The more Super Rugby changes, the more it stays the same
By Brett McKay, 28 Feb 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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Queensland Reds players celebrate following the Reds Super Rugby final win over the Canterbury Crusaders at Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane, Saturday, July 9, 2011.
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With the exception of the Reds, all of the Australian Super Rugby teams have undergone some kind of off-season change to its personnel.
For starters, there’s three new coaches around the traps. Some fairly major player movement took place as well. Yet for all the movement backward and forward, the Australian sides look pretty much the same as they did in 2011.
Watching the Brumbies and Western Force doing their very best to put the opening night crowd to sleep in the first half of their Canberra Stadium clash, all I could think of was some very prophetic words playing out in front of me:
“…Australian sides have tended to take the defensive option with the fear of making a mistake.”
I don’t always agree with my new colleague, David Campese (and I knew it wouldn’t take long to get that out!), but this was a clear case of a truer word never being spoken.
Having watched the pulsating end to the Blues-Crusaders match on arrival at the ground, what the Brumbies and Force dished out for forty minutes was the biggest letdown in the history of letdowns. When I did get around to watching the game again on Saturday, I went straight to the second half.
The Waratahs and Reds game on Saturday night then just confirmed that the old adage is alive and well in the Australian conference. The more things change, the more they do stay the same.
So perhaps, in hindsight, the biggest surprise is that I expected change in the first place.
The Brumbies were always going to do whatever they had to do to secure the desperately needed win. The Force were always going to play a forwards game with minimal width off flyhalf-for-now James Stannard.
The Waratahs were always going to show signs of improvement but ultimately fall back into their bad habits. The Reds were always going to play to Mike Harris’ strengths and not Quade Cooper’s.
Change may happen among the Australian teams this year; it just won’t happen in Week 1. Some teams’ supporters will be sweating on that statement more than others will.
The Reds proved they’re still going to be the team to beat in the Australian conference in 2012, pulling out the old ‘we can still win this from our own half’ play to get through some lazy Waratahs defence. Dom Shipperley somehow coaxed Rob Horne into hanging off him, and suddenly found 70m of open space in front of him to seal the improbable win.
Harris was the story of the Reds’ night, with his accuracy off the kicking tee ensuring that the Waratahs were kept at arm’s length.
However, his display at flyhalf was impressive even without his kicking. Playing exactly as he said he would in the build-up to this season – like Mike Harris, and not like Quade Cooper – Harris ran strongly and passed at pretty much the right times all night. Ben Tapuai and Anthony Fainga’a saw considerably more ball in space (and in general, for that matter) than Tom Carter and Horne saw from Daniel Halangahu.
Ultimately, a couple of crucial lapses in concentration and execution invited Queensland to have one last crack. Essentially, New South Wales were again guilty of trying not to lose, rather than just playing the game out to seal the win. History now shows they failed on both fronts, a fact that hammered home to them as Shipperley scooted away.
Regardless of the result, the Homebush match showed that there is still a fair gulf between the top and bottom Australian teams, and I say that regardless of where the Rebels might fit into that puzzle.
The Brumbies took 42 minutes to get up to the Force’s try line, having spent most of the first half fluffing midfield bombs so that they came down between the 10m and 22m lines, rather than trying to turn the Force’s back three around.
But once finally up on the line, they showed composure and vision, with the result being a well-worked try to winger Jesse Mogg on debut. A second try followed soon after.
While Nic White had a solid night in general play, his goal kicking went awry in the second half. A 55m penalty goal got everyone’s attention in the opening minutes, but unfortunately, that just meant everyone was tuned in to see him pulling everything to the left of the uprights in the second forty.
Overall, though, here was a young halfback with a bit of spunk about him, who plays a high-energy game with a decent pass, and happily, isn’t over-reliant on the box kick. It truly makes you wonder why he sat idle behind Valentine and Phibbs last season.
Sam Carter won at least four lineout steals by my count, which is a decent night out for a lock any time. But when those steals come against Nathan Sharpe, and on your Super Rugby run-on debut, then you’ll be marked as ‘one to watch’.
Ben Mowen put in one of the better displays in a Brumbies No.8 jersey in recent memory, too, well and truly justifying the decision to hand him the captaincy.
