The Gall of these (cultured) Gauls

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    Except for an hour-long stopover in Auckland en route to Disneyland many years ago, I’ve never visited New Zealand.

    But I have been to France twice. And I know I will go there again before I ever venture to the land of our ANZAC brothers.

    Love does these things to you.

    I also knew before kick off last Sunday that I would not be supporting our black-robed neighbours. When Les Bleus (or, for this match at least, Les Blancs) began the advance on their dancing warrior opponents I knew I had made the right choice.

    The manoeuvre expressed perfectly the feisty, complex and unpredictable nature of the Gaul.

    Their V formation could have represented many things. An arrow (it would have been too difficult to mimic the arsenal of their great armies: the musket and cannon), the head of a spear – threatening the throat-slitting Maoris with their own weapon, or theflanking manoeuvre used by Napoleon to decimate the Russians and Austrians at Austerlitz.

    Perhaps it was just a flock of Strasbourg geese.

    Was the holding of hands in long white socks a homoerotic gesture designed to unnerve the New Zealanders in their macho posturing? Could the dressing in the all-white of England have been a ploy to taunt the indigenous players with a re-creation of the colonial invasion of their land?

    “France, misunderstood, incomprehensible, were magnificent!” trumpeted The Guardian.

    The modern phrase “surrender monkeys” coined by Homer Simpson is used now to describe the French for their meek capitulation to the Germans in 1940, but they had the self-sacrificing men and women of the Resistance, as ruthless in their pursuit of liberty as the Nazis were in propagating their version of genocidal fascism.

    Of course, their ruthlessness in pursuing liberty also found them running around during the Reign of Terror with the heads of royalists on sticks.

    The great Marcel Proust didn’t let debilitating asthma prevent him from fulfilling his literary aspirations. Forced to sleep during the day because of the dust he wrote his masterpiece in bed at night.

    And he did it in true Gallic style, ordering takeout from the Ritz.

    Its modern incarnation resides in the ruck – as Wallaby John Eales’ right eye in 1999 and All Black Wayne Shelford’s scrotum in 1986 found out.

    With the Frenchies deserved reputation as both gourmets ( delicate refined palates) and gourmands (truffling pigs that eat anything that moves – or swings) it was a wonder Shelford’s shelled testicle wasn’t sampled before being sewn back into its leathery pouch

    As a player, if I was asked to choose between the mighty Canterbury Crusaders (‘gateway to the Antarctic’, lettuce & tomato sandwiches, stubbies of Canterbury Lager) and the lowly Bordeaux-Bègles (gateway to the Bay of Biscay, lamb with truffles, $1000 bottles of Mouton Rothschild), I know where I’d be going – south-west France thank you very much.

    As with cycling, rugby doesn’t hold much interest for the skinny artistic Parisians.

    It’s largely a game of the South played by the burly sons of peasants force-fed, like foie gras geese, with their mother’s provincial fare that leaves no part of a slaughtered animal uneaten.

    With a cuisine swimming in fat and cholesterol (thanks to the addition of endless “nurbs” of butter) and breakfasts comprising a couple of Gitanes and a short black, the French shouldn’t succeed in any sport really.

    Les Bleus shouldn’t have reached the final.

    They have warring factions within the team, and the coach and players don’t respect each other: the former telling the latter they were “a bunch of spoiled brats, undisciplined, disobedient, sometimes selfish, always complaining, always whingeing”.

    Hey, I thought the French would take that as a compliment.

    They did go out drinking after beating Wales but it was Veuve Cliquot, not any old plonk. OK, lock Pascal Pape did spit at photographers outside Pastis, Auckland’s renowned French restaurant, but his lambs brains had been overcooked.

    The paltry scores in the playoffs were proof of the importance of great defence and mental strength in the World Cup which the French have in spades. Their present mood isn’t conducive to attacking flair.

    Captain Thierry Dusautoir after the semi final win against Wales and in front of a booing Eden Park crowd admitted: We were mentally strong and it is not always skills and combinations that win games. A lot of it is mental, maybe we needed more skills.

