Are the Wallabies becoming too much like the Kiwis?
By Sports Freak, 15 Mar 2012 Sports Freak is a Roar Pro
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Is the Australian national team embracing too many New Zealand players? Mike Harris is likely to join the green and gold for the upcoming Rugby Championship and Toby Lynn is also touted as a future Wallaby.
Non-Australians or players born and raised in other countries playing for the Wallabies are hardly new. Australia, like every other country, commonly has players starring for its national team that were neither born, raised, nor developed here.
Tiaan Strauss, Dan Vickerman and Clyde Rathbone are South Africans who have worn the green and gold in recent times.
Patricio Noriega was an Argentine who propped up the Wallaby scrum for years while others such as George Gregan, Lote Tuqiri and Jeremy Paul were all born in other countries but moved to Australia and starred for the Wallabies.
There is, however, a big difference between those who move to Australia at a young age to live the rest of their life here, always considering themselves Australian, and those who arrive Down Under at 18 years or older.
There are those who have come through the Australian development system, through the GPS or Australian Schoolboys or an Australian academy, and there are those who are developed elsewhere but end up using their skills for us.
As New Zealand is our closest neighbour and rugby is by far their most popular sport, there have always been a healthy number of Kiwis playing in all levels of Australian rugby.
From subbies to club rugby, Super Rugby, the Wallabies and beyond, it’s commonplace to find New Zealanders in our ranks, which is mostly a good thing. It can increase the talent pool here and expand our rugby knowledge.
Considering the close relationship between the two countries, the number of Kiwis who live in Australia (estimated to be around half a million) and the economic opportunities available in Australia, this is all to be expected.
New Zealand has produced players for years that play for other countries – like Japan, Italy and England – and Australia is no different. Australians like Luke McLean, Dan and Nathan Parks, and Adam Byrnes have all played internationally for other countries.
But is there a line, and when it comes to the Wallabies, have we crossed it?
I am not at all advocating against Kiwis playing rugby in Australia, and I am not denigrating the positive impact New Zealanders have had on the sport in this country. I am merely posing the question, should the Wallabies have a different standard?
International rugby union has long had dubious representative eligibility laws, in my opinion, which should be tightened to be more in line with sports bodies such as football’s FIFA.
Is there, or should there be, a rule in place that promotes Australian talent to go on and play for the Wallabies? Or is it a case of wanting success at all costs?
At the moment we have a Kiwi coach in Robbie Deans (a fantastic coach in my opinion), a Kiwi fly-half in Quade Cooper, and Kiwi props in Sekope Kepu and Pek Cowan. Kiwis Harris and Lynn are currently on the fringe of Wallaby selection, while in recent years so has Brackin Karauria-Henry.
Jared Waerea-Hargreaves is currently a signing target for the New South Wales Waratahs, and would seemingly have to be eligible for the Wallabies.
James O’Connor is an interesting case – he was born on the Queensland south-east coast to New Zealand parents, and as a child he lived in Auckland for five years before he and his family moved back to Australia. Then there is Digby Ioane, born in Wellington but moved to Australia when he was five years old.
We also have David Pocock, who emigrated from Zimbabwe to Australia at the age of 14, the Fijian Radike Samo and the Papua New Guinean Will Genia (his brother plays for Papau New Guinea).
With the impact of globalisation and cheap air travel, this trend will, if anything, only become greater.
I am not seeking to institute an Australians-only for Australia policy, or one of shutting our borders to all boats and planes. This is not meant as a racist rant or a xenophobic diatribe. The multiculturalism and embracing of all cultures here is one of Australia’s finest gifts.
It is merely a question around the development systems currently in place in Australian rugby – should we be focusing on developing more Australian-born and raised players?
Do we care if a large section of the Wallabies hails from New Zealand or were developed in the Land of the Long White Cloud?
At what cost comes success for our national team?
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March 15th 2012 @ 2:29am
Jiggles said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:29am | Report comment
I doubt that either Lynn or Harris are in contention for the Wallabies considering their form so far.
Kepu was born in Australia by the way.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:55am
Saikyo Shayne said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:55am | Report comment
Dingo picks on potential, not form.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:56am
granville said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:56am | Report comment
@ Jiggle Bells…..agree both wont be in contention for the Wallabies, there’s a good depth in the Wallabie’s locks this year with the Rebels, Brumbies, Waratahs minus Mumm and the Reds minus Simmons so theres at least 7locks while Harris seriously needs to develop his running game in order to be in contention, he maybe used from the bench as a utility reserve.