Still, as far as games being a spectacle go, the Australian conference games couldn’t hold a candle to the other inter-conference games, or the meteorological derby between the Stormers and the Hurricanes. The Blues-Crusaders and Bulls-Sharks games were both belters, and none of them showed any fear of making a mistake.
And until the Australian derbies see a major lift in quality across the board, this surely should put pay to all this ambitious but impractical talk in recent weeks about expansion plans for Super Rugby. Suggestion that more places will produce more quality players is hopeful at best, as those quality players clearly don’t exist now.
Things have changed dramatically within Australia rugby in recent years, yet here we are in Week one of 2012, having the same discussions as in 2010. And 2008. And back beyond that too.
And that ongoing stagnation extends to my tipping, too. All three teams identified last week as a smokey went down, and thus I’m now open to offers from teams needing their opposition talked up.
My rates are quite affordable and return on investment appears guaranteed…
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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February 28th 2012 @ 7:44am
Darwin stubby said | February 28th 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
We have also previously commented on the fact that historical games between Aust teams tend to throw the type of games we saw on Sat …. Sure there are exceptions but in general they’ve tended toward the messy arm wrestle …. the question has always been will that effect the enticing of new viewers to the game
February 28th 2012 @ 8:24am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
it’s a fair point Darwin, and combined with the traditionally slow start to Australian football seasons in general, we got what we got over the weekend. It would be interesting to compare the local derbies now against the repeat fixtures in July..
February 28th 2012 @ 7:51am
Grimmace said | February 28th 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
I was hoping that a game of Rugby might break out in Canberra on Firday night . As soon as the horse men held onto the ball and ran forward they instantly looked a heap better, why didn’t they do it more?!?!?!. I agree that the two young Brumby locks looked alright, but 1st start etc.
Early on both sides showed attaciking intent, to a point. The Rugby brains trust here at work all agree that it was bit of a shame that the Reds v ‘tahs game was on in week 1 (realising they have the reverse fixture alter in the season). With a few extra weeks to click, that game could have been a belter if held in week 4 or 5. Good to see the Reds getting up while Genia and Ionie had pretty quiet games
February 28th 2012 @ 8:26am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Grimmace, I was genuinely worried at half time that what we were seeing WAS the game of rugby. Fortunately, it was discovered that the ball could also be passed in the second half…
February 28th 2012 @ 8:38am
simon said | February 28th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Yep. Quite True Brett. Just goes to show that rugby is the game that has the potential to be such a thrilling, dynamic game, but also the potential to be such a fizzle.
The attitude should not be to win at the expense of chancing you hand. But nor should it be to chance your hand at the expense of winning.
It should be to win BY chancing your hand.
February 28th 2012 @ 9:23am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Simon, this is what tripped up the Tahs, I think. When they should have just played out the game by defending as they had all game, and keeping the Reds in their own 22, they somehow panicked themselves into the pointless box kick with no chasers, which Qld gladly took as one last chance, making the most of the staggered or non-existent Tahs defence.
As Spiro put forward yesterday, all NSW had to do was keep hold of the ball, truck it up for another two or three phases, and boot it out of play…
February 28th 2012 @ 12:02pm
simon said | February 28th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Of course Brett, no doubt. But it could have been a possible option for the Tahs IF they were behind on the scoreboard. The difference is, they weren’t behind, which made it a silly play, rather than chancing your hand.
February 28th 2012 @ 8:49am
johnny-boy said | February 28th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Given Australians actually have other things to do besides living and breathing rugby it’s not suprising we start slow. The problem NZ and SA have is the longer the season goes the better the Australians get as they get their skill levels and fitness up to a better speed. And by then the kiwis and saffas have burnt and bashed themselves out. The Crusaders have clearly peaked too early.
February 28th 2012 @ 9:13am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
JB, when would you predict “The Crusaders have clearly peaked too early” is going to come back an bite you?!
February 28th 2012 @ 9:19am
johnny-boy said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Probably the final Brett
February 28th 2012 @ 8:51am
Osama bin Lockie said | February 28th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Compare the error rates in the two Aussie games to the other games, particularly the NZ ones. The Aussies made far more basic errors, tactical and technical. To me it demonstrates the gulf between the regions, lack of depth, lack of rugby culture.
