Foz’s sniping at other codes is pointless
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With the FIFA World Cup just around the corner, excitement is building among Australian football fans looking forward with anticipation to football’s showpiece event.
For many long time fans of football who are keenly interested in the growth of the game here in Australia, the World Cup is also one of the key factors in growing the game here.
This is especially the case with Australia featuring for the second consecutive time in the competition, while simultaneously we are promoting our bid to host it.
There is no doubt that having the privilege of holding the world’s biggest and possibly most passionate sporting event on home soil would be a dream come true for many Australians.
The future of Australian football, then, should look brighter than at any time in our history.
However, rather than embracing the joy and passion of this exquisite sporting spectacle, and using the opportunity to encourage interest and welcome others as fans of the game, several fans and media personalities are becoming overly negative and are turning this into an opportunity to lash out at fans of other codes, or the rival code itself.
I am not talking merely about harmless banter – the lifeblood of sport and one of the most enjoyable parts of being a fan – but genuinely felt hatred and vindictiveness that is creeping into the discussion of football.
These so-called ‘code wars’ strike me as bizarre.
After all, you wouldn’t see basketball fans death riding netball, or claiming they will soon leap above them in some imaginary popularity ranking. Nor would you see fans of tennis claiming with glee that their popularity will soon make golf all but extinct.
It is particularly disappointing when administrative heads such as Aussie Rules’ Andrew Demetriou let themselves down by provoking paranoia and fear of association football, or senior football analysts such as Craig Foster making sweeping statements to incite anger among Aussie rules and rugby fans.
Craig Foster does not merely polarise fans of all football codes (including his own) but actually insults and drives away casual football fans rather than attracting them to the game.
As an example, Craig Foster was interviewed yesterday morning on Triple J Radio.
In his interview, Foster dogmatically stated something he has mentioned before – that there are not, in fact, four codes of football in Australia.
In fact, he reasoned, “there is only one code of football” because the other three codes primarily use their hands. As such he referred to them as “handball codes!”
This claim is not only breathtakingly arrogant and intentionally provocative, but is not even historically factual.
A senior football analyst and a student of football of the calibre of Craig Foster should surely know that the word ‘football’ is not historically referring to the contact with the ball.
For him to state that it indicates that he is either being disingenuous, or that his level of ignorance of the history of football is such that all facts mentioned in his book bear re-examination for factual errors.
The name ‘football’ actually made its first appearance in a document in 1486 and was not referring to the foot making contact with the ball. In fact, it was referring to the game being played ‘on foot’, as opposed to on horseback as in royally-approved jousting.
Even if we discount any historical context, all four codes use contact by the hand within their rules to a greater or lesser extent, including association football.
Now, it is worth mentioning that Foster is spruiking his new book, cleverly leveraging off of the World Cup, and must be assuming all publicity is good publicity.
That said, deliberately provoking fans of the other three codes on national radio, in print in his columns as well as on SBS is self-defeating for football.
Craig Foster also claimed that football is unique in that it is outward looking, and inclusive of everyone.
Noble words.
However, Foster, by his words and abrasive, humourless manner, seeks to exclude, insult and belittle, and by doing so drive away those Australians who follow the other codes – and there are millions of them.
His inflammatory approach to promoting football at the expense of other codes is counterproductive.
His all or nothing approach is sadly not unique.
However, I urge football fans not to follow his lead.
We can use our participation at the FIFA World Cup and our bid to host it here in Australia as positives to promote the game and attract others, without insulting, patronising or going out of our way to disadvantage fans of the other sports or footballing codes.
Aussie Rules, League and Union make up the wonderful tapestry of sporting experience here in Australia. Whether we prefer one above the other is a personal choice that we should not force upon others.
In fact, there is no need to.
After all, the strength and appeal of association football easily stands on its own merits. Celebrating those merits alone are all that is required grow the game further in Australia.
Whether this football becomes the dominant code in Australia or not is irrelevant.
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May 7th 2010 @ 2:06am
Kurt said | May 7th 2010 @ 2:06am | Report comment
Perhaps surprisingly I’m going to stick up for Foz here – and not just because of my aformentioned deep personal regard for his hair. The fact is he is an OPINION writer. I personally consider his opinions to be complete rubbish but so what? There are some journos who make a living out of taking controversial positions but arguing them articulately, Foz simply falls into that category and I have absolutely no problem with that. The only people I have a problem with are those who are deliberately offensive for the sake of it – recently sacked columnist for The Age Catherine Deveny was a prime example with her deeply nasty attacks on religion, the Anzacs etc. and I’m glad to see the back of her. Foz doesn’t belong in that category.
