Can Israel Folau match Karmichael Hunt’s lengthy strides?
By Vince Rugari, 21 Feb 2012 Vince Rugari is a Roar Expert
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Saturday was a big day for the two money men poached from rugby league to join the AFL expansion army. Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau both took significant steps forward, although one was a far greater stride than the other.
Indeed, with one full year of top-flight footy under his belt, Hunt is now the success story of Andrew Demetriou’s edgy code conversion experiment.
Meanwhile, Izzy is at square one, if not a little further back, trying to emulate his predecessor.
It won’t be easy for Folau, the former Melbourne Storm centre who hadn’t held a Sherrin until about 20-odd months ago, when the AFL threw a laundry bag full of cash in his general direction.
Izzy signed on the dotted line like any of us would, and now he’s the face of the Greater Western Sydney Giants.
Good for him. It’s all rosy off the field, but the time has come for him to at least try to play football.
Against the Western Bulldogs and Collingwood in the NAB Cup, he was served an entree of the AFL experience. It was a milestone moment in itself, but it also showed how much further he has to go.
The level of competition he faced was in a completely different stratosphere to the one he warmed to last year in the NEAFL, where he found a niche at full-forward.
Despite his one-year apprenticeship playing against local teams in New South Wales, what he’s doing now is still completely foreign to him.
In rugby league, his game was simple. In attack, he received the ball and dodged his way to the try-line, bracing for contact that he was expecting. In defence, he had to stop people in front of him from doing the same.
Now it’s different. As a spearhead, the hits could come from anywhere. The game happens in front of him, but also behind him, to his sides and all around. They don’t call Australian rules ‘aerial ping-pong’ for nothing.
All up in his four ‘quarters’ of football against the Dogs and the Pies, Izzy racked up three touches – all handballs, and none came against the reigning premiers. As a result, Operation: Temper Folau Expectations has gone up a notch at Blacktown.
His positioning was all over the shop. He looked lost, confused, and was probably very frustrated.
But once upon a time, Karmichael Hunt was in the same boat.
Not on Saturday morning, though. In warmer climes up in south-east Queensland, Hunt was in his element. It began with Gold Coast’s first internal trial – the probables in red versus the possibles in white.
Hunt’s first win that day was that he was wearing red, not white. There’s no longer a question of whether K fits in at AFL level in the eyes of Guy McKenna.
Gold Coast are convinced he belongs. The Suns are now beyond the point where they’d be playing Hunt for promotional reasons. The novelty is long gone. The headlines have all been used up. They’ve got flags to win in the next few years.
His performance in the scratch match suggests he will be playing plenty of AFL football this season, and all of it on merit. And most of it in midfield, as well.
The guts is the natural place for the Broncos old boy to be. In his own words: “In my make-up I’m more of a reaction player so being in the midfield, hunting the ball and going after it, I feel more comfortable.”
But it’s not just a change in position that has helped Hunt grasp the complexity of Aussie rules. Perhaps he’s been assisted by the knowledge gleaned from his childhood flirtation with the sport. Folau never had that base to build on, not matter how flimsy.
And on top of that, Hunt is now leaner and meaner. Say goodbye to K the beefcake – not only is he now built for the roving, mobile nature of the AFL, but he’s also kept his mongrel. You can just imagine some of his big hits being used as the perfect foil for the Suns’ gentler on-ballers.
Izzy, too, has dropped a lot of weight – but Hunt’s dedication to his fitness, to learning his new craft, to becoming the best he can be has impressed just about everyone who’s crossed his path.
That includes his teammates, who voted him onto the Suns’ leadership group on the weekend. You need no further endorsement of the man. Last year, those same players would have been entitled to ask what Hunt had really done to earn his spot in their squad ahead of bone-a-fide footballers. Now he is one.
A world-beater? Maybe not. But a good, solid contributor. That’s all you can ask for.
Hunt faced the same challenges that Folau now has before him. The same need for spatial awareness, the same jarring adjustment period, the same task of completely rebuilding his body for a brand new sport, the same mental challenges.
But was Karmichael an exception?
Is he just a freak, both in mind and body? Remember his seamless transition into rugby union before he joined the Suns. Hunt is a born athlete, and has proven his adaptability.
