Archie Fraser, your time at the FFA is up
By Australian Football, 11 Feb 2010 Australian Football is a Roar Guru
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As a Gold Coaster, I can feel for the owner Clive Palmer of Gold Coast United FC with some of the weirdest decisions made by new boy Archie Fraser, ex AFL, St Kilda CEO.
Some of his administrative decisions have been confounding and mystifying for the HAL, particularly the commencement of the HAL season and its ending, and the match scheduling.
This has caused enormous anxiety amongst the HAL clubs and their players––especially for those being considered for selection by Pim for the Australian National Football team.
Clearly Archie Fraser did not consult Pim Verbeek for his opinion in this regard to when the best time would be for the local HAL’s start to the season to coincide with the FIFA’s 2010 Football World Cup.
This will now result in lengthy long term football inactivity of those HAL players before the 2010 Football World Cup commencement date. That left some who had to decide whether to stay and play at the business end of the season, or move to an overseas club.
Now we have the unsavoury business of possible legal action taken by the FFA against Bleiberg and Palmer for comments they made being charged for bringing the game into disrepute for merely voicing an opinion. (Palmer’s FFA corruption comment may have been a bit over the top).
However, it seems to me GCU have been justified about some of the decision making at head office in regard at the regional clubs’ expense, starting with the Jets and FFA poaching of ex Jets Manager Gary Van Egmond.
Then the important inaugural home game of Gold Coast United’s first round home draw that was to be played at the Robina stadium, only to see it switched to Suncorp at the expense of owner Clive Palmer’s GCU FC.
Add to that the lengthy suspensions of Steve Pantelidis compared to Muscat’s, but he is not alone with his suspicions that the FFA are playing some form of cronyism to aid the big city HAL clubs Melb Vic, Brisbane ROAR, and to a small degree SFC.
This incredible decision now, to allow Nik Mrdja, to transfer to Melb Victory outside the January transfer window is another example of his incompetence.
Some say it was within the HAL rule book but, clearly not in context of true fair play––some would say it was down right cheating to ensure a Melb Vic and SFC final in either Sydney or Melbourne. Well that had crossed my mind admittedly as it has with Clive Palmer.
All does not seem fair and equal when the integrity of the HAL is in question with its dealing with the regional clubs.
Part of a transcript from 442 website, Newcastle Jets boss Branko Culina this evening joined the row over the move.
“Around the rest of the world there is a transfer deadline where you can’t sign players who are contracted in that period,” he told The World Game. “I’m only talking for the interest of the game. There are only two rounds to go.
“Where else in Europe or around the world would you be able sign a player with two rounds to go from another team that’s competing in the same competition as you are, the same league, not another team from around the world, so you can bolster your team if you have a chance of winning the championship in the last game?
“Where? Tell me. Please. It doesn’t make sense. From a footballing point of view it’s not something that I think is good for the game or its supporters.”
More incompetence: “Football Federation Australia has admitted no-one told them Nik Mrdja had re-signed for Central Coast Mariners next season when they approved his move to Melbourne Victory.” (442 website).
Branko Culina makes a valid and fair point with his above quotes and it is hard to argue against them – why was it allowed to happen in the first place, and what now can be done to rectify this outrageous decision allowed by the HAL manager Archie Fraser? Should the match be replayed or should the points be withdrawn from Melb Victory?
I think the points should be deducted to save the HAL’s integrity and embarrassment and remind Archie he no longer works in the confine of AFL’s contrived system.
FIFA regulations and the ASEIAN confederation require player’s transfers to occur within FIFA transfer windows: clearly Mrdja’s questionable transfer to Melb Vic was unfair and now stands as an embarrassment to the FFA.
Something should be done about it before the finals can commence.
Just to make the situation worse, this reported quote in the Saturday’s 6th Feb. Gold Coast Bulletin, “There is a FFA conspiracy aimed at ensuring the March 21 title-decider is staged in Sydney or Melbourne at the expense of the tourist strip,” Palmer claimed.
The HAL is Australia’s Premier Football league; it needs to have complete transparency with match scheduling, player transfers, and running its competition according to the FFA’s constitution.
Now what is the FFA’s constitution? It seems anything that Archie has learnt at his time with the AFL.
Suddenly we are faced with the goal posts being moved by Archie Fraser of the FFA, as Clive Palmer sees it.