May 7th 2010 @ 7:57am
Phil E Buster said | May 7th 2010 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Craig Foster’s role is as a football analyst, a far different role from opinion piece writers such as TWG’s Jesse Fink or Philip Micallef who only need to have a comparatively shallow understanding of the technical side of the game. As an analyst his approach is expected to be more objective, and based on facts.
May 7th 2010 @ 4:13pm
mahony said | May 7th 2010 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
I am not suprised you would ‘stick up’ for Foz at all.
May 7th 2010 @ 5:52am
Cpaaa said | May 7th 2010 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Kurt you are full of surprises.
firstly im spewing i missed foster on the J. First time i didnt listen to J in the morning.
“Whether this football becomes the dominant code in Australia or not is irrelevant.” I think Foster, (and i am in his corner) speaks openly about how the mainstream and in particular the media regard football in this country. As in lack of content in sports news and space in newspaper. Foster also said we are number 1 in this country in terms of participation of the game and our National team is by far better supported than our cricketers, Wallabies or any other national team for that matter. There is no lies here.
We have a world cup coming up. Over 200 nations have played qualifying rounds over the last 4 years to get to this point.
Australia is in with the last 32….why is the media slow to respond? This is the FIFA World Cup and it is uncomparable to any other sport or event in this world. Yet we still have to hear who is injured in the AFL for next week in states that dont care about AFL. Yes in this situation the AFL is the minority, we are not talking about a team from Melbourne, this is a team that represents us all, competing against countries, some, that we have never played in a competition that is embraced by the entire world.
Foz has simply put the gloves on and said hey!!! Where is the balance? Im going to tell how it is and the truth will hurt !
For that, i have the most respect for Foz because no other is willing do it!
will post more later, gotta go.
May 7th 2010 @ 8:59am
Rob said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Socceroos bigger than the Australian cricket team? Pull the other one.
Best not to confuse once in every four year explosion with consistent support.
May 7th 2010 @ 10:35am
Baz35 said | May 7th 2010 @ 10:35am | Report comment
Exactly. The Australian cricket team is playing 1 in every 5 days of the year and at least half of those are on free to air tv.
The socceroos have clearly gone passed the wallabies but lets not get ahead of ourselves
May 7th 2010 @ 10:52am
punter said | May 7th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
There is no doubt about the Australian cricket team in the Australian sych (spelling).
I have always been a big cricket fan, but I know I have waned over the years since 2005.
I rememeber being asked by some English jocks doing some interview with suuporters during the WC in Germany & ask us whether we would like to retain the Ashes or reach the 2nd round of the WC, I said easy, reach the 2nd round of the world’s greatest sporting event.
May 7th 2010 @ 4:18pm
mahony said | May 7th 2010 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
I think if the national football team played about 5 nations over and over and over and over again – I would be sick of them (as I am with the national cricket team. The world of football is a much bigger place, and I for one am glad the Socceroos are not overexposed. Can’t remember the last time I watched cricket. One final thought – was it not the Sweeney organisation that 2 years ago surveyed fans and found the Socceroos to be the biggest national team product?
May 7th 2010 @ 5:26pm
The Other Reds Fan. said | May 7th 2010 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
If it’s ‘football’ shouldn’t they be called the ‘footyroos’?
May 7th 2010 @ 11:54am
JamesP said | May 7th 2010 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Participation is irellevant. USA – Soccer number 1 participation sport and has been for decades.
In Australia, soccer is up there with swimming and netball…so what?
Comparisons to the cricket team are just plain wrong – wallabies maybe, but not cricket…
May 7th 2010 @ 6:05am
Tifosi said | May 7th 2010 @ 6:05am | Report comment
Foz and les will need to keep the rhetoric down during the world cup.
At the moment the majority of australians wouldn’t have a clue on about “the code wars” being played out here on the internet.
However if les and foz during the world cup, rant on about how the other codes are destroying the world cup bid, that all the other football codes are meaningless and don’t count etc, in front of a nationwide TV audience then people will be switching off in droves.
An example.
Les, over on the The World Game website, in an opinion piece stated that the Melbourne Storm salary cap breach was a “Non-event” and didn’t mean anything in the context of sport and couldn’t understand why it was generating so much news coverage.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing i have heard from him and he has said some stupid things in the past.
Say that on National TV during a world cup and see what would happen.
Nobody wants to hear it, least of all me. Thankfully ill be in Las Vegas for the start of the tournament though !!
May 7th 2010 @ 7:36am
Mr Cheese said | May 7th 2010 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Agreed:
I saw that clip. Les Murray ( not the poet ) seemed to say that the Storm scandal was not relevant because it’s in the “globally insignificant” sport of Rugby League.