    Today we won this match because of our defence. We didn’t play so much rugby but we played with our hearts”.

    It mirrored his comments following the side’s tough win over Ireland in the Six Nations: “I would give my team five out of ten for management but ten for spirit.”

    Heart, spirit, and bit of thuggery. Oh, and bit of decent technology too: a big computer residing in The National Centre of Rugby that replicates the scrummaging techniques of all their opponents.

    They’re temperamental, precious, self obsessed and they whine a lot.

    But they whine in the most beautiful language on earth. They pronounce ‘eaux’ as ‘o’. They made the Citroen DS and gave us the film Le Samourai.

    They’re mad, these Frenchmen, and I love them for it. That would change very quickly, I’m sure, if I found myself in the ruck with them.

    P.S. So Auckland has a decent French restaurant and Christchurch has a Belgian beer cafe. Perhaps I’ll arrange a stopover on my next trip to Paris.

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    • October 30th 2011 @ 7:07am
      Gaullois said | October 30th 2011 @ 7:07am | ! Report

      Bonjour et merci pour cet article de la part d’un Gaullois, en plus du sud-ouest de Toulouse (meilleur équipe de club du monde) 😉 I hope that you will be able tio read the French ! ?

      Enfin un peu de respect de la part d’un journaliste de l’hémisphere sud, cela compensera un peu par rapport aux insultes que nous subissons de la part de la presse (pas de l’hémisphère Nord) des Alls Blacks et des NZ en général. On dirait qu’ils cherchent à inverser les fautes de la finale pour justifier la victoire non méritée. La honte sur Joubert qui avec des origines françaises semble lui en avoir honte. Il a été ouvert certes mais que dans un sens et cela les NZ ne veulent pas le voir. Ils n’ont pas d’honneur de croire que le V durant le haka est un signe de non respect alors que c’est tout l’inverse puisque nous avons répondu à une danse de défi comme il le fallait, c’est à dire comme des guerriers. Ils pourraient payer l’amende pour nous et nous dire merci de les avoir laissé jouer en noir. Ils pourraient s’excuser de ne pas nous avoir salué aprés le match aussi, ce serait la moindre des choses quand une finale est donnée par un arbitre malhonnête. Certes nous parlerions Anglais cela aura été peut-être différent, car Mc Caw n’a pas cessé de le faire alors que Dussautoir a essayé une fois et l’arbitre l’a envoyé voir ailleurs. Je pense que le prochain match il y aura de la revanche dans l’air mais l’on ne cherchera pas à gagner mais à casser du Black. Notre guerrier pour cela est CHABAL “ouah ! ouah! ” comme dans le film “300”, il va en mettre KO quelque uns des pauvres Blacks. Ils vont manger de la soupe durant un bon moment. Mc Caw en tête de liste j’éspères, car c’est le plus grand tricheur que je n’ai jamais vu, c’est une honte cet homme pour les Blacks et pour le monde du rugby.
      Bien sincèrement à vous.

      • October 30th 2011 @ 11:15am
        Tissot Time said | October 30th 2011 @ 11:15am | ! Report

        Ne jamias oublier Gaullois! Honte a vous Francais pour qu’il Rainbow Warrior. Donc ne pas aller sur le sujet de l’arbitre avec une telle histoire glorieuse! Bonne journee

        • October 31st 2011 @ 7:58am
          Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 7:58am | ! Report

          Sorry everybody but you know I can(t write when I sleep, we have few hours less as you.