March 15th 2012 @ 6:44am
kiwidave said | March 15th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
Toby Lynn was a solid NPC level player for a number of years with Waikato, but I would be surprised if he made the Wallabies.
Harris could get a few appearances if Barnes cops another big smack in the head at some point.
March 15th 2012 @ 1:20pm
Jiggles said | March 15th 2012 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
Are you presuming Barnes is at inside centre? JOC, Tapuai, Horne & Faainga would all be in front of Harris as inside centre options.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:55pm
kiwidave said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
I was presuming barnes as second choice No. 10, plenty of competition there though too I guess.
March 15th 2012 @ 5:55pm
Jiggles said | March 15th 2012 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
I think Deans has shown he prefers JOC at 10. To be honest I am not sure Cooper will get back in the 10 jumper this year. He has come out publicly and bashed Deans’ tactics and selections during the RWC, and Deans does hold a grudge. Id have Barnes down as 3rd choice 10 and 3rd choice 12 if I was picking the squad, but I’m not.
March 15th 2012 @ 5:11am
mania said | March 15th 2012 @ 5:11am | Report comment
“It is merely a question around the development systems currently in place in Australian rugby – should we be focusing on developing more Australian-born and raised players? ” yes, though disallowing imports is crazy at this stage. aus just doesnt have the depth. sure allow these improts in for now in the short term but look at developing your young talent and as much young talent as possible.
ps – lyn and harris will make the wallabies this year, otherwise they’ll still be eligible for NZ. they wont be picked on form but on eligibilty. deans will give them one test (mid year) and then drop them preventing them from representing any other country, esp NZ
March 15th 2012 @ 5:29am
mania said | March 15th 2012 @ 5:29am | Report comment
and one big advantage of learning from NZ is playing rugby with a love for scoring tries and scoring with style. if you’d been influenced by SA or Eng can you imagine how boring it would be?
March 15th 2012 @ 5:03pm
steve.h said | March 15th 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
English and South African rugby is far more entertaining than what has been produced in the Australian conference.
March 15th 2012 @ 7:09pm
Darwin stubby said | March 15th 2012 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
You’re kidding right ? – these 2 are so removed from AB selection they aren’t even in the same book let alone same page …. If Lynn and Harris are being touted as wallabies there is something massively wrong with Aust talent development – they’re journeymen pure and simple …. If you’re talking locking players away re eligibility – look no further than the Timani lads – the younger one can’t even travel freely yet due to visa issues – expect him to be the next run on 1 test lock in like his brother
March 15th 2012 @ 7:22pm
Jiggles said | March 15th 2012 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
Lynn and Harris are so far removed from Wallabies Selection too. I wouldn’t put it past Deans to pick them though, he has a habit of picking out of form players.
March 15th 2012 @ 8:00pm
Darwin stubby said | March 15th 2012 @ 8:00pm | Report comment
Or defaulting to kiwis – they are certainly not good enough for wallaby selection … But I wouldn’t be surprised if he bungs them in
March 15th 2012 @ 6:46am
kiwidave said | March 15th 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
By too much like the kiwis are we referring to the selections of Brent Webb and Nathan Fien?
I was always in favour of those two, I think if you have a coach who doesn’t pick the best players who are available (however they came to be available) then he isn’t doing his job properly.
March 15th 2012 @ 7:41am
mania said | March 15th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
yup problem with the warriors is not enough aussies in the team.
bulldogs for life
March 15th 2012 @ 11:29am
Rugbug said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Mania the Warriors made the Grand Final last year so too did their development teams.
Where did the Bulldogs end up?
Will be an interesting clash this weekend, I see Hasler is already having a sook re the Manu tackle
March 15th 2012 @ 12:15pm
mania said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
used to live in Canterbury Bankstown and have always supported the doggies. sorry rugbug i cant change allegiences. in my defence though before the warriors came a long the doggies took a lot of bad boy troublesome kiwi’s and turned them into great players. saying that i couldnt answer your question bout how well the doggies and warriors are doing cos i havent watched league since the newscorp superLeague debacle of 96/97?
funnily enough i’m a cockroache and when i stopped watching 6 years ago (due to my son being born and not being able to watch the late night live games) is when NSW started going drammitically down hill.
i have no reason to go back to watching league but i would hate to see league die in NZ. the loss of league as a major sport would be criminal and make the sporting world a darker dimmer place.
saw the vatuvei hit and i think hasler is being a bit overly precious.
rugbug – how bout them canes aye?!?!? REPRESENT!!!