Does Clive have a point? Well it can be seen as the FFA with Archie Fraser’s strange handling of the HAL affairs this season, he very well may have and that saddens me.
Not that I think for one moment the FFA is corrupt, just that Archie Fraser has made some monumental stuff ups and he should go.
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February 11th 2010 @ 7:45am
Art Sapphire said | February 11th 2010 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Hilarious! The piece should have been titled. “GCU and Sydney FC supporter attempts biggest whinge in A-League history”
Congatulations AF – you succeeded
February 11th 2010 @ 8:09am
TheMagnificent11 said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:09am | Report comment
I don’t think people are making informed comments about the Mrdja deal. He had a contract with CCM till the end of the season. He had signed a new contract with CCM to start next season. He was released from his current contract. Thus making him a free agent and so he can be signed outside the transfer windows (the same way Lucas Neil signed for Everton). I’m pretty sure the injury replacement rule allows you to sign free agents.
The same situation could happen anywhere is the world. Assume tomorrow Chelsea sacked John Terry for bringing the club into disrepute. He would then be free to sign for Arsenal the following day because he has no contract. Transfer windows are for player movements where contracts exist between a club and player. Players without contracts can be signed at any time.
February 11th 2010 @ 10:26am
Marcel said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Mag11. Youre argument only holds water if he hadnt resigned with CCM ( and on the same day FFS). As others have said on other posts..”if it smells like a loan..etc”.
The Mrdja deal won’t stand up in court if it gets challenged.
Yes it is within the letter of the law, but the role of the courts is also to assess whether adherence to the letter of the law is consistent with the intent for which the laws were created in the first place. This is why the courts exist because even with the best written contracts the world is not “black and white” so to speak
In this instance there has been undeniable collusion between CCM and MVFC to cirumvent the intent of the relevant laws.
Also how can all of this have happened without Mrjda being tapped up by MV?…which is an offence in itself.
All that remains is for another club to sustain an ascertained loss as a result of this and then things will get very interesting
February 11th 2010 @ 10:35am
TheMagnificent11 said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:35am | Report comment
Who is going to take this to court? Mrdja is happy; he gets to play finals football. The Victory are happy; they have a good injury replacement. The Mariners are happy; their wage bill is a bit lighter. Perhaps Gold Coast or Sydney could argue the point that they lost revenue (if they lose to Melbourne in a finals). However, this is very difficult to prove. They have to prove that before they can get on the matter of the deal being “fair”, because legally it is within the letter of the law. You have to lose something before you can make a claim in civil court.
February 11th 2010 @ 10:53am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:53am | Report comment
SFC or GCU both could in theory—if Melb Vic take out the double and Nik scores a hat trick in the last game of the season.
February 11th 2010 @ 11:04am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:04am | Report comment
TheMagnificent11
btw FFA has stated they were un-aware that Nik had planned to go back to CCM.
“Football Federation Australia has admitted no-one told them Nik Mrdja had re-signed for Central Coast Mariners next season when they approved his move to Melbourne Victory.” (442 website)
Now this is pretty damning evidence—that the FFA were miss-lead if true.
February 11th 2010 @ 11:33am
TheMagnificent11 said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:33am | Report comment
I suspect the FFA are just saying this to appease the public. However, other than looking bad for not knowing, it makes no difference whether they knew or not. CCM and MV conducted themselves within the rules. What exactly can the FFA do about it? If the CCM and MV misled the FFA, the FFA could penalise them. This has nothing to do with the law; just the rules that all A-League clubs have to comply with to compete in the FFA’s competition.
February 11th 2010 @ 11:56am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:56am | Report comment
TheMagnificent11
Well that’s what will be found out on Sunday if Nik plays or not.. If he plays well its up to SFC or GCU if either of them get nothing out of the season. And the mood that Clive Palmer is in at present who knows when the final games are playout—watchout.
Where is this ultimately going to go, not sure, but the FFA were negligent by their own admission for not knowing the entire facts of the Nik Mrdja move and they may be held accountable.
February 11th 2010 @ 11:05am
Marcel said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Imagine Mrjda scores the winner on Sun and Sydney claim they miss out on a Champions league spot because of this dodgy deal. Likewise if he scores the winner against Gold Coast in the Final. He doesnt even have to score, he just has to play for there to be a potential problem.