I can see how that would put people off.
Over here in England, I think that people would be puzzled by a sports broadcaster who told us we should like basketball or US football because they’re popular in America.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:04am
Kurt said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:04am | Report comment
VEGAS BABY!!!! I wish I could give you some suggestions on good places to watch sport but my last visit to Vegas was a 72 hour long drunken haze that ended with me trying to pay a large bar bill at the Bellagio with a credit card that my bank had helpfully suspended due to ‘unusual transaction patterns’. Alas the card had been in my possession the entire time…
May 7th 2010 @ 9:12am
Redb said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Kurt, so it was you that inspired the Hangover?
Love Vegas, going back next year.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:23am
Kurt said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:23am | Report comment
No arrests or missing persons as yet. I love it too, but anything more than three days in that place can send a man insane.
May 7th 2010 @ 6:06am
rovingto2011 said | May 7th 2010 @ 6:06am | Report comment
i like Foz he sticks up for our game and doesn’t hold back at all… for too long football people have been wallflowers, unwilling to offend the delicate sensibilities of the average AFL/NRL spruiker (god forbid).
“In his interview, Foster dogmatically stated something he has mentioned before – that there are not, in fact, four codes of football in Australia.
This claim is not only breathtakingly arrogant and intentionally provocative, but is not even historically factual.”
He’s actually RIGHT when u look at it from an international perspective (as us football fans are prone to do). Nowhere else in the world are other sports commonly referred to as “Football codes”. Even England where RL has some presence.
Foz’s shtick may be designed to shock the locals, but in this instance he is actually on the money. Even if it conflicts with the News Limited and Fairfax style guides.
May 7th 2010 @ 8:02am
Phil E Buster said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:02am | Report comment
“Nowhere else in the world are other sports commonly referred to as “Football codes”
I’m afraid you’re wrong. In the US, for example, if you mention football they will not think you are referring to the round ball code.
Fozzie is setting up a straw man for himself to knock down when he talks about Football referring to kicking the ball. He should know better. By the way, I found it hilarious when he said that when he dies his first choice for where to have his ashes scattered is the Nou Camp. He really is a Barca nut.
May 7th 2010 @ 12:12pm
rovingto2011 said | May 7th 2010 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
in the US, they have one ‘football’ … the handegg style gridiron, no sports are referred to as ‘football codes’ … football is ‘sarker’ but i guess thats Planet America for you
Ireland has Gaelic rules, NZ are just rugby nuts.
May 7th 2010 @ 12:42pm
Phil E Buster said | May 7th 2010 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
I don’t know if you have ever actually visited the US. rovingto2011, but I have several times, in fact I will be there (in Hawaii) during the World Cup. I assure you they do refer to ‘football codes’ in conversation and in print (example below).
http://homepage.smc.edu/morris_pete/papersandpresentations/main/footballinusa_assets/footballintheusa.pdf
May 7th 2010 @ 1:37pm
rovingto2011 said | May 7th 2010 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
we must be talking to different Americans, and reading/watching different US media outlets then
May 7th 2010 @ 9:03am
Rob said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:03am | Report comment
In Australia, America, Canada, Ireland and New Zealand the word “football” is ambiguous.
So apart from 90% of the English speaking world you are spot on…
May 7th 2010 @ 10:29am
BigAl said | May 7th 2010 @ 10:29am | Report comment
. . . ‘He’s actually RIGHT when u look at it from an international perspective’
The problem is though 90% of those he addresses approach it from an Australian perspective ! – funny that.
May 7th 2010 @ 6:15am
rovingto2011 said | May 7th 2010 @ 6:15am | Report comment
a link to the Foz interview on the J’s, with thanks to twg …
part 1
part 2
May 7th 2010 @ 7:09pm
Cpaaa said | May 7th 2010 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
Thanks Roving for posting the link, i thought i had missed it.
May 7th 2010 @ 8:10am
JF said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Foz has every right to his opinions, but soccer fans in Australia should not be surprised at the levels of indifference toward the game from the sporting public while he is the mouthpiece for the sport. “The other codes are physical games, with limited skill”, well done Foz, you continue to help your sport maintain its low levels of cultural significance and public interest in this country.
May 7th 2010 @ 8:16am
Hamish Alcorn said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Absolutely agree. The football code ‘wars’ remind me of the antipathy of The Judean People’s Front and the People’s Front of Judea. It’s as if the other football codes are the only things competing with soccer for competition. We don’t mind the Australian kids going into tennis, swimming, golf, chess, drama, extreme sports or ballet, as long as they don’t play with an egg ball. Let’s hear it for our great, active, sporting country, and all its activities. Our indiginous football code (AFL) is unique and a brilliant game in its own right. For my money soccer is by far the best game, but if peole are engaged with any sport I’m happy – it’s great for our country and our kids. Obesity and apathy should be the enemy far above any other sporting code.