          So Tissot Time, ahahaha and you forget Napoleon, the french revolution first republic, the public school, help to american to be american (against English, Statue de la liberté / Statue of liberty (Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi yes it’s a french present to american people), the rights of man (universal now, by Jean-Jacques Le Barbier in 1789), le code civil (universal now), le soutien-gorge (bra maybe the english word?) (Herminie Cadolle), vaccines against rabies (Louis Pasteur) and others virus, viagra (yes it’s a french scientific which works for an american compagny), isolate the SIDA virus (again a french), the pay or credit card with processor, the café shop, the machine washing ( French inventor but persone machine does in France he goes to the USA.), the Concorde, the A380, molded candle (1600aj), newspaper (1605aj), blood tranfusion, the first steam machine and the boat steam (D. PAPIN), Champagne, lift (De Velayer), Keeps food (vacuum box I don’t know the english word by Nicolas Appert), Parachute (Louis-Sébastien Lenormand), locomotive steam, Sewing machine (Bartholomew Thimonnier), match phosphoric, Braille system (Louis Braille), Cement modern (Louis Vicat), Photographic lens (Chevalier), Photovoltaic cell, Antoine Becquerel 1839 ahahah ecology it’s not new), Reinforced concrete (Joseph Monier), Rechargeable battery (lead-acid battery by Gaston Planté), Gas absorption refrigerator (Ferdinand Carré and not a swedish man), Moto (Louis-Guillaume Perreaux), Fragrance component synthesis (Aimé Guerlain), Removable pneumatic tube (Edouard Michelin), Helicopter (Paul Cornu), animated film (Emile Courtet), Sonar (Paul Langevin), Radar (Emile Girardeau), Personal Computer (François Gernelle), tested for AIDS (Institut Pasteur)…and so more, you can verify on “http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d’inventions_fran%C3%A7aises”. And our gastonomy, high fashion, luxury and our great writers (A. Dumas, J.Vernes, La Fontaine ….. etc) AND YOU ? SO RESPECT small man.

          BUT IT’S NOT AN HISTORY FORUM BUT A RUGBY FORUM ! So do not be angry because you have won thanks to the referee and you were afraid of us. Yes sir !

          • October 31st 2011 @ 9:24am
            Tissot Time said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:24am | ! Report

            Afraid non…Le respect yes.
            Thank you for the history of French achievements and I was only following your thread of shame with respect to the referee. In time you too will be able to include RWC champions in your list and in the meantime enjoy the wait.

            • October 31st 2011 @ 10:26am
              Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 10:26am | ! Report

              4 dimension your comment ! You write on our history to defend the referee ? Euh Ok, but I’m not sure to be able to understand you (NZ) ….

              Ah OK, Rougerie sank the boat, right? No maybe Parra or Dussautoir ? I understood ?
              Oh we are so sorry to be this bad country which has committed all the evil in the world. YES WE ARE GUILTY ! I do not know what but to calm down you.
              So strange these NZ !!!

              No wait, the next challenge will be a test match as usually each year. No victory just break ABs for this direspect.

              • October 31st 2011 @ 12:32pm
                Tissot Time said | October 31st 2011 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                Mon Vieux je respecte Les Bleus votre opinion et mons avis different quant a l’arbitre laisse ainisi de faire la paix. Bonne chance pour la prochaine fois Les Bleus jouent Les Noirs.

              • November 1st 2011 @ 7:20am
                Gaullois said | November 1st 2011 @ 7:20am | ! Report

                I agree this Tissot Time.

      • October 30th 2011 @ 3:06pm
        kiwidave said | October 30th 2011 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

        Gaullois, we (NZ) did not fine you for the V. That was the IRB, headed by one of your countryman. A New Zealand news show campbell live, managed to collect over $1000 in small change from New Zealanders in the street to help pay your fine (I hope it arrived).

        As for the referee, this leaves us even for 2007 when you were handed the game by the referee.

        Apologies I can read french with difficulty, but writing it is beyond me.

        • October 31st 2011 @ 8:10am
          Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 8:10am | ! Report

          Bonjour kiwidave,

          So I try to write english, j’éspères sans trop de fautes.