There would be a direct and measurable losses associated with this as there are fixed match payments from the AFC for the various games… thats before you get into the grey area you note about crowd revenue and advertising etc. Im guessing though that any challenge would be to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and would be over who gets the champions league spot.
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The issue really is that this is very clearly a loan deal in intent regardless of its supposed legitimacy. And once the lawyers get involved intent becomes just as important as paperwork.
February 11th 2010 @ 11:34am
TheMagnificent11 said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:34am | Report comment
That’s a big if, but you’re right.
February 11th 2010 @ 10:49am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Marcel,
yes indeed and SFC should act.
More incompetence: “Football Federation Australia has admitted no-one told them Nik Mrdja had re-signed for Central Coast Mariners next season when they approved his move to Melbourne Victory.” (442 website).
And what of this alarming admission from the man Archie Fraser who is supposably in charge of running the HAL.. This is scandalous..
February 11th 2010 @ 8:11am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Art,
I forgot about referee Mathew Breeze’s astonishing penalty decision that ended the Golden Boys run for their historic Premier’s Plate… What was that? Was that the FFA putting the final nail in our coffin? Was it to make sure the Golden Boys did not have a home “Grand Final” to what would have been an outstanding season… ? Art, these questions must be asked and answered by Archie himself..
February 11th 2010 @ 8:29am
Art Sapphire said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
AF – Are you going to blame Archie Fraser for GCU not being able to score against Wellington. Did he stand behind the Phoenix goal and blow so hard that the ball could not go into the net
Are you also going to blame Archie for all the numerous “dodgy” transfers that were done before he took over in the first 4 seasons of the A-League (a few of which involved your other team Sydney FC)
You might as well blame him for the GFC, Global Warming and the New World Order
February 11th 2010 @ 10:37am
Marcel said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Absolutely, the last thing FFA would want is a Grand Final on the Gold Coast if they are trying to generate some interest amongst the locals there !
February 11th 2010 @ 8:17am
Midfielder said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
AF .. remember Kossie’s Killers… at Bluetounge … you said ref had a good game… everything that goes around comes around … same ref…
February 11th 2010 @ 8:42am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Midfielder,
If I remember it was your lads who tried to kick the SFC off the park and your players were rightly sent off.. Yes he had done the right thing. However, he failed miserably for the GCU v Nix fixture as Jesse’s comment below suggests.
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/blogs/halftimeorange/its-fight-or-flight-for-phoenix-287826
“Matthew Breeze, an Asian Football Confederation “Elite Referee”, can’t have any complaints about not going to the World Cup if he hands out decisions like the clanger that cost Gold Coast United any chance of winning the Premier’s Plate – as Bas van den Brink was adjudged to have taken down Tim Brown when he got to the ball cleanly.”
February 11th 2010 @ 8:20am
whiskeymac said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:20am | Report comment
“for merely voicing an opinion”. why should they be allowed to say something without justification, especially in the press?
when you voice an opinion that’s unfair and damages someones reputation that’s slander; to publish it is libel. If Clive and Mron have publicly voiced an opinion which is deemed to be injurious to the FFA, and without a legal defence, then am sure legal action is a valid option. whether its pursued is another matter.
Conspiracy? oh cmon. its not that slow a news week is it?
February 11th 2010 @ 8:28am
Midfielder said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:28am | Report comment
ERRRRRR AF .. R U wearing white shoes these days… agree with Whiskey … Fat Tony & Side Show Bob need to pull their heads in…
February 11th 2010 @ 8:29am
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Looks like our devious plan of placing AFL loyalists in key positions within the evil soccer empire is finally coming to fruition BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
February 11th 2010 @ 8:38am
whiskeymac said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:38am | Report comment
good stuff. who needs Dan Brown.
yes the AFL background on Mr Frazer’s sporting management career seemed a little irrelevant unless its alluding to the “larger conspiracy” (and of course ignoring his playing career in football). or maybe its a scottish thing? revenge for Lawries displacement.
or maybe the chinese gvernment has infilitrated FFA and is seeking revenge for Clive’s recent gaffes affecting the stock markets?
February 11th 2010 @ 6:08pm
bever fever said | February 11th 2010 @ 6:08pm | Report comment
Totally agree Kurt, the title of this article should be called “i am paranoid about the AFL and if GC fold or do no good it’s all the AFL’s fault”, combined with Jimbo’s attack on the AFLs drug policy these guys are really the dynamic duo.