February 28th 2012 @ 9:31am
Ryan said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Settle down, it’s week one. Reds and Tahs in the finals last year and Reds won the whole thing in 2011. Wallabies are also number 2 in the world. Oz Rugby in general could be better but it ain’t to bad for “lack of rugby culture”
February 28th 2012 @ 9:42am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
OBL, while I tend to agree with Ryan, that it is just the first week, it was certainly noticeable how many more unforced errors there were in the Australian conference games than in NZ or SA..
February 28th 2012 @ 9:24am
johnny-boy said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Talking about things never changing – report out that Danny ‘The Irrepressible Prat” Cipriani has been involved in car crash along with Beale, JOC and Cooper and Rebels confirm knowledge of ‘incident’. Even I am surprised it took so little time for the Prat to be back -causing trouble for the Rebels. Bye bye Rebels to your season. Bye bye Beale and JOC sooner or later but for gawds sake Link – forbid Cooper from visiting Prattsville !
February 28th 2012 @ 9:40am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
the Prat Pack, JB??
I hadn’t heard this, have you got a link?
February 28th 2012 @ 9:55am
johnny-boy said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/28/more-drama-as-cipriani-cooper-beale-run-off-the-road-in-melbourne/
I inadvertently assumed JOC would be in there but perhaps not ?
February 28th 2012 @ 10:02am
hog said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Hold on a sec this was a minor traffic accident.
lets not turn this into something it is’nt.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/6490766/Beale-Cipriani-Cooper-in-car-accident-report
February 28th 2012 @ 10:11am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
it does sound kind of minor…
February 28th 2012 @ 11:27am
rl said | February 28th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Fair enough, although “failed to negotiate a corner” sounds a little suss. I’ve been driving for 20 odd years and I’ve never failed to negotiate a corner. “It ain’t rocket surgery” (with thanks to Skull).
Clearly, it’s just a matter of perception – the Captain of the Titanic simply failed to negotiate an iceberg…
February 28th 2012 @ 3:02pm
Rugbug said | February 28th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
lol thats gold rl
February 28th 2012 @ 9:56am
Johnno said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Brett I really liked Mike Harris, efforts on the weekend. He showed some nice touches and I think could be handy wallaby utility back this season if he stays injury free. He is big strong, and has skills he may be the inside centre Australia need. I was also happy to see Palu and Rob Horne back. Horne I rate highly so many skills, and pace and defence, he reminds me of Brent Tate the NRL centre. Just very classy in all he does. I would like to see Horne tried at IC i think that is his best spot and he looked there in the world cup.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:09am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Johnno, certainly if Harris stays fit, and even if he plays hafl as well as he did on Sat, he’ll come into calcs. And you could be right too, could be very handy at 12.
I couldn’t help but laugh at your Horne-Tate comparo though, given their equally horrendous injury toll over the years..
February 28th 2012 @ 10:13am
Mals said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
A fair summary Brett although I would argue if the Waratahs were trying not to lose they would have been hitting the ball up one off the ruck with a minute to go instead of putting a kick in. Disappointing crowd at ANZ stadium for such a big game.
What was the crowd figure for the Brumbies game?
February 28th 2012 @ 10:33am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Mals, certainly up that point they were trying not to lose, but then something weird happened to them. Actually, ‘the Tahs’ happened to them..
14200 and change in Canberra, for what was a barmy evening for rugby. The mercury had only just dropped below 30 five or ten minutes before kickoff. Good first up crowd, I think, be interesting to see what the next one’s like for a day game on Mar 10.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:17am
sheek said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Brett,
Regrettably Australian rugby is in a bind. But one of its own choosing, mind you.
The coaches & players unfortunately are only interested in preserving their contract for next season.
With 5 professional teams, 5 head coaches, about 15 assistant coaches & 150 players, there’s not much to go around, & these guys guard their turf jealously.
But they don’t get it! They just don’t get it!!
if they bothered to play more attractive rugby more often, they would have more fans wanting to watch rugby, more sponsors wanting to part with their money, the media wanting to get them on TV, radio & the papers, & young players would be inspired to play rugby.
This would eventually create more professional teams, more sponsorship, more media exposure, more opportunity. But unfortunately, these people are only thinking of themselves.
I don’t understand, not for one moment do I accept this short-sighted attitude of coaches & players. Had I been a rugby player of any ability, I would have loved to give the game a real crack.
In retirement, I would have loved people come up to me & say, “I loved watching you when you played the game. You made it enjoyable, & it was a pleasure to watch a game of rugby with you in it”.