          Yes I know this, not the V but go out of the line (as Ali Williams but nothing for him no ?). Thanks for this collect it’s great but it will be better if done by the ABs team. We’re wainting again the thanks for the color (We have accepted that the ABs play to black and to remove our blue t-shirts that is very impoortant) and that your ABs manager or captain welcomes our French team because he didn’t done after the match, direspect.
          During 2007 match, not all the match was like the 2011 final, here is a full shame. Think that you’re french and you see this final, one referee nerver seen the ABs error but see all French. Not 1 or 2 times but everytime, scandalous !!!

    • October 30th 2011 @ 8:02am
      Aaron said | October 30th 2011 @ 8:02am | ! Report

      Very classy mate. Hope you feel better about yourself now.

      • October 31st 2011 @ 8:17am
        Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 8:17am | ! Report

        Aaron,

        There isn’t vulgarity in my french write ! What do you want say ? Maybe you have bad traduction…. And I’ll feel me better after the next challenge between ABs and us… CHABAL is nervous after this final he wants show wich team is the better (for breaking I hope and yes I assume this part).

        • November 3rd 2011 @ 10:00am
          Mike said | November 3rd 2011 @ 10:00am | ! Report

          Gaullois,

          Quest-ce qu’il ce passe avec le Seabass? Est-ce que nous le reverrons?

          Félicitations a les Bleus pour leur effort preux mais raté.

          • November 4th 2011 @ 6:10am
            Gaullois said | November 4th 2011 @ 6:10am | ! Report

            Seabass, you want say CHABAL ? I hope we will see it again. He had a problem with the french federation before the WC, it’s because the manager didn’t get him.

            But I hope we’ll see him again.

            Efforts preux, oui avec Monsieur JOUBERT c’était impossible.

            You know what NZ ? It’s crazy because Joubert will be a ref of the next 6 nation tournment and during the last match France Vs Walsh. IRB is crazy to do this. Maybe he’ll give us the match “redemption” but we don’t want of his culpability.

    • October 30th 2011 @ 8:33am
      katzilla said | October 30th 2011 @ 8:33am | ! Report

      I just saw the new 3 musketeers movie!
      I also consider myself an expert on all things French, did you know that D’Artagnan had an American accent, and in fact that all French in the 1600s spoke English! (When did they start speaking French?)
      And that their English nemesis was Legolas from Lord of the Rings?!?! (I didn’t know they had elves in England!)

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        October 30th 2011 @ 2:49pm
        Rabbitz said | October 30th 2011 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

        (When did they start speaking French?)

        Officially, 1539. However this was only in the public service.

        It took many decades for the population to move away from their many and varied original languages.

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          October 30th 2011 @ 8:24pm
          Andrew Sutherland said | October 30th 2011 @ 8:24pm | ! Report

          Gaullois,

          Merci beaucoup!

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          October 30th 2011 @ 8:27pm
          Andrew Sutherland said | October 30th 2011 @ 8:27pm | ! Report

          Rabbitz,

          I think its time for everyone to speak French!

          • October 31st 2011 @ 8:30am
            Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 8:30am | ! Report

            Thanks again Andrew.

            Encore merci Andrew. Le prochain commentaire est adressé à Katzilla bien sûr pas à vous. Respect Monsieur, je vous salue bien bas.

      • October 31st 2011 @ 8:27am
        Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 8:27am | ! Report

        AhAhAh… I still prefer British humor your is very (difficult to find a word for this) retarded adolescent. But sorry, maybe you’re an adolescent this explains everything.

        So you have seen a french story Les 3 Mousquetaires in a movie theater. For your culture cinéma/film invented by the brothers Lumiere (oups ! a french)

        AhAhAh I laught too much, can you continu please it’s so good !

        • October 31st 2011 @ 8:49am
          katzilla said | October 31st 2011 @ 8:49am | ! Report

          What a great reply! Thank you, your comment deserves a quote from my favourite Frenchman of all time – Marcel Marceau

          ‘…….’

          • October 31st 2011 @ 9:16am
            Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:16am | ! Report

            I cant’ continu to play with you, it’s too late here I must go to put childrens to bed.