BTW I do realise its a very long title for a article.
February 12th 2010 @ 4:07pm
Australian Football said | February 12th 2010 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
Pleased you enjoyed my article and learnt something new.. btw keep up the drug overdosing
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AF
February 13th 2010 @ 7:53am
Gatto Nero said | February 13th 2010 @ 7:53am | Report comment
I loved this line:
“I think the points should be deducted to save the HAL’s integrity and embarrassment and remind Archie he no longer works in the confine of AFL’s contrived system.”
Archie obviously took his experience from the AFL and let a top player from a club not finals bound sign a short-term contract with a rival club competing in the finals. It happens all the time in the AFL…
In reality, the AFL has the tightest trading rules of any league in Australia, with only a one week window for player trading. Cue soccer fans who say the draw’s uneven, then point to the fact that there is no home-and-away equality in the A-League. Cue them that the AFL has a special distribution of money to its weaker clubs, then point out that the A-League keeps bailing out its member clubs when investors don’t want to touch them. Cue the AFL salary cap concessions, then point to the marquee player rule and the fact that the A-League clubs couldn’t afford concessions even if they were allowed them.
Thank God the footy season’s back on so I can get back to watching the Cats!
February 13th 2010 @ 8:27am
Australian Football said | February 13th 2010 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Watching the cats do what? hmm yes the illicit drug squad will be watching the cats a lot closer this season—happy days are here again.
February 13th 2010 @ 8:59am
Punter said | February 13th 2010 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Yes I can’t wait for the footy season to start too, so you & your AFL cheerleaders (Sheedy’s boys) can get off Football threads talking about things you have no idea about.
It’s great that in Football there is no off season.
February 13th 2010 @ 9:25am
Andyroo said | February 13th 2010 @ 9:25am | Report comment
I actually prefer shorter seasons, but out hands are tied (AFC rules) so I think we will just have to endure smaller averages while we put on more games.
despite what hinds says
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/aleague-must-work-to-spur-nag-factor-20100212-nxgo.html
I think the standard has noticeable improved this year and should do again next year.
February 13th 2010 @ 9:33am
Punter said | February 13th 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
While I didn’t agree with everything Hinds said, I thought this was one of his better articles.
I especially like this line;
‘That does not mean the A-League is about to fade to black. It is, however, a good sign that the crucial second stage – the one that involves the really heavy lifting – has started.’
I was just talking about smaller averages last night with a English friend. We were discussing the possible Euro Super league for the Man Us & Barcelona & AC Milans & I said people just ain’t interested in Stoke v Hull. He told me the people in Hull & Stoke were.
My point being yes smaller averages due to Nth Queensland & Gold Coast expansion, I look at if this way, there are 6K people in the Gold Coast & 7K in Qth Queensland watching the HAL live that didn’t watch it last year.
February 13th 2010 @ 10:31am
MV Dave said | February 13th 2010 @ 10:31am | Report comment
l think a 33 game season is long enough and can be integrated into the sporting csalender as long as the game scheduling is appropriate. Cant understand why some games (poor Jets in particular) had games scheduled at 3pm on a Summer afternoon. In Summer games have to be played into the evening with both player and spectator in mind. Will Foxsports allow all games to be broadcast from 6pm onwards only during Dec – Feb?
WP no problems as they are 2 hours ahead so 7pm ko is fine for all concerned
PG need to have a latest ko of 7pm (9pm edst)
So Friday and Sat nights need 2 games each and Sundays mainly 1 game.
During the August-Nov period some games can be afternoon ko’s.
Re the game standard (as a watcher from season 1 game 1) l have no doubt the overall quality is on an incline with it improving even more as more young players pass through the various academies etc. The quality of goals this season has been the best by a mile.
Punter you are right re the new fans in Townsville/GC watching live games for the first time. The numbers are on the low side now but with appropriate nurturing will grow and add to the Australia wide footprint.
February 11th 2010 @ 8:39am
jimbo said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Archie’s performance has been disappointing this year, but I don’t entirely blame him.
When he was with the AFL he had a lot more money and resources to play with.
I’m sure he could do a better job with the FFA if he had more resources and dollars and he has said himself how frustrating it is.
But small steps till the WC and the WC bid is over – which is the FFA’s priority at the moment.
The new Melb Rect Stadium and Melb Heart and the Sydney Rovers post world cup should see an improvement.