I’m sure this is what people say to David Campese & Mark Ella. Even a prop like Topo Rodriguez made the game exciting for his involvement. But there’s not too many people who would receive such words of high praise. Especially not today……….
February 28th 2012 @ 10:37am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Sheek, I can only follow that up with that professionalism will do funny things to people. You could make the same arguement for just about any pro sportsperson competing in just about any sport around the globe. When you get to the elite level, only results will pay the bills. Style, unfortunately, doesn’t hold much currency (pun intended)..
February 28th 2012 @ 10:39am
Justin said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
I’d look at the coaches more than the players Sheek…
February 28th 2012 @ 1:28pm
Who Needs Melon said | February 28th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
I like your posts Justin – short, sharp and to the point.
I agree that it’s the coaching that is the big influence on team styles. I think it’s a Bob Dwyer saying that practice DOESN’T make perfect – PERFECT practice makes perfect. In other words, if during practice you are practicing the wrong things or doing things the wrong way, you will do those things on the field.
I haven’t any insight on what goes on at anyones practice but I’d bet the poor defensive and offensive realignment you see on game day is the same thing you’d see during practice. During practice it will be forgiven maybe because it’s during ‘unopposed drills’ or because they are focussing on something else like body position or whatever. But I think they’re actually training themselves to play badly!
I’d also like to know: How much (if at all) are halfbacks practicing box kicks at training? My bet is very, very little – maybe because the coach has said he wants them used ‘sparingly’. They either need to practice them more/better or give them up altogether. There can’t be a halfway where you don’t practice them or half practice them but use them on game day.
Wish I was Justin and could get my point across more easily than this.
February 28th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Justin said | February 28th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
WNM – I’ll take that as a compliment! Why use 50 words when you can say it in 5? Plus I dont have the art of the written word like some on here do
February 28th 2012 @ 11:35am
Rugby Diehard said | February 28th 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
Sheek – you don’t think sometimes we view players of a by-gone era with rose coloured glasses. I think most of us remember the good things from the past and forget the, well, forgettable! It is also difficult to judge current players in terms of the way history has remembered the players you are referring to, as quite simply history hasn’t had the opportunity to remember them yet! I find it particularly amusing how a former player like Greg Martyn who was not renowned as an attack at all costs player is suddenly the world’s biggest advocate of attacking rugby. I think the point is most of us appreciate that this is the way Rugby should be played but pressure and the opposition usually make the perfect game an unachievable but desirable objective. Personally, I don’t think professionalism has made the game less of a spectacle in Australia or around the world. It has perhaps made it more frustrating to watch a poor quality or defensive game.
I would hasten to add that one of my favourite players to watch was Ben Tune (clearly before injuries robbed us of him) who was a product of the professional era. Personally, I love watching players who through fair play know only one way, boots and all into it. All the better if a lack of size has made this all the more impressive. You clearly admire more the silky skills of the Campos and Ellas – isn’t it sensational that our game provides such a mix of player types that there is a style of player that can suit our preference.
Other players of the professional era who, off the top of my head, I feel history has remembered fondly might include (I’ve tried to disengage your clear backs bias!!!): John Eales, Christian Cullen, Olivier Magne, Agustin Pichot, Joost Westerhuizen, and Jonah Lomu. I have left out many I know but I don’t think we are suddenly left with a black hole in terms of player quality and attitude.
We also remember these guys because they were before an era of professionalism and so weren’t there to be “corrupted” by the dollar, which gives them some level of integrity
Question: would Mark Ella have retired at 26 in today’s professional environment?
February 28th 2012 @ 12:30pm
sheek said | February 28th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Rugby Diehard,
You ask some tough questions, & present some tough thoughts.
It’s true the older we get, the better things were, to paraphrase an old joke. But I remember absolutely spewing over the 3rd test against the ABs in 1984 at the SCG, for example.
Both teams went into the decider locked one-all, & everyone was looking forward to a tip-top game, especially the Wallaby backs opening up the Kiwis. Especially also as it was an afternoon kick-off, preceded by a counter lunch & copious beers at the nearby Olympic hotel!
But the game was ruined as a spectacle by the English ref, who appeared to have lost the whistle down his throat. The ABs won a tight contest 25-24, but the stop-start affair suited the ABs better than the Wallabies.