And can we please, please cut the Orwellian plee, “It’s not soccer, it’s football.” It’s a great way to, a) look stupid, b) piss off Australians who might otherwise be interested to have a look out our beautiful game and, c) be utterly wrong. “A Rose by any other name smells just as sweet.”
May 7th 2010 @ 10:58am
Gordon said | May 7th 2010 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Hamish this is the only sensible post on this thread so far. I am more than happy for someone to promote their favourite sport to the rest of the country. But by doing it with petty and small minded attacks on other sports, Foster is only cheapening his own reputation and the reputation of soccer in australia.
May 7th 2010 @ 8:24am
Mister Football said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:24am | Report comment
No one has done more to galvanise the AFL in its response to the bid than Fos.
Well done Fos!!
May 7th 2010 @ 10:52am
Baz35 said | May 7th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Fos has has done next to nothing to galvanise the AFL in response to the bid
You could argue the FFA have but in reality the AFL is a hyper professional organisation which was always going to pursue its games best interest
May 7th 2010 @ 8:36am
punter said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:36am | Report comment
I tend to agree with Kurt, yes Foz is an opinion writer & a controversial one at that, he not only polarises fans of other codes, but also football fans alike. There are many in the football world who wishes his agenda driven rubbish to go away.
I however, am on the other side, while I don’t always agree with what he says & definately not in his method, alot of what is says especially about football, he is 100% correct, it’s just some people don’t want to hear about, hence an opinion writer. In Rugby League, the equivalent is Phil Gould. I don’t know enough about AFL writers to comment there.
As for his comments about other sport, take that with a pinch of salt, ‘soccer’ in this country has also copped quite abit from the AFL & NRL opinion writers over many years, & yes we also need to now take with a pinch of salt.
The game of football in this country is now big enough, yes I know not as big as Aussie Rules or Rugby League, but big enough that people have started taking notice of the Socceroos, the A-League & the football journalists in this country & not the laughing joke it was 10 years ago.
May 7th 2010 @ 8:45am
JF said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Gould may be controversial, but he is nowhere near Foz in terms of obsession with alternative codes of football. Roy Masters is the only RL writer who comes close, and he is only obsessed with the AFL. Foz doesn’t even bother to differentiate between RL, RU and AF, he constantly just refers to them as ‘the other codes’ – he has no peer in this regard.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:05am
punter said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Yes I’m saying that Gould polarises RL fans same as Foz polarises football fans & agree that Gould doesn’t refer much to the other codes like Foz.
As for him having no peers, don’t you know Rebecca Wilson & twin Caroline, what about Peter Fitzsimmons’s lack of love for RL & Football. then you have your AFL writers like Sheenan, Hinds & afew more. Mr Channel Nine sports personality referred to Pim as Tim afew times during the WC qualifications.
The socceroos & the A-League & even the EPL are all on Foxtel & the mouthpiece for football are equally on Foxtel as well as SBS, but Foz is regarded as the mouthpiece because he is controversial on other sports.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:21am
Kurt said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:21am | Report comment
What is this odd tendency to lump Caroline Wilson in with Rebecca? I’ve read forums where they get mixed up completely and people start raging about Caro’s alleged hatred for soccer etc. I can honestly not recall a single article she has ever written about anything other than AFL – and if you think they’re all positive, think again.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:34am
punter said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
I think it’s more her comments on the ABC show ‘Offsiders’ that get football fans lumping her with Rebecca.
As for positive articles, I’m not that stupid to think AFL writers do not put the boot into their own game.
I have no issues about negative articles about football or any other sports as long as the writer has some credibility in that sport.
If I write a negative article on AFL, well I’m open to slather, because, I’m no writer, nor do I have any credibility in AFL because it’s not a game I love with passion.
May 7th 2010 @ 11:14am
BigAl said | May 7th 2010 @ 11:14am | Report comment
The essence of good jounalism is objectivness and accuracy – not ‘…love with passion’
That in fact could be a recipe for bad journalism.
I have not seen Caroline Wilson on ‘Offsiders’ but I would consider her a good sports jounalist.
Like Richard Hinds, when she writes/comments about soccer she approaches it from the Australian Sporting landscape perspective.
rather than an ‘insider’ with technical and indepth local-political knowledge of the set-up.
