What the Melbourne derby teaches us about the A-League
By Adrian Musolino, 5 Jan 2012 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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The Melbourne derby is far and away the best thing to happen to the A-League over the last two seasons. And that’s saying something given the positive developments that came into force this season.
In terms of atmosphere, traction and buzz, it already ranks alongside finals football, if not exceeds it – and the rivalry is still only a season and a bit old. The stats don’t lie: five games in, the lowest crowd was 23,059 in the second encounter, with 16 goals scored across all those matches.
The derby is better than any advertisement/promotion Football Federation Australia could dream up.
Ultimately, its success proves the one club per market model the A-League was founded on was flawed, and that a city such as Melbourne can sustain two clubs, with the rivalry between the two helping to pump up the weaker/smaller.
If anything the success of the Melbourne derby should push the case for a western Sydney team, giving Sydney FC a rival to play off, which, unlike Heart and Victory, would have a distinct geographical base.
Rivalries are what the A-League needs; matches with meaning. It was also in evidence in the Queensland derby hosted by Gold Coast United on Boxing Day, where a crowd of 6927 was over double their usual, measly average.
The one club per market model means the rivalry is out of kilter somewhat; Victory had a five-season head start on Heart that included two premierships, two championships and three grand final appearances.
But points of differentiation will emerge and grow: Victory is more associated with Etihad and Heart with AAMI Park (why it’s important Etihad stays in the mix); hopefully the two clubs will become synonymous with two distinct football cultures and styles of play; and the more matches they play the more the rivalry will grow and create a necessary divide in Melbourne.
Some have suggested there is a geo-political divide the rivalry could exploit; Heart representing Labor to north (and west) of the Yarra and the Victory the Liberals to the south (and east).
But as the AFL found after it moved its Melbourne clubs into two city stadiums, suburban and geographical divides in the city don’t really foster modern day sporting rivals. If the AFL were invented from scratch today, could it really have nine suburban Melbourne teams truly representing their geographical bases?
Perhaps the best point of difference was, in fact, that one club existed from day one and the other was the intruder that butted in five seasons later; and that is the real sticking point that will divide fans.
Some think the A-League should build on this and one day prompt a third Victorian club. Geoff Lord takes this to the extreme with his recent claim that former NSL greats South Melbourne should be instated into the A-League, with Heart moved out to Geelong or the outer suburbs.
But the premise for South Melbourne or another new club is based on Heart being undeserving of their status in Melbourne; some claiming their crowd average of over 5000 is a grave concern.
But those people forget the difficulty of Heart’s task; going up against the established Victory. Now that they are in and the rivalry is building, Heart should only grow – and it’s up to both Melbourne clubs to aggressively attack and carve up as much of the Melbourne market for themselves.
In the aftermath of Heart’s 3-2 derby win and four-goal victory over Sydney FC in Sydney, the talk in the Melbourne media is that the second-year club is now out of the shadow’s of the Victory – in a season in which we thought the Harry Kewell-studded Victory would crush Heart into submission, on and off the pitch.
Heart should take inspiration from NBA franchise, the Los Angeles Clippers, who relocated to Los Angeles in 1984, just as the established LA Lakers’ ‘Showtime’ era began. The Clippers lived in the Lakers’ shadow for decades until a gun draft pick (Blake Griffin) and trade (Chris Paul), combined with a poor season for the Lakers, gave new life to LA’s “second team”.
Melbourne Heart could be on the brink of something similar, and the A-League is better for it.
Adrian Musolino is editor of V8X Magazine, and has written as an expert on The Roar since 2008, cementing himself as a key writer who can see the big picture in sport. He freelances on other forms of motorsport, football, cycling and more.
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January 5th 2012 @ 7:13am
JohnL said | January 5th 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
“The Melbourne derby is far and away the best thing to happen to the A-League over the last two seasons.”
Really?
I’ve heard that the Roar v Mariners grand final, the way the Roar played last season and even the unbeaten streak (this put a lot of NRL noses out of joint) to be the best things to have happened for the sport.
Then again, I do support the Roar, so I could be biased there.
January 5th 2012 @ 7:26am
nordster said | January 5th 2012 @ 7:26am | Report comment
a good honest league match between two local rivals, always superior to any cup/grand final. Its derby games that keep league football bubbling along. The one day spectacles are fine but just that…
January 5th 2012 @ 7:37am
JohnL said | January 5th 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
The unbeaten streak was actually 36 matches (longer than an enitre season), not a one day spectacle…..
January 6th 2012 @ 12:56am
The Link said | January 6th 2012 @ 12:56am | Report comment
The record got up no-one’s noses in RL.
The Easts record from way back was in no way celebrated in recent times by RL prior to the Roar’s run.
It was probably the first time many people had heard of it.
Saint’s 11 straight premierships in RL is way more celebrated in Australia and rightly so.