March 15th 2012 @ 1:29pm
allblackfan said | March 15th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
mania, oh, I dunno about rl in nz. If it died tomorrow (fat chance), I certainly wouldn’t be losing any sleep!!:-)
March 15th 2012 @ 3:10pm
Emric said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
I thought it was ironic that league supporters in NZ were crying the hilltops that the government should not bail out Otago and yet it was tax payers money which bailed out rugby league on more then one occasion.
March 16th 2012 @ 5:31am
mania said | March 16th 2012 @ 5:31am | Report comment
it’d be a crime ABF. I’ve played both and a lot of the skills i learnt in league (mainly running lines and hard front on tackling) translated over very well to union.
to me the difference between league and union is league is a simpler faster game and relies alot on youth and physicality. union you can use certain tactics (eg mauling) to beat a big strong fast team. league its all about being big strong fast.
March 15th 2012 @ 9:05am
sheek said | March 15th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
This is nothing new. Back in 1899, when Australia played its first ever tests against the touring British team, half a dozen or so Kiwis crossed the Tasman to be selected for, & play for Australia. And the tradition has continued to this day.
One of our most famous & courageous captains – Greg Davis – was also a proud Kiwi. But you wouldn’t know it. When Davis pulled on the gold Wallaby jumper, he gave it everything, & then some more.
Right now, I just wished our Aussies copied the Kiwis in just about everything. It would improve us no end……….
March 15th 2012 @ 11:16am
Denby said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Even the accent?
March 15th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Pierce said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
We don’t have accents, you do.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:34pm
sheek said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
No Denby – we can pass on the accents…..
March 15th 2012 @ 3:23pm
Justin said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Sheek – you are right, this is nothing new and in fact the question that seems to be coming from Sports Freak in reality is this – Should we ignore people living in AUS who are excellent rugby players and concentrate on born and bred Aussies only?
To me its a nothing argument. I dont like poaching players form other countries. However Australia is a country that is popular for people to emigrate to. That will continue and some of those people will be rugby players. I say if they are good enough, get them in.
A lot of the players mentioned have actually come through our development systems.
I really dont see an issue.
March 16th 2012 @ 2:27am
MattyP said | March 16th 2012 @ 2:27am | Report comment
“Right now, I just wished our Aussies copied the Kiwis in just about everything. It would improve us no end……….”
Haha! I must admit that when I read the headline for the article, my thought was “I wish – starting with a forward pack with some starch…”
March 15th 2012 @ 10:01am
katzilla said | March 15th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
‘It is merely a question around the development systems currently in place in Australian rugby – should we be focusing on developing more Australian-born and raised players?’
The answer to that is a resounding yes, but how?
Maybe a junior competition that runs before Super rugby games? Much like the format for Rugby Leagues Junior comp?
You couldn’t obviously involve SA teams, but a trans-tasman junior competition that ran as curtain raisers might work well to keep your juniors and up and comers involved in high end competition without throwing them to the Lions.
March 15th 2012 @ 11:05am
mania said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
katzilla – needs to go back further than that. needs to start in primary schools with inter school comps and please not just private schools. or failing that then local rugby clubs need to organise an age grade comp, starting with at least the under 8′s
March 15th 2012 @ 11:22am
Denby said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
A lack of a public high school comp is the problem. Unless you absolutely love Rugby as a child and join a club it is unlikely you will have the oppertunity to play and develop your skills. This is one of the main problems with building depth in Australia. You will get an oppertunity to play league. Because the backs in league play similar to the backs in union, this is why we have some good depth in the backs in Australia but struggle with depth in the (technically different to league) forwards.
March 15th 2012 @ 11:46am
Snobby Deans said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Shouldn’t it be a case – for all countries, not just Australia – that if you have a player who is eligible and wants to play for you, and he’s good enough, then you select him? Who really cares how they get to be there.
For the argument against this because of the impact it has on born-and-breds coming through the system, the reality is that being denied higher honours by someone coming over here later in life shouldn’t be any different than being denied by another born-and-bred. If you’re good enough, then it shouldn’t matter where your competition for the spot comes from.