This could well be a bit too esoteric for some, particularly those blinded by passion, leading them to take offense, but I firmly believe their work is professional and definately non-tabloid.
I know Mike Shean has written a couple of articles where he has stated that soccer …’bores him…’ etc. and a lot of citics hang their
‘ anti soccah journo’ hat on these, but I would invite you to provide examples of other AFL jounalists and their work which displays anywhere near the tabloid vitriol of Fozzie & Roys Masters
May 7th 2010 @ 12:04pm
punter said | May 7th 2010 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
BigAl, like I said I read alot Foz’s articles, he goes on about his love of the beautiful game instead of the physical side of the game, he loves the Spanish sides & hates most of the English sides.
He annoys alot of football fans especially those in English & Scottish league fans.
But the odd snipe against other sports just don’t register with me.
May 7th 2010 @ 12:06pm
Michael C said | May 7th 2010 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Punter -
the ‘credibility’ within that sport get’s stretched though when -
people are trying to ‘grow’ their game and appeal to others – - then, the opinions of these ‘others’ hold validity.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:29am
Baz35 said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:29am | Report comment
There is simply no Australian football writer who comes close to Foster’s rabid obsession with other codes. Mike Sheehan has probably written one or two boring articles full of old school tired cliches about soccer but he simply doesn’t come close to the evangelical obsession of the likes of Foster and Roy Masters.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:31am
JF said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:31am | Report comment
“There is simply no Australian football writer who comes close to Foster’s rabid obsession with other codes.”
You beat me to it Baz.
May 7th 2010 @ 9:38am
Matt83 said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:38am | Report comment
“Foster’s rabid obsession with other codes”
Please, his obsession is with Barcelona, using the words “Technical and Tactical” every
chance he gets and big tie knots.
Every interview he does outside Soccer circles always will ask him a question about the
war of the codes.
What answer would you expect from a former Socceroo?
“Oh, yeah I completely wasted my life with Soccer, I should’ve played AFL”.
May 7th 2010 @ 5:25pm
JamesP said | May 7th 2010 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Matt83 – what answer would I expect from him:?
Hmmm…how about something like “Well Aussie Rules is not my cup of tea…soccer is my sport of choice for this and that reasons…each to their own”
You can have shades of grey you know….
May 7th 2010 @ 9:38am
punter said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:38am | Report comment
I read most of what Foz says & really don’t see this rabid obsession with other codes you see, but hey this is a forum.
He is scathing on football in Australia, football in England & ugly football & loves Bracelona (who doesn’t). the prettiest football side I have seen.
May 7th 2010 @ 10:37am
apaway said | May 7th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Rebecca Wilson is an uneducated waste of space. Peter Fitzsimons is really funny, and I actually enjoy his banter directed towards football. He has the gumption to tell it like it is if his own game is lacking.
I’m not sure the football community elected Craig Foster as spokesperson for the game, but bear in mind he is every bit as critical towards aspects of it than he is dismissive of the other codes. My problem is that he seems to dismiss league, rugby and AFL without showing much understanding of those sports. If he looked a little harder, he might see something he appreciates.
May 7th 2010 @ 12:44pm
Ken said | May 7th 2010 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
I think that’s a fair call on Fitzsimons – I’m a league supporter and he certainly doesn’t mind having a dig at the leaguies but it seems mostly good natured and he certainly doesn’t pull punches when referring to his own code either. While anyone with an agenda could pull some juicy quotes from his writing I think in context he’s far removed from the sort of vitriol we are referring to here.
May 7th 2010 @ 1:02pm
JF said | May 7th 2010 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
SBS is a major part of soccer in Australia, Foster is the chief soccer analyst on SBS, rightly or wrongly he is the voice for soccer in Australia for many of us.
May 8th 2010 @ 9:24am
Anthony said | May 8th 2010 @ 9:24am | Report comment
The football commentators in Melbourne are much more open-minded about the other codes than their counterparts in other sports, & esp Sydney. See Greg Baum’s article about the opening of AAMI Park last night.
May 7th 2010 @ 1:13pm
DaMan3000 said | May 7th 2010 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
re “a lot of what he says … he is 100% correct,” … SEX PANTHER – 60% of the time, it works EVERY time!
May 7th 2010 @ 8:50am
st.penguin said | May 7th 2010 @ 8:50am | Report comment
“…he reasoned, “there is only one code of football” because the other three codes primarily use their hands”
I really hate it when people use that argument, thanks for giving me something to come back with!
May 7th 2010 @ 5:27pm
JamesP said | May 7th 2010 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
I usually come back with “Aussie Rules is the only code where you MUST use your feet to score a goal”