January 6th 2012 @ 8:06am
Redb said | January 6th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
Celebrated in RL circles not .Australia. to be fair to the Roar. Both unbroken streaks were relevant to their competitions but had little traction outside of them.
January 6th 2012 @ 8:23am
Punter said | January 6th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
What is more relevant to ,those within the football circle, even more so than the unbeaten streak, was the way the Roar played, unseen in football in this country.
As far as St George 11 straight premierships, I think this is a world record for any sporting TEAM, so I think this is recognised not only within Australia, but outside of it.
January 6th 2012 @ 8:34pm
The Link said | January 6th 2012 @ 8:34pm | Report comment
Spot on Punter. There’s no comparison. Easts streak was probably unknown even to the RL faithful. St George’s streak is well known to RL (obviously) but is also widely quoted and known.
Anyway this is a football thread and we’re splitting hairs here, the Roar’s streak has been celebrated and quite rightly.
January 5th 2012 @ 7:47am
Punter said | January 5th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Brisbane Roar is the best thing for this sport in the last 2 years & I ain’t no BR fan.
January 5th 2012 @ 8:16am
The Cattery said | January 5th 2012 @ 8:16am | Report comment
If the Victory is more associated with Etihad, I would have thought it is they who are more associated with the North-West and the Heart with the South-East. The Heart already have some sort of presence in the out SE suburb of Casey.
Anyway, the two grounds are barely 2 kms apart.
Ultimately, I think the idea that you have the established club and the interlopers will end up being the differentiator.
January 5th 2012 @ 8:36am
Redb said | January 5th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Victory would still be considered the overall Melbourne club I sense no attachment to any region in Melbourne. When Heart came along it seemed to split the hard core base of Victory. The derby crowd record (26K) proof of that.
January 5th 2012 @ 9:14am
Chris said | January 5th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
The derby crowd record is actually over 39,000 – at Etihad in Round 3.
January 5th 2012 @ 9:38am
Redb said | January 5th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Kewell factor?
January 5th 2012 @ 10:03am
Dean said | January 5th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
26k is more likely a reflection of the AAMI Park stadium capacity factor. Last season (well before Harry was in Melbourne) MVFC v Heart attracted 32 231 to the Docklands at a time when neither team was playing that well. For sure, Harry will have an impact this year (maybe 10-15% extra patronage).
January 5th 2012 @ 10:59am
Kasey said | January 5th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
I’ll give you the ‘Kewell factor’ for the first game against Sydney in Rd1
The Derby was all inter city rivalry IMO.
January 5th 2012 @ 6:09pm
Stevo said | January 5th 2012 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
Agree. The way to judge the impact of the derby on Melbourne is to look at the Etihad attendance. The figure of 39000 I believe exceeds the combined membership of both clubs so there is a fair amount of general interest in the sporting community in Melbourne.
January 6th 2012 @ 8:03am
Redb said | January 6th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
yes the recent the record crowd was for AAMI Park.
If you take last season the crowd between Victory and Heart looked split, the difference this year appears to be the Kewell factor and some improvement in Heart’s fanbase (albeit minor).
January 5th 2012 @ 11:48am
Axelv said | January 5th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
AAMI Park was sold out 2 days before the match.
The volume of demand kept increasing until it was sold out.
January 5th 2012 @ 11:09pm
Anne Tenna said | January 5th 2012 @ 11:09pm | Report comment
Herat has its training base at Latrobe University in the north of Melbourne – and no base in Casey (that fell through)
January 5th 2012 @ 8:25am
striker said | January 5th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Good to see the heart get over 8k yesterday it shows there support base is growing, as for the Gold Coast derby with Brisbance there were at least 5k of Brisbance supporters at Gold Coast so i really dont see much of a derby there as Gold Coast crowds are a joke.
January 5th 2012 @ 1:11pm
JamesP said | January 5th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
I was at the big bash cricket last night at the MCG. I saw over a dozen heart shirts in the crowd and even on the bog screen…not sure if it was planned but a smart move to have the games one after the other.
January 5th 2012 @ 8:47am
Stam said | January 5th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Just an observation from someone who works in the cbd but I definitely see more younger people wearing heart supporter gear compared to victory
January 5th 2012 @ 9:15am
Chris said | January 5th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Does anyone outside Melbourne care about a game between the Victory and Heart?
January 5th 2012 @ 9:21am
The Cattery said | January 5th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
It seems to get good ratings on Fox. It has become the marquee fixture of the A-League.
January 5th 2012 @ 9:41am
Ben Carter said | January 5th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Hi Chris, Adrian… Does anyone outside Melbourne care? Yes. I live in regional Victoria and have been most impressed by Heart’s willingness to embrace a more non-metropolitan side to things (training and practice games outside Melbourne, etc). I am nominally an Adelaide-admirer but If I had to pick a Melbourne-based team to follow now I live in Vic I’d say Heart. They’re the fresh thing on the A-League menu, and keeping the Yarraside Derby alive is an undoubtedly healthy thing for the A-League and the world game in Australia generally, I reckon.