            So you know an other french now, my name is Eric. Thank you for making me laugh so much. Happy that you like my reply 😉

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            October 31st 2011 @ 9:16am
            Andrew Sutherland said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:16am | ! Report

            And katzilla you musn’t forget the great words of Monsieur Hulot: ‘……..!’

            • October 31st 2011 @ 10:33am
              katzilla said | October 31st 2011 @ 10:33am | ! Report

              Haha,
              Did you know in the English version that Christopher Lee did all the voice Dubs?
              Just thinking of his car in that movie gives me a good laugh.

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                October 31st 2011 @ 11:11am
                Andrew Sutherland said | October 31st 2011 @ 11:11am | ! Report

                No, I didn’t know there was an English version. Thank god they don’t do them anymore.

                Yes, the car is great and also this scene in the fireworks shed!

    • October 30th 2011 @ 8:48am
      Aaron said | October 30th 2011 @ 8:48am | ! Report

      Anyone who supported fthe french (apart from the french themselves) really were supporting the devaluing of test rugby. France are my least like team in the world, and are a disgrace to world rugby. Peak once every four years and play like pants in between- how can anyone respect or support them?

      • October 30th 2011 @ 9:06am
        Seiran said | October 30th 2011 @ 9:06am | ! Report

        How is supporting the underdogs ‘devaluing test rugby’?

        The French played with spirit in the final, and deserved respect for what was a great performance.

        And as for your comment about france ‘Peak once every four years and play like pants in between’. So what? Over the past four years, this could also relate to the Wallabies, South Africa or Wales. Are they also disgracing world rugby? They all some pretty bad shockers in the last few years but all have bounced back. France are no different.

        • October 30th 2011 @ 10:21am
          Aaron said | October 30th 2011 @ 10:21am | ! Report

          I think the wallabies do try to be at their best most of the time. They are simply not good enough to challenge the likes of the Ab’s due to poor selection and perhaps a lack of talent. Cast your eye back to the EOYT last year where the French lost to Australia by 50 points at home. You rarely if ever see the Ab’s or wallabies putting in such pathetic performances like that, especially at home.

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            October 30th 2011 @ 11:36am
            Seiran said | October 30th 2011 @ 11:36am | ! Report

            Perhaps not at home, but what about the thumping the Wallabies took a few years back in South Africa?

            And please tell me, are you basing your belief of a poor France team soley on tests when they play SH teams or do you actually watch 6 nations tests? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the French came second in the last 6 nations and I think they even won it the year before. Hardly a team that disgraces world rugby.

            I think with all their internal issues thay have been dealing with, the French have done extremely well to get where they are. I even think the French players may have been intentially tanking a few of their tests in the group stages, to pile pressure on their under-performing management team.

          • November 2nd 2011 @ 5:34pm
            Campbell Watts said | November 2nd 2011 @ 5:34pm | ! Report

            Australia getting beaten by Western Samoa???

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        October 30th 2011 @ 9:08am
        stillmissit said | October 30th 2011 @ 9:08am | ! Report

        Agree with a lot you say but they have an ability every so often to beat the AB’s at home and do it well. I think that deserves some respect.

      • October 30th 2011 @ 10:27am
        Professor Rosseforp said | October 30th 2011 @ 10:27am | ! Report

        The French are certainly not a disgrace to world rugby. They were underestimated throughout the world cup competition, but they made it to the finals (unlike more fancied teams), and with an ounce (or perhaps a half gramme) of luck, they could have won. I love to watch the French play. I am used to seeing them throw the ball around with attacking flair, and that is exciting — but in this tournament they obviously studied their opposition well, and had plans to counter the strengths of the opponents. I was amazed at their defensive capability in several games, and wish them “bonne chance” for the next world cup.

        • October 31st 2011 @ 9:05am
          Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:05am | ! Report

          Thanks for us Professor, Aaron is pathetic !!!!
          Maybe he’s angry because the ABs haven’t won with honnor, the victory without Joubert was French it’s sure.