Folau has been blessed by the gods as well, in terms of physique, but taking the raw tools and turning them into ability is far easier said than done. A lot has to go right.
Can he do it? Nobody really knows for sure. But if he needs any inspiration, K is a model example.
Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. He is a Port Adelaide fan by birth, as painful as that has been recently. He's now sports editor of The Area News in Griffith, NSW.
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February 21st 2012 @ 6:00am
toa said | February 21st 2012 @ 6:00am | Report comment
Izzy will be fine none the less a very good read.
February 21st 2012 @ 6:21am
MyLeftFoot said | February 21st 2012 @ 6:21am | Report comment
Not so much of a freak.
Keep mindful of the job (granted, easier in respect of being a tall ‘tall’ and ‘only’ transitioning into the ruck) that Canadian RU convert Mike Pyke did. And Pyke didn’t have the benefit of slotting into a brand new team that really was playing the first year purely for experience and not results.
Folau has that benefit this year. Because of his elite sport background – it’s probably fair to assume that he’ll improve across the year – and, like Hunt – if he works hard then it will ‘click’.
Good article though – and it reasonably summarises just why it isn’t easy. Hunt and Folau have taken the money but taken an even bigger challenge that puts their own credibility on the line.
However, I can’t help but ponder – what would there boys do with their improved fitness base were they to return to RL? Would they revolutionise the game like another Aust Footy experience lad did about 100 years ago named Messenger??
February 22nd 2012 @ 5:50pm
toa said | February 22nd 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
Converting from an NRL team to a foundation French RU club only to excel in both the game & key position is mind blowing. I believe several established NRL players on long term contracts fail to reach what k achieved in 6mths including speaking french.
Everyone is built differently we tend to mimic what we see,read & hear about the advantage Izzy’s body type is compare to karmichaels figure and Vince has got right. After adjustments physical perception equates to nothing unless you have the ability to process information.
I like Izzy a lot but like Mike Pyke and other football converts karmichael is wire differently. How can someone hold his nerve & continue to improve when just about everyone is trying to rape your reputation? Personally I hope they enjoy the financial benefits that comes with the job because you wont find me doing it. The thought of Jonathan Brown running towards me…. ah no thanks.
If I’ve learnt anything from this transition to date it’s how difficult & unrewarding playing in the back line is. Rumor has it Izzy was about to opt out his contract due to difficulties he was experiencing playing as a backmen & karmichael reportedly doesn’t seem to be the same player he was 6mths ago.
My predictions is izzy will if not before come right by round 5.
February 21st 2012 @ 8:11am
Jack said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Hunts rapid transformation from rugby league to hold down the fly-half position at Biarritz in rugby union is evidence of a remarkably talented, canny and dedicated footballer. The codes are very different, a fact lost on most AFL fans and pundits and the responsibility and pressure on a fly-half really only has a football equivalent in the quarterback in American football.
In my opinion, the lad’s not utilising himself well enough in AFL – he should be playing for a Super Rugby team and the Wallabies. AFL fans should know that Hunt could be pulling in double the salary playing Rugby in Europe. Whatever his motivation to play AFL money is not the prime reason.
February 21st 2012 @ 5:27pm
Vince Rugari said | February 21st 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
He’d probably do better at rugby union than what he’s capable of doing in AFL, but I know he enjoys the club, the area, his teammates, the challenge, the money of course. Plus he’s got a baby on the way I think. It’s all a perfect fit for him.
February 21st 2012 @ 8:59am
Ian Whitchurch said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Jack,
The disposal skills – the ability to identify the open man, or the space the open man will be in when the ball arrives – needed by ball distributors in rugby union and American football are needed by almost all players on an Australian Rules paddock.
Hunt’s disposal skills, when presented with a reasonably obvious situation, were pretty good last year – he has good, fast hands.
Izzy has a different set of problems – he must be that open man, or the man that gets into the space, or the man who creates the open space for someone else to run into.
As someone who watched the trial games from near the forward pocket, I actually thought Izzy’s positioning was pretty good, and his forward pressure was excellent. He ran to space, he made leads, and in doing so he cleared the space that led to a goal.
He was also awful early last year, but got better.