March 15th 2012 @ 3:24pm
Justin said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
Couldnt agree more Snobbie. Perfectly put…
March 15th 2012 @ 9:11pm
bmwwilliams said | March 15th 2012 @ 9:11pm | Report comment
@Snobby and Justin
I agree with the sentiments here, but I guess in the extreme case (where any player could play for any country, regardless of place of birth or residency) national sides would become just like club sides, with the world’s best players scrambling to join the strongest teams.
We all know both Aus and NZ have been pillaging Pacific islands playing stocks for years…
I like the idea that pulling on a National jersey should mean something to the players involved (and to the fans), so the idea that a player could fly in one week and pull on that country’s jersey the next, doesn’t greatly appeal.
Not suggesting that’s likely to be the case any time soon, but I think some limitations should be put around it
March 16th 2012 @ 9:46am
Justin said | March 16th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
BMW – there are already restrictions around that with residency clauses of 3yrs etc etc. I think anyone who pulls on a national jersey would have some emotion. Dont sell them short just because they were not born and bred in a particular country.
March 16th 2012 @ 10:44am
Rugbug said | March 16th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
I guess you never read Snobbys post below mate?
March 15th 2012 @ 12:06pm
Bobby said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Without a number of Kiwi players in the team in key positions how else are the Wallabies going to be competitive? The Number one Rank IS the goal isnt it?
March 15th 2012 @ 12:07pm
Happy Hooker said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
The Kiwis have been signing up the best Polynesians for years. Why shouldn’t we take the Kiwis, if they are better than our home grown blokes? Besides, half the Kiwi population ends up living here anyway, may as well take them while they can still play.
March 15th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Snobby Deans said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Just out of curiosity, Happy Hooker, which players specifically are you talking about? Care to name some names?
The following was posted during the world cup. Makes great reading – especially if you note that NZ were the ‘importers’ of 4 players from overseas (of which only 3 were from the Pacific Islands), which is 3 less than Australia with 7 (of which 2 are from the Pacific Islands).
lso worth noting that Samoa have 15 imports, all from NZ, so the reality of the situation seems a world away from perception, does it not Happy Hooker?
PLAYERS BORN IN OTHER COUNTRIES
Argentina : All born in Argentina
Australia: Dan Vickerman (Cape Town, South Africa), Radike Samo (Nadi, Fiji), Will Genia (Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea), Stephen Moore (Khamis, Saudi Arabia), David Pocock (Messina, South Africa), Quade Cooper (Auckland, New Zealand), Digby Ioane (Wellington, New Zealand)
Canada: Nanyak Dala (Jos, Nigeria), Daniel T H van der Merwe (Worcester, South Africa), Jeremy Kyne (Wellington, New Zealand), Jamie Mackenzie (Troon, Scotland), James Pritchard (Parkes, Australia)
England: Joe Simpson (Sydney, Australia), Delon Armitage (San Fernando, Trinidad & Tobago), Alex Corbisiero (New York, USA), Matt Stevens (Durban, South Africa), Dylan Hartley (Rotorua, New Zealand), Simon Shaw (Nairobi, Kenya), Shontayne Hape (Auckland, New Zealand), Manu Tuilagi (Moto’otua, Samoa)
Fiji: Nicky Little (Tokoroa, New Zealand), Campese Ma’afu (Sydney, Australia), Deacon Manu (New Plymouth, New Zealand), Vitori Tomu Buatava (Melbourne, Australia), Michael Tagicakibau (Auckland, New Zealand)
France: Thierry Dusautoir ( Abidjan , Côte d’Ivoire ), Fulgence Ouedraogo ( Ouagadougou , Burkina Faso )
Georgia : All Georgian-born.