If this is the worst it gets for the A-League with little or no promotion or investment, then the A-League still has a bright future ahead of it.
February 11th 2010 @ 8:42am
Redb said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Archie Fraser is a devoted soccer (and AFL) fan I doubt he hasn’t put his best endeavours towards making the A league work, his AFL history is irrelevant other than he was part of one of the best adminsitered sports in the country. Something soccer can’t claim. ASF anyone?
February 11th 2010 @ 8:56am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Please can you reinstate him back where he belongs at St Kilda.. I’m sure he can do some more damage to St Kilda and the Dons will win the flag.. best for all, win, win all round.
February 11th 2010 @ 8:44am
Art Sapphire said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Sorry to steal your thread but in big news down in Melbourne. Etihad Stadium will not be used in the WC.
This means that unless they modify Swan St Stadium, Melbourne will only have one venue for the WC, the MCG.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl-blocks-ian-collins-world-cup-soccer-bid-for-etihad-stadium/story-e6frf9if-1225828923661
THE AFL has scored again with Etihad Stadium chief Ian Collins all but closing the door on World Cup soccer being staged at the Docklands venue. In the latest blow to soccer’s bid to host the World Cup in Australia in 2018 or 2022, Collins said yesterday he would honour his stadium’s 25-year contract to host AFL matches.
“It’s pretty simple to us. Our major tenant is the AFL and they have pre-emptive rights on scheduling,” Collins told the Herald Sun. “And if the AFL decides that they want to schedule 100 footy matches here between February and September then they are entitled to do it.
“They have those rights. If it was in summer time it would be a different kettle of fish. But the real issue is the World Cup is going to be held during winter.”
February 11th 2010 @ 8:53am
jimbo said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Not a problem.
Lowy has already said that we can play the WC here even without the MCG or ES.
The state and federal governments have also already signed on the dotted line to guarantee all funding and infrastructure will be in place in time and that document has already gone to FIFA.
February 11th 2010 @ 8:56am
AndyRoo said | February 11th 2010 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Seems a fair outcome as it’s privately owned by the AFL and they have already agreed to giving up the MCG which was key.
It’s a shame they are deciding 2022 this year. I think if we just had a couple more years then their might be some call for a new world cup sized rectangular venue.
If MV were selling out Swan Street, Heart doing the same for Finals, Storm Finals and Rebels finals (and perhaps vs NSW and QLD matches) … people would be thinking 33k isn’t enough.
February 11th 2010 @ 9:07am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Art,
that’s a blessing in disguise now you will get a new extra rectangle stadium of 40k along with the bubble stadium—any ideas of where it could go?
February 11th 2010 @ 10:54am
Art Sapphire said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:54am | Report comment
AF – they won’t build an extra rectangle stadium just for the WC bid. FFA will present the final bid in May and they might chuck in an expanded Swan St stadium to make the bid look stronger. Once we win the bid, does not mean it will get built.
February 11th 2010 @ 11:12am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Yes but it has been reported that it would cost just as much to build another 40k stadium as to refurbish the bubble and if the feds are going to pay for it—so why not? We just need to know where to build it.. Rugby would welcome it I’m sure..
February 11th 2010 @ 9:34pm
jimbo said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:34pm | Report comment
If its a purpose built football stadium ie rectangular, it won’t be built in Melbourne, either NSW or Qld – where 3 codes could use it.
At least 3 Sydney councils – Campbelltown, Penrith and Parramatta have already put their hand up to the organising committee to upgrade existing stadia or buiid a new one in their neighbourhood.
Here’s the demountable stadium design used in London for the Olympics, so there is no white elephant after the olympics are over.
http://www.london2012.com/news/2007/11/new-era-of-stadium-design-unveiled.php
February 12th 2010 @ 4:02pm
Australian Football said | February 12th 2010 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
Jimbo,
thanks for the link—that’s an interesting demountable stadium design.
That reminds me of an episode in “Seinfeld” where the top of the muffins were eaten and the bottoms were given to the needy. “if the need don’t want them then the needy don’t have to have them”.