          And he doesn’t know Rugby, yes sometimes we have lost at home but just the manager wanted try a lot of new players, he changed a lot during a lot of matchs for the 6 nations tournoi 2011. The most imùporatant was to be ready for the WC.
          And yes in 2010 we won with the Grand Chelem.
          We know to be ready when it’s necessary and we are never afraid by one team, not like the ABs which have done in their pants !!! Poor boys ! Afraid by true men ?

          Tchao Aaron et au plaisir de te mettre une branlée au stade.

          • October 31st 2011 @ 3:42pm
            Aaron said | October 31st 2011 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

            And this is why your team will never win anything big. With the talent that they have, they should almost have a record as good as the All Blacks. Hope you enjoyed the game against Tonga, where they disgraced your country. I guess us AB’ fans have just got much higher expectations than the rest of you guys. Your comment on Joubert being unfair also confirms that you really know nothing about the game.

          • October 31st 2011 @ 3:54pm
            Aaron said | October 31st 2011 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

            Your second paragraph proves my point. Only the wc matters to you guys and other tests have been devalued. You just lost the argument by admitting that your coach doesn’t think that some games are important.

            • October 31st 2011 @ 10:37pm
              Sandy B said | October 31st 2011 @ 10:37pm | ! Report

              such bitterness – and yet you won. My goodness what if?

              • November 1st 2011 @ 7:28am
                Gaullois said | November 1st 2011 @ 7:28am | ! Report

                Yes because NZ knows that they are not the real winners.

              • November 1st 2011 @ 8:00am
                Aaron said | November 1st 2011 @ 8:00am | ! Report

                Why do you assume it’s bitterness? I want world rugby to be strong, including France and Australia. For that reason, I am dissapointed with France because I think they can be so much better than what they have shown.

              • November 1st 2011 @ 8:02am
                Aaron said | November 1st 2011 @ 8:02am | ! Report

                Gaullois, you are the bitter one. Like I said, Joubert was fine. Watch the game again and tell me that he favoured the AB’s. You won’t be able to.

              • November 4th 2011 @ 6:26am
                Gaullois said | November 4th 2011 @ 6:26am | ! Report

                Aaron,

                I seen it again and YES JOUBERT FAVOURED THE ABS OF COURSE… And FYI know that as you 3 nations we have here NH the VI nations tournment and we won it 7 times (if not erreor it’s the record). And each WC we’re in the last four or two.

                It was impossible to make better in NZ because of your shameful harassment with the press and the shameful behaviour of yours people AND OF COURSE JOUBERT the new ABs !
                And after the game your team had no more respect than the rest elsewhere. Nothing for other team final after, never it was like this in the previous WC. No thanks for having played in black with the French. I regret especially this, a NZ team that before I respected.
                What do you think about this last paragraph ? Never your advise about it, why ?

              • November 4th 2011 @ 6:36am
                Jerry said | November 4th 2011 @ 6:36am | ! Report

                Get over it, for fuxache. You’re sounding like a little girl.

            • October 31st 2011 @ 11:47pm
              Rob9 said | October 31st 2011 @ 11:47pm | ! Report

              Port Elizabeth 2011. The AB’s sent in a B team against an under-cooked boks side that they more than likely would have beaten if they have sent in their big guns. Surely with the opinions you hold regarding the French ‘devaluing’ test Rugby, you’d have to admit this move by the AB’s effectively devalued test Rugby and the Tri Nations tournament. They effectively gave up at least a shot at a Tri Nations title to rest and save their top players a trip halfway across the globe while giving those outside the starting 15 some game time. Please don’t kid yourself into thinking they would have sent a B team into bat in Tri Nations fixture in a non world cup year. I don’t think they should run the Tri Nations in world cup years to avoid these less than desireable situations but the fact remains the AB’s are no angels when it comes to making tactical selections and risking defeat for the sake of ‘the big picture’, which whether you like it or not, the RWC is these days.