Im confident the same thing will happen this year, and it’s notable that Rodney Eade liked what he showed on Saturday.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/former-western-bulldogs-coach-rodney-eade-says-critics-should-not-write-off-gws-recruit-israel-folau/story-e6frf3e3-1226276406578
February 21st 2012 @ 9:06am
TomC said | February 21st 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
I think the jury is still very much out on Hunt. 8 possessions a game isn’t much of a return.
February 21st 2012 @ 9:19am
slickwilly said | February 21st 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
using possessions as a sole indicator of a players worth in games of australian football is a misleading
February 21st 2012 @ 11:25am
TomC said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
I think it’s a fair reflection of his output in this case, willy.
February 21st 2012 @ 5:23pm
Vince Rugari said | February 21st 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Should have seen the internal trial, TomC. I know the level isn’t great but he did really, really well.
February 21st 2012 @ 11:03pm
Phelpsy said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:03pm | Report comment
I was there too – he seems to have adjusted- althoughh still looks to give off as first option – whih isn;t too bad a thing but maybe predictable. I was near him at the interchange with my boy – and gee he is one muscle bound fellow – and also a leader – telling people what to do etc.
February 22nd 2012 @ 9:14am
TomC said | February 22nd 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
I’ll have a good look at him against the Lions and Dees on Saturday night.
February 22nd 2012 @ 9:50am
The Cattery said | February 22nd 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Looking forward to seeing how Hunt has progressed over the pre-season. He now has two pre-seasons under his belt, he’s entering his third season of Australian Football, and by all accounts, his engine is getting up pretty close to AFL standards, such that he can finally have a run in midfield.
February 21st 2012 @ 9:59am
Strummer Jones said | February 21st 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
In Israel’s case, it was a case of picking yourself up, and moving from one place across to another land, and then trying to claim it as your very own. I am not sure how successful this will ever be. Additionally, some believe Israel was always only after one thing; the money. Money money money they say. And this, again many say, is been clear for a very long time. I don’t mind Israel. The achievements to date are something you have to respect. But this constant fighting with Palestine….
February 21st 2012 @ 10:36am
hog said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
And what would any normal person do when offered 1 mill a year to play a sport, can you blame izzy no matter what happens hes gonna end up pretty well off.
February 21st 2012 @ 10:43am
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Don’t forget Strummer, as Seinfeld once said, it’s humour that has kept us together as a people for 3,000 years.
February 21st 2012 @ 11:34am
Chris said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
It was interesting the hear Paul Roos’ opinion of Izzy on On the Couch last night. He described him as getting paid $90k for his football contributions and $900k for his marketing role. Judged as a $90k player, suddenly Folau isn’t too shabby. He was also prepared to be patient and wait until the backend of the season before making any judgements. All sounded fair enough to me.
February 21st 2012 @ 11:57am
Matt F said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
It was a very smart comment by Roos. Given their histories in the game I’d say that GWS would be alot more concerned with Tom Scully’s output than Folau’s from Saturday night. I’m not sure if The Australian has ever written an article of that scale just to criticise any other player who still hasn’t made their AFL debut yet either, so clearly the marketing element is, and has been, working very well.
February 21st 2012 @ 5:23pm
Vince Rugari said | February 21st 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Whether Izzy succeeds or fails, if you’re watching, the AFL has already won.
February 21st 2012 @ 6:36pm
dan said | February 21st 2012 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
true. When I came here 3 years ago from NZ I was brainwashed into supporting the Pies. Now the only thing I’m interested in is the progress of Izzy and Karmichael.
I hope Majak Daw goes off like a Lomu Bomb as well.
February 21st 2012 @ 8:15pm
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:15pm | Report comment
Dan
you remind me of an old English teacher (as in the subject) who used to say that he went to Collingwood Tech, and when you went to Collingwood Tech, you had no choice but to barrack for the pies if you knew what was good for you.
February 21st 2012 @ 8:17pm
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:17pm | Report comment
Majak and Izzy have almost identical physiques, ideal key position body shapes.
February 23rd 2012 @ 5:54pm
dan said | February 23rd 2012 @ 5:54pm | Report comment
at least we don’t have to listen to that “we are the Magpies…. the back-to-back Magpies” crap anymore. Back-to-back with a one year gap, maybe. Hopefully more.