In any case I’m primed to for the big Block-Buster at the SFS.. SFC to send those Jackals home with their tails between their legs and Aloisi to smash in 4 disputed penalties in the last 5mins of extra time to steal the Dog’s Plate from right under their paws
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AF
February 11th 2010 @ 11:24am
Australian Football said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Art sorry—I didn’t entirely read your last comment. If the demand is there in Melbourne for the WC which it is, the FFA will have to rebuild the Bubble or a new stadium surely? The FFA will not chance an un-truth with FIFA stadia requirement as it would be disastrous, as FIFA will threaten to have the WC taken away if it is not consistent with the FFA bid book.
February 11th 2010 @ 9:17am
Simmo said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Docklands deal is good news for everybody. Hopefully there’ll be a whole lot less anxiety flying about now.
February 11th 2010 @ 10:57am
Redb said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more.
They should re-build the rectangular stadium to be FIFA compliant though. Its still in construction! Might mean a delay for another year before the stadium opens but its a much more practical long term decision.
Redb
February 11th 2010 @ 11:42am
Simmo said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:42am | Report comment
I just don’t think it’s possible. I suspect the cost of expanding from 31k to 40k would be similar for building the first 31k as a whole new roof would be required and building on top of the upper tiers is v.expensive as well.
February 11th 2010 @ 12:15pm
Redb said | February 11th 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
At least the foundations are solid enough though – built to cater for 50,000. Engineers? Pffft
February 11th 2010 @ 1:04pm
Michael C said | February 11th 2010 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
a largely unreported comment came from Grocon – the constructors who suggested that it wasn’t ‘that hard’ to expand it to 40,000+.
You have to look hard for it – in the last line of this article from H-S back in December.
Melbourne’s new rectangular stadium emerged as a possible alternative.
Builder Grocon revealed the 31,000-seat venue could be easily increased to 40,000.
There might be a bit of smoke and mirrors going on with the FFA trying to get one past the AFL by trying to nab Docklands – but why? when every thing was pointing at Swan St???
remember – apparently that is too expensive ($150m).
So instead they suggested $270m building a new AFL stadium at E-Gate near Docklands/Nth Melb that can be turned into a 44,000 seat rectangular stadium for the World Cup.
It amazes me just how easy they are rejecting Swan Street, but are happy to build a new $270m stadium for the AFL.
It may still be an issue of venues over 40K having a moratorium on them within 10km of Docklands for the entire 25 years of ‘private management’ of the venue. But, that’s not for the AFL to work out!!
February 11th 2010 @ 1:59pm
AndyRoo said | February 11th 2010 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Building a brand new 45k rectangular stadium would be a white elephant now…. but they don’t have to build it now. The world cup isn’t until 2022. In 12 years time I think their is a pretty good chance their would be demand for such a venue.
February 11th 2010 @ 2:52pm
Michael C said | February 11th 2010 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
a cute take here from HS article comments today:
AFL of loathe soccer Posted at 12:06 PM Today
Matt of Sydney: Etihad Stadium is 55 000 seats. The Rectangular stadium is only 33 000 steats. It was going to be closer to 50 000, but Etihad have in their contract that no other stadium of comparable size is allowed to be built for x years from when Etihad opened. Hence the rectangular stadium only 33 000. Though I think it’s stupid they didn’t make it 40 000 to meet FIFA requirements. People, can you all shut your holes already. You guys are stressing over NOTHING. It’s 8 – 12 years away! If you guys think this ‘deal’ is a done deal, then you’re all complete boofoons. They will work something out. I loathe soccer and love AFL, but I see value in this event. I wont be attending and will take annual leave to spend a month in the state Collingwood plays in. I’ll also rent my apartment out for some stupid cost to a rich Chinese person and reap the rewards.
Noice.
February 11th 2010 @ 9:30am
Peter said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:30am | Report comment
It’s all irrelevant anyway – the last time I checked the odds on Australia hosting the World Cup we were sitting at 10-1. Why on earth would FIFA pass on the USA? The money they could make in Australia (if any) is absolute chicken feed compared to what an American World cup would make. Think about it from FIFA’s point of view:
Australia: 22 Million, 2 Stadiums over 60,000 people, 3 Rectangular Stadiums over 40,000.
America: 310 Million, More than 50 Stadiums over 60,000, More than 60 Rectangular Stadiums over 40,000 including the 31 NFL Stadiums with a Minimum capacity of 61,000 with absolutely stunning facilities. Just looking at the NFL stadiums on Wikipedia and some of them make Suncorp look tiny.
Somehow… I think they will go with America.