January 5th 2012 @ 11:02am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | January 5th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
I tend to agree, Ben. I’m a non-Victorian who is based overseas yet find myself looking forward to the Melbourne derby.
January 5th 2012 @ 10:17am
Kasey said | January 5th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
I’m Adelaide thru and thru and I love a good derby game. I always watch the Melb derby expecting that there will be a good quality, high intensity game and of course that both teams kick the stuffing out of each other!
The Melb Derbies and one day the Sydney Derbies will form the slate of ‘must-see ‘event games’ for the League, along with the GF. If one was trying to convince a Eurosnob that the local product was worth sampling and getting emotionally involved in, these event games will be vital to doing so.
January 5th 2012 @ 11:49am
Axelv said | January 5th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Hmmmm, the TV ratings according to astra is only 93k on 23rd Dec for the Melbourne Derby.
That is tiny and it nearly half of what the round 2 figures were for the Derby.
January 5th 2012 @ 1:08pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 5th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Yes Chris I live on the Gold Coast and it’s the best derby of the HAL season—a must watch game from any part of the country you live in. And most probably throughout Asia now.. Can’t imagine any AFL or NRL game could hold any greater interest throughout Asia
January 5th 2012 @ 9:59am
Dean said | January 5th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
“Victory is more associated with Etihad and Heart with AAMI Park (why it’s important Etihad stays in the mix)”. Given MVFC’s training & administration HQs are based at AAMI Park & Heart’s training & administration HQs are based at La Trobe Uni (25kms from AAMI Park) this is hardly the case to anyone in the football community. In fact, I think it’s highly likely Heart will eventually build, own & operate a boutique 10k rectangular stadium to service the northern suburbs and solidify its northern suburbs geographical differentiation.
January 5th 2012 @ 10:39am
TomC said | January 5th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
‘Ultimately, its success proves the one club per market model the A-League was founded on was flawed’
It proves the opposite! The basis for the model was that not that there would never be two city clubs, but that they could be founded later and still be succesful.
January 5th 2012 @ 10:45am
Ben Carter said | January 5th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Agree Tom – can you imagine two clubs in Gosford? Newcastle? Gold Coast? And consider it the opposite of flawed? (with all due respect to those teams already there of course!).
January 5th 2012 @ 10:50am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | January 5th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Derbies are certainly an entertaining part of football and one of the reasons I would like to see an FFA Cup where there is a greater chance of such occurrences. It is also a prime reason for the inclusion of another Sydney side.
January 5th 2012 @ 11:01am
Kasey said | January 5th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Please bring on the 2nd Sydney team ASAP:)
January 5th 2012 @ 12:00pm
Chris said | January 5th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
There have been several attempts to start up a second Sydney team – and all have failed.
January 5th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Dean said | January 5th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Really? Can you kindly provide evidence. As far as I know there has been 1 attempt to start a 2nd team in West Sydney and this did not proceed. We are heading towards the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression and even the biggest companies and sovereign states find it hard to raise capital. So, not hard to imagine a start-up organisation finding it difficult to raise capital to commence operations in an industry that is notorious for devouring capital and producing little, if any, returns for decades.
January 6th 2012 @ 6:48am
Stevo said | January 6th 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Really, the “fat cat owner” for both GWS and GCS is the AFL and they realise they’ll have to fork out +$100M to keep these sides alive for maybe a decade before they can stand on their own feet. Just look at Sydney (AFL) to see what’s might be ahead. It turns out that currently about half the AFL clubs are in debt. So even a long time club with an established supporter base finds it hard to be in the black.
January 6th 2012 @ 7:48am
The_Wookie said | January 6th 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
That might have to do with lessons they learnt from private ownership at brisbane and sydney where clubs were the personal playthings of owners. It might be because the AFL needed to show the QLD and NSW it wasnt some fly by night idea they had on a whim in order to get stadium upgrades and government support. It might be because theres no point doing things in a half assed way, its all the way or not at all. Cant get media coverage? Buy it, even if it costs you money from your rights auctions. The AFL still does this. Contra makes up 10% of the rights deal.
In addition theres nothing wrong with debt, as long as its sustainable and is being serviced by the club, at the moment Port Adelaide finds itself temporarily in that position. Sydney actually turned a profit this year. Brisbane would have if it didnt built and writedown spingwood. And its all moot while they have the backing of the AFL anyway.
January 5th 2012 @ 12:59pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 5th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Yes Chris please do as Dean says and back up your comment.
January 5th 2012 @ 12:14pm
mobo said | January 5th 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
South-East? North West? First time I ever heard of this, wasn’t it Victory’s CEO or President who wanted the Heart to be a South-Eastern club once upon a time, now he wants them …. in Geelong?
Anyway’s, I’m from the South-East and I know plenty of supporters who go for the Heart, but I am a labour supporter so I don’t know, maybe it is just a political thing.