Current Wallabies coach Robbie Deans was star for the ABs, kicking a conversion & 5 penalties. Surprising, Mark Ella did well as Wallaby kicker, with a conversion & 5 penalties. Campo scored a try & kicked a penalty also.
This game also saw midfielders Ella, Hawker & Slack arguing quite heatedly among themselves as to the moves to play. Coach Alan Jones decided after this match, that for the upcoming Grand Slam tour, Slack would captain at the toss, & decide kicks at goal, but otherwise, Ella would run the backline. Hawker lost his place to Lynagh.
It was only last year,because or the year before, we had people on The Roar saying that today’s game can’t produce players like Ella & Campese anymore, the defence is too strong. Well, Quade Cooper proved the lie to that, often easily opening up current defences. And he’s not a patch on Ella.
If Cooper could open up today’s defences, then Ella, if he were playing today, would do likewise, & more often.
And Digby Ioane is an example of someone who can break a line through sheer determination & grit. Different to Campese, but he has a crack at it, just like Campo did.
I don’t entirely buy Brett’s line about professionals being more conservative. This is purely a rugby thing. AFL & NRL is still played with much the same gusto as in the amateur or semi-professional era. II’s just more sophisticated mayhem now.
The NFL (US) is a huge business, but the quarterbacks are still willing to throw the “hail mary” passes. They are prepared to take the risks because they trust their skills, just like amateurs such as Ella & Campese used to.
So it’s not just professionalism. Rugby coaches & players simply hide behind this (professionalism) as an excuse for their inability & lack of skills to play otherwise, IMHO.
There is always a constant. And that is the great players will always emerge in any era, irrespective of how the game is being played at that time. That’s where the fun comes in, comparing the great players across different eras.
Q: Would Mark Ella have retired at age 26 in today’s professional environment?
The thing about Ella is that he understood himself well. He knew his strengths & weaknesses. He retired at age 25 because he didn’t want to lose his skills, or his edge, through lack of fitness, & he knew he was a lazy trainer.
But had he been around today, there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t have been like Benji Marshall. You have to understand that had Ella been around today, he would have naturally had a better training/fitness ethic, while retaining those magical skills. Just like Benji Marshall.
Short answer – no, Ella wouldn’t have retired at age 26 today.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:22pm
sledgeandhammer said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:22pm | Report comment
Great comment, just because rugby is professional doesn’t mean players should be scared to express themselves. In other sports there are so many high pressure moments where great players do extraordinary things, which often come off. In rugby the fear of failure sometimes wins. This to me is largely due to poor coaching.
On a positive note, the 6 Nations has been awesome this year, and the rugby in SA and NZ conferences was worth watching.
February 28th 2012 @ 4:18pm
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | February 28th 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
You are certainly right about rose coloured glasses……many people of my generation rave about Monty Python……but if you watch all the episodes you realise that a lot of it was dross. The same is true of sport I would suggest, or as the 4 yorkshiremen would say “those were the days”.
February 28th 2012 @ 9:06pm
sheek said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:06pm | Report comment
Ay, we had it tough in our day, we did……….
Actually I still find find The Holy Grail & Life Of Brian incredibly clever, & funny, to this day. But Now For Something Completely different backs up your argument.
I don’t deny not everything was rosy back in the 70s & 80s. The refs probably blew heaps more penalties. And the game did get bogged down more. But I also reckon there was more variety. Not the homogenized stuff we see so much of today.
February 28th 2012 @ 9:08pm
sheek said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
“Your comment is awaiting moderation” – what the blazes for……….??????????
Is Monty Python treasonous……….??????????
Is homogenized a dirty word……….??????????
February 28th 2012 @ 9:15pm
Johnno said | February 28th 2012 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
sheek what have you been drinking.
February 29th 2012 @ 1:42am
jeznez said | February 29th 2012 @ 1:42am | Report comment
Sheek, not sure that AFL and NFL are great examples to compare to rugby and conservatism. AFL’s lack of an offside line and NFL’s down system both ensure that there are opportunities to regain the ball. You can throw a hail mary in the dying seconds when you know that you aren’t going to get there by taking a drive and working through your downs. Similarly you can throw in a bomb and hope someone takes a speccy if playing the ball short isn’t working for you.
Rugby has always been a game that is easy to play badly, it has always been hard to play it well but the rewards when it is done well are great. Professionalism may have made it easier to play badly as it has removed some of the space on the field but there are still opportunities to play the game well – unfortunately I cannot remember one great game recently!