      • October 30th 2011 @ 10:48am
        Football United said | October 30th 2011 @ 10:48am | ! Report

        wah wah no one likes new zealand! wah wah. quit whinging and go build a bridge. everyone wanted france to win because they played with self belief and that new zealanders acted like a pack of feral apes during the cup.

        • October 30th 2011 @ 11:56am
          Aaron said | October 30th 2011 @ 11:56am | ! Report

          Yes, you are a smart one. Name me one instance over the last four years where Richie and co have been arrogant, talked themseleves up and gloated after victories? The wallabies on the other hand, even with their pathetic record have done this on more than a few occasions. Have you watched a game of rugby in your life?

          • October 30th 2011 @ 12:40pm
            AussieKiwi said | October 30th 2011 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

            Mate, please don’t feed the trolls. There are those posters who are rude, patronising etc, because they’ve worked themselves up into a lather about something, and there are those who are deliberately offensive in the hope of getting a response and starting a flame war. “Football United”s post above was the archetypal troll post. Best starved of oxygen.

            • October 30th 2011 @ 2:36pm
              Football United said | October 30th 2011 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

              and how would aarons original post not be seen as delibrately offensive or rude? some people didn’t want nz to win for whatever reason and aaron over multiple threads has indicated that he can’t seem to accept that

              • October 30th 2011 @ 2:50pm
                AussieKiwi said | October 30th 2011 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

                You are right it was a bit OTT. I was having a cranky morning working, saw the words “new zealanders acted like a pack of feral apes” and failed to follow my own advice re not giving oxygen.

                I actually thought the article was a witty, affectionate, warts and all prortrait of the French.

              • October 31st 2011 @ 9:26am
                Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:26am | ! Report

                Aussie Kiwi,

                No it’s not for the french, the comment of Football United and I think he’s not French but Englsih maybe.

                ME I’m French and I say BRAVO ! BRAVO to Football United. Yes man (Cantonoa, Zidane and Platini are is the grreatest players). Ouha CANTONA (for you if you’re fan of Manchester United or Leeds of course).

          • October 30th 2011 @ 5:32pm
            Rob9 said | October 30th 2011 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

            Have you watched a game of Rugby in your life?? Your rubbish comments regarding the French suggest not. Seems that despite just holding on last Sunday, someone still hasnt got over 99′ and 07′.

            • October 31st 2011 @ 9:28am
              Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:28am | ! Report

              And have you play to Rugby ? Me yes of course.

            • October 31st 2011 @ 9:29am
              Gaullois said | October 31st 2011 @ 9:29am | ! Report

              And have you played to Rugby ? Me yes

            • October 31st 2011 @ 4:02pm
              Aaron said | October 31st 2011 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

              Again, your obsession about the wc’s are concerning and devaluing rugby. Why couldn’t you quote NZ’s 33-12 record over the French over the years? This was the basis of my argument, I don’t respect the French because they don’t take all their games seriously and only really care about wc’s.

              • October 31st 2011 @ 6:31pm
                Rob9 said | October 31st 2011 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

                What I will quote Aaron is that the French have the best record of all NH teams against the Wallabies and the ABs and the 2nd best against the boks. Since the game turned pro they’ve won the 5/6 nations 7 times, more than any other team and dare I mention, they’ve only fallen out of the race to bill only once before the semi finals. An achievement only matched by the AB’s. Their strong results between wc’s (which you seem to neglect to recognise) and their (overall) consistency at the games premier tournament paints is a picture of an impressive record that commands respect. Taking this into account, your snobby comments would suggest NH nations should give up on rugby, the world cup should be scrapped and the tri nations should recognised as the games world championship from here on in. You’ve talked about people supporting the French are supporting the devaluing of test rugby. It seems to me your ignorant opinion of the game outside the SH is doing that to a tee. I ‘ll agree when the French are bad, they’re terrible. But that’s the French and I wouldnt change an ounce of their unpredictability for the world. They bring so much to world rugby and their test and world cup record (which you’re warping around to build a case for a seriously flawed argument) is a testiment to this.