February 21st 2012 @ 1:41pm
Pot Stirrer said | February 21st 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Izzy is only there for the money, Did you notice him at the Panthers Trial. Unless the AFL renew his contract for the same sort of money and prob more he will be playing for the Panthers when his contract is up.
February 21st 2012 @ 5:27pm
Vince Rugari said | February 21st 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
And what a psychological coup that’d be for rugby league, if he bailed on western Sydney AFL to go back to NRL in the same area.
February 21st 2012 @ 7:08pm
Redb said | February 21st 2012 @ 7:08pm | Report comment
The NRLers were quick to tell us K would be back on league at the end of his contract. Wrong again.
February 22nd 2012 @ 11:52am
Paul said | February 22nd 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Did he sign a new contract? If he did it didnt make any of the news i read
February 22nd 2012 @ 12:07pm
Ian Whitchurch said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2011/12/18/374931_gold-coast-afl.html
February 22nd 2012 @ 12:12pm
Paul said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
The latest round of talks, scheduled for Tuesday and Wednesday last week, were cancelled at the 11th hour by Hunt’s manager David Riolo because of a family illness. They will now take place early next year.
Thats all i took out of the link. Sounds like he was waiting for the IC in RL. Pretty lame excuse for a family illness to not go through with the meeting, i have used the same line on my boss!!
February 22nd 2012 @ 12:33pm
Redb said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Ian,
They’re getting desperate lol
February 22nd 2012 @ 12:44pm
Paul said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Red B, not desperate just luaghing at what i think will happen.
February 22nd 2012 @ 1:12pm
The_Wookie said | February 22nd 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
And if he goes back so what? The AFL generated a ton of exposure and awareness by recruiting them and then playing them in RL territories. This has always been about marketing with the hope that they’d be good players. Hunt and Folau will at least be able to say they tried at the end of it all, and Gold Coast and GWS will move on without them.
But make no mistake – marketing first, football second. If they go, they go.
February 22nd 2012 @ 12:15pm
Paul said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Can u imagine Karmichael running out for the Gold coast Titans and Izzy for the penrith panthers when their contracts are finished, I can and im sure so can Gus Gould and Michael Searle
February 22nd 2012 @ 1:26pm
Paul said | February 22nd 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Wookie, apart from the initial shock you have got nothing and the same shock and exposure will hit AFL when they come back but with interest and ridicule. Unless they both achieve superstar status in your game its a failure, and you dont have any representative fixtures to show it, and whilst they were big in league its not like the AFL recruited a Lockyer or Thurston or Slater who may have actually been able to drag fans across. In NSW izzy was/is considered a traiter to his State before he became a traitor to his code, and KH was considered a traitor to his country (in footy terms) before he became a traitor to league. Not very good picks IMO.
February 23rd 2012 @ 3:39pm
stabpass said | February 23rd 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
Hunt and Folau, along with Nic Nat are important for the AFL in their endeavours to break down the myth that polynesian kids hate and will not play Australian football, clearly these kids are drawn historically and culturally to either form of rugby, and things will change slowly, but change they will.
So as much as it is about football, is it about generational change of peoples attitudes, clearly now polynesian kids can see Hunt , Folau, Rodan, Carlisle, Nic Nat playing Australian football, so it is Ok for them as well, to have a go. (simplistic i know) but that is the general gist.
February 23rd 2012 @ 7:19pm
toa said | February 23rd 2012 @ 7:19pm | Report comment
Stabpass, 150% correct.
February 21st 2012 @ 2:24pm
Redb said | February 21st 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Marketing money well paid.
K makes leadership was splashed all over the Courier Mail site.
February 21st 2012 @ 4:27pm
Pot Stirrer said | February 21st 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
Now that you have edited my comment which wasnt half as bad as some of the crap you AFL blokes write on the RL sites i can see where the allegiance to sport truly lies and as you wish i shall no longer read or post.
Good Bye
February 21st 2012 @ 4:33pm
Nathan of Perth said | February 21st 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
Bwahahaha, aren’t you precious? And its an RU site by origin, didn’t you know that?
Buh bye =D
February 21st 2012 @ 4:33pm
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
None of us have the authority to edit anyone’s posts (at least not that I know of).
February 21st 2012 @ 5:28pm
Vince Rugari said | February 21st 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
Certainly wasn’t me.