders side. He needs to be brutally honest. Based on that performance at Ellis Park, the Wallabies don’t deserve to win the Tri-Nations. It’s Test match rugby, so they may well win it, but everything that was supposedly good about Durban flew out the window faster than it did in Auckland.
I thought he should’ve rested players in case things got ugly. Never happened. Some guys had to be subbed off because of their lungs, others were just straight up swaps where there was no chance of improving the side’s hopes. Strange.
Benjamin said | September 2nd 2008 @ 2:39am | Report comment
OJ, you’re a New Zealander so you would be able to answer this for me. I’ve always been curious as to how involved Deans was in finding and developing young talent? Did he establish McCaw, Mauger etc from a young age? I know that the Crusaders had/have a good system and they got the best out of players like Ron cribb, for example, when other teams failed to but how much of that is down to Deans? Was it just a geographical coincidence that so many good players were at Canterbury?
Personally I cannot see the motivation to coach an international team at such a comparatively young age. If you are a coach you want that day-to-day contact with players, and a real opportunity to change bad habits etc. It must be extremely frustrating not to have that any more. Hewett and Somerville were never world beaters and look at how much better they were for the Crusaders than for the ABs. The same is true of Dunning and Baxter.
Jerry said | September 2nd 2008 @ 6:28am | Report comment
Benjamin – Mauger played for NZ Secondary Schools, U-19 & U-21s, McCaw played for both the U-19s & U-21s (and was selected for the All Blacks at 20), so both of them were in the system from a pretty young age. Both the Crusaders and the Canterbury union would have an academy that develops age group players, but I’m not sure how much Deans was directly involved in that.
Deans is very good at developing young talent into solid S14 players or legitimate stars though. It’s a bit of a chicken/egg thing though – the Crusaders were already 2 time champs when he took over with a solid core of stars and seasoned veterans. But he’s developed enough players since then to suggest that it’s no coincidence that the Crusaders unearthed so many talented players.
Benjamin said | September 2nd 2008 @ 7:02am | Report comment
Jerry, I’ll bear that in mind.
Deans is obviously a very good coach, but the more I think about it, the less it makes sense for him to leave to take charge of Australia. I just can’t see the logic. If he performs badly then that will undermine his All Black credentials.
Davo said | September 2nd 2008 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Lets not get so introspective we want to slash our wrists after one ( all be it massive ) loss. The stars were in alignment to suggest the Aussies wouldnt win….they’d effectively done their job which was winning a game in Sth Africa. They were tired. It was at altitude, the game had no bearing on the final position of the Tri Nations table and most importantly Saf for this match were desperate, hungry,humilated and angry. Australia approached this match in a self satisfied, lax mood and when things started so badly – down two tries in 12 mins, they couldnt summon the mental hunger or physical aptitude to do anything much about it.
Given Australia provided one Super 14 finalist, the Force had a decent year, the Brumbies struggled with injury but unearthed ( as did the Force ) a lot of promising players, I’m prepared to say there is still depth in Australian rugby. The performance this season of Aust A was also heartening even though the opposition was admittedly poor.
Can guys like Blades and Cockbain truly be rated as “super” international players ? I’m not so sure. I personally feel there is plenty of depth in Australian rugby in the centres, in the 2nd row – guys like Kimlin and the two Aust U21 players from the Force, and in the backrow I wouldnt write off Hoiles, Houston, Brown as being able to make a strong international career, Pocock is a champion and Palu is still only 25-26, has the odd quiet game sure, but could eventually be lauded as being as good as Kefu.
Front row I dont have any answers – except I dont see why TPN couldnt have a crack at a prop spot. Personally I wouldnt mind seeing a NSW front row next year of Kepu, Frier and TPN.
Benjamin said | September 2nd 2008 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Davo, there has been a lot of hyperbole and excessive reactions to the various games so far. However I think it is accurate to say that SA were never as bad as their form suggested and that Australia’s victories had been overplayed a tad. As much as Australia were up against things before the second test had even begun there is no way that a team with serious aspirations should lose by so much. Credit to SA but the reality is that they did not have to do a great deal to win that game.
I also agree tha there is depth in Australian rugby but significantly it is untested and callow. If Giteau were to get injured then Australia would be in trouble. There is no real comptetition and that translates across the squad. Sharpe could be dropped because Horwill and Vickermann were more effective but Dunning and Baxter cannot be dropped. Tuqiri could never realistically be dropped, neither could Palu or Moore or even Smith. Hoiles is a glorified 7s player and Houston is not quite the dynamo a lof of people thought he might be. The majority of players who would have to be called upon are very young and that would necessitate a lot of growing pains. If TNP were moved to prop then straightaway his running game would be greatly diminished. Deans is hostage to a group of senior players as it stands.
Cockbain and Blades were not necessarily super players, but they were part of a super team that physically was no better, and perhaps worse, than a lot of opposing nations. 1999 was the last major tournament where Australia punched above it’s weight regularly and successfully.
johnny boy said | September 2nd 2008 @ 8:24am | Report comment
I seem to recall the Crusaders not infrequently having a ‘dud’ game as they neared Super 14 finals. Deans knows that no team can keep it up all the time, especially in Super 14. It’s bloody tough. So you might as well ‘experiment’ or throw a few new boys in while you can to give them experience (TPN for example who wont be in the squad next year if he refuses to master lineout throwing). And especially given Australia’s relatively shallow depth of talent
If the result is irrelevant to the overall scheme of things – you might as well take the opportunity give your team a ‘spur’ for the real thing. Wallabies will come out firing in Brisbane to take the Bledisloe and Tri-Nations. They wouldnt dare otherwise. As Henry and DeVilliers have found, fear is the ultimate motivator
Ben C said | September 2nd 2008 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Lurpak?
Given Vickerman is leaving, Mumm and Caldwell will likely be the starting locks for the Waratahs so it seems Mumm may go down the path of No. 5 while McMeniman should be left at No. 6. I expect on the EOYT and next year it will be Mumm and Kimlin vying for the No. 5 slot with the other to take the bench as lock/flanker cover.
ohtani's jacket said | September 2nd 2008 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Benjamin,
McCaw made a name for himself in the 1998 secondary school rugby final & received a scholarship to the rugby programme at Lincoln University in Christchurch. From there he began playing provincial rugby for Canterbury in 1999. Deans was the NPC coach at the time, but McCaw had been touted from secondary school.
Carter was a Christchurch product through and through. He went to Christchurch Boys’ High School & made his provincial debut out of High School Old Boys RFC. He was part of the Crusaders Development side in 2002 and was the top point-scorer for New Zealand at the under-21 World Championship in South Africa.
It’s not really a case of being discovered. They both came up through the grades in representative rugby.
True Tah said | September 2nd 2008 @ 9:54am | Report comment
OJ,
through Deans coaching, Scott Hamilton ultimately ended up wearing the black jersey…he was a player who only made his schools 3rd XV.
If Deans can do that with a guy like Hamilton, then I am optimistic with what he can do with someone the likes of say Lachie Turner, who has more talent in his pinky finger than Hamilton has in his entire body.