              • November 1st 2011 @ 7:39am
                Gaullois said | November 1st 2011 @ 7:39am | ! Report

                Thanks Rob9. Aaron have no rugby culture. He look this only on the TV I think. Here in Toulouse we live the rugby. Aaron, do you know the team “Stade Toulousain” ? No, but this french club won each time against a SH. This team is the better team club of the world since more 30 years.

                Do you know that a lot SH players come in the french championnat ? Why ? Not because we don’t know play but because it’s the best actually. Better than your in SH. French flair, you know it’s crasy, we can loose against a small team because we can fell us superior but when we want win we can do to everybody. (Euh except against Joubert of couse)

              • November 1st 2011 @ 8:11am
                Aaron said | November 1st 2011 @ 8:11am | ! Report

                Gaullois.

                You are agin admitting that when you want to, you can beat anyone…That’s my point exactly. Why don’t you take that mindset to every game! I think you misunderstood me, I am not saying that the French can’t play rugby…the total opposite in fact. I’m saying that at their best, they can beat anyone and are on par with the Ab’s…Unfortunately they don’t bring their A game out half the time and hence I have so little respect for them. Your onsession with Joubert is really making you look like a sore loser btw. I bet you you have only watched the game once.

              • November 4th 2011 @ 6:32am
                Gaullois said | November 4th 2011 @ 6:32am | ! Report

                No I seen it again. It’s the same advice. JOUBERT is an ABs

              • November 4th 2011 @ 6:35am
                Gaullois said | November 4th 2011 @ 6:35am | ! Report

                An error in mpy english “advice” is not the good word (because it seems à “avis” in french). It was “point of view” sorry.

          • October 31st 2011 @ 3:10pm
            Galaxy Hop said | October 31st 2011 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

            Since we’re referring to the World Cup, you could hardly say the Wallabies have a pathetic record. Winning twice (away from home), coming second in another, third in the most recent and semi-finalists in the first one. There are some concrete things right there to counter your diatribe. As for the arrogance and temperament of teams, we may even agree there, but it could be debated forever with no real conclusive evidence. And not to be rude Aaron, but if there was an objective adjudication of such a discussion, I hardly think your arguments are strong enough to win, even if I may agree with your sentiments.

            • October 31st 2011 @ 3:44pm
              Aaron said | October 31st 2011 @ 3:44pm | ! Report

              No, he was refering to All bLack arrogfance which I think is laughable considering they have been a very humble team under Richie McCaw.

              • November 1st 2011 @ 5:06am
                Damo said | November 1st 2011 @ 5:06am | ! Report

                NZ has had a very humble team under McCaw …in the humble opinion of NZ’ers
                All jokes aside the AB’s do seem like a bunch of grounded blokes mostly. Like most pro rugby players, including Quade.
                But NZ fans? Dunno …. Is there a humility meter out there somewhere? NZers seem to have one wired up permanently to Australia.
                Splinter spotting and logs in ones own eye – comes to mind.
                NZ may be the most humble nation in …..
                NZ?

      • October 30th 2011 @ 11:24am
        Viscount Crouchback said | October 30th 2011 @ 11:24am | ! Report

        Quite right, old bean. The garlic munchers are a ghastly mob indeed.

    • October 30th 2011 @ 9:54am
      oikee said | October 30th 2011 @ 9:54am | ! Report

      I would never support either of them. They are not my teams, so why support them, just watch the game and then move along, no need to support either.
      Next thing you know you will be wearing black waving the French flag. 🙂

    • October 30th 2011 @ 11:45am
      Mike said | October 30th 2011 @ 11:45am | ! Report

      France played well in the final but really had to. Eventually they ended up being beaten 3 times in the tournament.
      New Zealand had to beat their World Cup nemesis twice; and with one less day to recover – plus they had to beat the Tri-Nations Champion.
      Well done NZ.
      I’d take a slice of NZ paradise any day.

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