February 11th 2010 @ 9:44am
TheMagnificent11 said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:44am | Report comment
FIFA makes more money out of TV rights and advertising than ticket sales. FIFA can charge Asian countries more for TV rights if the WC is in a favourable time-zone for Asia. They will also attract more Asian sponsors.
Currently, Europe earns FIFA the most in TV rights and sponsorships. However, in 10 years time this may not be the case. Asia’s population is the biggest and it has the best economic growth of all regions. It’s not hard to see Asia taking over the western world in spending power.
USA is not in a good time-zone for Europe or Asia. So, from a money-making point of view, perhaps USA is not the best option.
February 11th 2010 @ 9:57am
Peter said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:57am | Report comment
The US is however in the perfect time zone for the worlds biggest TV market – the US. Not to mention the big Latin American nations (Brazil, Mexico and Argentina) which are presently seeing high growth as well (from a much higher base than China and most of ASEAN). Unless China qualifies for the World Cup I wouldn’t expect a huge number of them to tune in anyway. The economic growth in Southeast Asia is slowing (obviously once a nation has made all the soft gains then 10% growth is impossible), although still impressive.
Besides – Japan and South Korea are both bidding for the 2022 world cup and they have the same advantage.
February 11th 2010 @ 10:28am
TheMagnificent11 said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Good point. However, Latin America doesn’t even have the spending power that Asia has at the moment (even thought they may currently spend more on TV rights). I think in 10 years time the Asian economy will be bigger than the combined economies of the Americas.
Also, China doesn’t have to make the WC for them to spend a lot of TV rights. I don’t know that they make much difference considering most of their TV is government run (not a free market with lots of competition). Japan, Korea, the gulf countries and south-east Asia (including Indonesia) would be where the money is coming from. Chinese companies may benefit FIFA iin sponsorship, but not much on TV rights.
February 11th 2010 @ 10:34am
Towser said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
I think you will find the opposite. Was listening to Radio national this morning & they were discussing the spread of the media in developing countries.
Of the Internet & TV,the box was far outstripping the Internet in developing countries. Whereas in developed countries it was stagnating(TV) & the internet growing.
In fact two thirds of households in developing countries have a TV. Up from half a few years ago
So as Asia has the largest population of any continent & consists mainly of developing countries, its a huge market for football.
Given the upward TV growth in developing countries, in 8 or 12 years it will be a massive potential audience. Also many countries are in our time zone or close, if we get it.
As for China’s WC Audience. At the last WC it had the biggest cumalative Audience in the world, with no China in the finals. From FIFA regarding Worldwide WC viewing.Full article below.
“A cumulative audience, in-home and out-of-home, of 26.29 billion viewers.
Asia contributed the highest share of the overall cumulative television audience, 8.28 billion in-home viewers, 34.2% of the global total.
The largest single market contributor was China, which accounted for 3.98 billion viewers, followed by Brazil, Vietnam and Germany.”
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/marketing/factsfigures/tvdata.html
February 11th 2010 @ 3:58pm
Towser said | February 11th 2010 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
Just a further addition to Asia’s growing interest in football,India.
Whilst nowhere near Chinas yet, by 2018/2022 ,it will if it grows at the rate in the following article, be substantial:-
http://footballdynamicsasia.blogspot.com/2010/01/huge-growth-in-indian-interest-for.html
February 12th 2010 @ 1:29am
Cpaaa 2018 said | February 12th 2010 @ 1:29am | Report comment
Read this article
http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=32968
“2018/2022 Race Takes Shape: England Leads, Australia Pushing Hard”
this was recently published on the TWG site.
It shows Australia with the most potential of leaving a legacy while the US bid lacks in the wow factor, gov support and scoring the worst for legacy.
i think its too soon since 94 to repeat a WC in the Americas considering a Latin country would have held the cup in 2014.
So that means if Australia were to miss out on 2018 and 2022, Only one time, in all its history, that a World Cup would have been staged in the Asian region and a joint bid at that. i think the real threat could be from Qatar.
February 11th 2010 @ 9:43pm
jimbo said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
Irrelevant?
Australia is second favourite in all betting markets behind England.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/how-the-world-cup-bid-rivals-compare-1823935.html
- where did you get 10-1?
All it takes is some very bad behaviour from the British at the WC in SA and the FFA to come up with a good Stadium plan and we would move into favouritism.
Don’t underestimate the power of Lowy and the FFA.