February 29th 2012 @ 2:15am
Nathan of Perth said | February 29th 2012 @ 2:15am | Report comment
Its the first four letters of the one that ends in “genized” that I think triggered it
February 29th 2012 @ 12:12pm
sheek said | February 29th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Nathan – probably right!
Jeznet – I understand. However, this begs another question – why do we do the proverbial to our players of basically asking them to play with one hand tied behind their backs?
if it’s not the laws, then it’s the refs applying the laws, looking for faults only they seem capable of finding, & stifling enterprise…..
Johnno – Chris Ringland shiraz 2009, Barossa Valley. Very nice drop…..
February 28th 2012 @ 12:19pm
simon said | February 28th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I agree that we can view the past with rose-coloured glasses, but I also think that Sheek has a fair point here. Rugby has such potential as a thrilling, dynamic game, but it also has potential to be a real fizzle. RL is fairly one-dimential, but it is also fairly consistent – you know what sort of game you’re going to get.
I’m not suggesting a massive change of rules to rugby, but clearly some teams play differently to others. And I think it’s mainly about an attitude (instilled by the coach or not).
Of course, you can’t expect teams to try and entertain as a priority, because their first priority will always be to win. But there are differences in HOW a team tries to win.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:26am
Johnno said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
We need to talk about Pat Mcabe.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:37am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
fire away, Johnno, what’s he done now??
February 28th 2012 @ 10:47am
Johnno said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Well nothing Brett, but he has heart of phar lap. That rugby world cup Q/F vs south africa that is the most gutsy effort of the past i have ever seen from a rugby player just about. Mcabe had a busted shoulder going into the match but just kept tackling hard over and over again and went off at 50 minutes but pushed his body beyond his limits just about. And mace runs hard, just look at that samoa match mace was the 1 man who just ran hard and straight all day.
Mcabe is a very good fullback too, i watched the game vs the rebels last year on tv , wow mcabe played well from fullback i think that is hist best spot, but he is a handy I/C , you need an I/C at test rugby who can tackle hard and stop momentum. JDVilliers is 1 example of what I mean, and SBW can tackle hard too.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:53am
Justin said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
He tackles hard, agreed. He also runs hard and straight at the man every time. Thats just one of his problems. He is a winger and thats it. Not a creative bone in his body.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:57am
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
He should be back for the Mar 10 game v the Cheetahs, Johnno. And I’d expect he’ll slot in at 13 for the Brumbies this year; they seem to like Robbie Coleman playing a Kurtley Beale/Billy Slater-type game from the back. And even if they didn’t play Coleman at the back, Cam Crawford would be good enough to keep McCabe in the front line..
February 28th 2012 @ 12:06pm
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
commentator’s curse, Johnno: Robbie Coleman might be out for a few weeks with the groin injury he picked up the other night…
February 28th 2012 @ 4:20pm
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | February 28th 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
Catch 22 Brett……that means that Mogg gets to stay in contention for selection.
February 28th 2012 @ 7:09pm
Brett McKay said | February 28th 2012 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
good point Guru, I’d forgotton about Mogg being an EPS’er..
February 28th 2012 @ 10:40am
Justin said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Did he pass a ball in training? That should get a headline in my opinion
February 28th 2012 @ 10:40am
Red Kev said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
We really don’t. If we ignore him, perhaps he will go away.
February 28th 2012 @ 10:43am
Johnno said | February 28th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
I don’t want Mcabe to go away.
February 28th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Red Kev said | February 28th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
He’s a one-dimensional player with none of the skills a Wallaby backline really needs (given that our forward pack will never overpower other nations we need sublimely brilliant attacking backs to overcome NZ/SA/Eng/Ire/Wales).
Off the top of my head, without even thinking about it or looking at the up and coming young players I can think of nine players (Barnes, O’Connor, Tapuai, Horne, AAC, Beale, Mitchell, Ioane, Turner) I would rather have in jerseys 11 through 15. Putting McCabe at best as 10th pick for a possible 5 spots (6 or 7 if you include the bench).
February 28th 2012 @ 12:44pm
Comrade Bear said | February 28th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Poor man’s Nathan Grey.
February 28th 2012 @ 2:15pm
Justin said | February 28th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Very…