Ireland: Ronan O’Gara (San Diego, USA), Isaac Boss (Tokoroa, New Zealand), Jamie Heaslip (Tiberias, Israel), Tom Court (Brisbane, Australia)
Italy: Carlo Del Fava (Umtata, South Africa), Corniel van Zyl (Nelspruit, South Africa), Quintin Geldenhuys (Klerksdorp, South Africa), Martin Castrogiovanni (Paraná, Argentina), Pablo Canavosio (Córdoba, Argentina), Luciano Orquera (Córdoba, Argentina), Gonzalo Garcia (Mendoza, Argentina), Robert Barbieri (Toronto, Canada), Sergio Parisse (Mar del Plata, Argentina), Gonzalo Canale (Córdoba, Argentina), Luke McLean (Townsville, Australia)
Japan: Luke Thompson (Christchurch, New Zealand), Michael Leitch (Burwood, New Zealand), Ryukoliniasi Holani (Nuku’alofa, Tonga), Shaun Webb (Blenheim, New Zealand), Justin Ives (Mosgiel, New Zealand), Sione Talikavili Vatuvei (Nuku’alofa, Tonga), James Arlidge (Hamilton, New Zealand), Murray Williams (Lower Hutt, New Zealand), Ryan Nicholas (Broken Hill, Australia), Alisi Tupuailai (Manunu, Samoa)
Namibia: Jacques Nieuwenhuis (Brakpan, South Africa), Piet van Zyl (Worcester, South Africa), Danie Dames (Pretoria, South Africa), Chrysander Botha (Walvis Bay, South Africa), Conrad Marais (Walvis Bay, South Africa)
NB At the time of their birth Walvis Bay was South African territory.
New Zealand: Mils Muliaina (Salelesi, Samoa), Ben Franks (Frankston, Australia), Jerome Kaino (Tutuila, Samoa), Isaia Toeava (Moto’otua, Samoa)
Romania : All Romania born.
Russia : Adam Byrnes ( Sydney , Australia ), Vyacheslav Grachev ( Tashkent , Uzbekistan )
Samoa: Census Johnston (Auckland, New Zealand), Anthony Perenise (Wellington, New Zealand), Olé Avei (Wellington, New Zealand), Daniel Leo (Palmerston North, New Zealand), Kane Thompson (Paraparaumu, New Zealand), Kahn Fotuali’i (Auckland, New Zealand), Jeremy Sua (Wellington, New Zealand), Tusi Pisi (Auckland, New Zealand), Sailosi Tagicakibau (Auckland, New Zealand), James So’oialo (Wellington, New Zealand), Ti’i Paulo (Christchurch, New Zealand), Filipo Lavea Levi (Hamilton, New Zealand), Junior Poluleuligaga (Auckland, New Zealand), Tasesa Lavea (Taihape, New Zealand), Paul Williams (Auckland, New Zealand)
Scotland: John Barclay (Hong Kong), Nathan Hines (Wagga Wagga, Australia), Dan Parks (Hornsby, Australia), Jim Hamilton (Swindon, England), Ruaridh Jackson (Northampton, England), Max Evans (Torquay, England), Graeme Morrison( Hong Kong)
South Africa : Tendai Mtawarira ( Harare , Zimbabwe )
Tonga: Tukulua Lokotui (Auckland, New Zealand), Kurt Morath (Takapuna, New Zealand), Alipate Fatafehi (Sigatoka, Fiji), Ephraim Taukafa (Auckland, New Zealand), Joseph Tuineau (Suva, Fiji), Thomas Palu (Wellington, New Zealand), Andrew Ma’ilei (Auckland, New Zealand), William Helu (Otahuhu, New Zealand), Siale Piutau (Auckland, New Zealand)
USA: Takudzwa Ngwenya (Harare, Zimbabwe), Iñaki Basauri (Monterre, Mexico), JJ Gagiano (Cape Town, South Africa), Matekitonga Moeakiola (Vaini, Tonga), Valenise Malifa (Pago Pago, American Samoa), Hayden Smith (Penrith, Australia), Tai Enosa (Faga’alu, American Samoa), Andrew Suniula (Pago Pago, American Samoa), James Paterson (Christchurch, New Zealand), Tim Usasz (Brisbane, Australia), Junior Sifa (Faga’alu, American Samoa), Roland Suniula (Pago Pago, American Samoa)
Wales: Luke Charteris (Camborne, England), Danny Lydiate (Salford, England), Toby Faletau (Tofoa, Tonga), Jonathan Davies (Solihull, England), George North (King’s Lynn, England)
IMPORTERS AND EXPORTERS
Importers
15: Samoa (all from New Zealand )
12: USA
11: Italy
10: Japan
9: Tonga
8: England
7: Australia , Scotland
5: Canada , Fiji , Namibia , Wales
4: Ireland , New Zealand
2: France , Russia
1: South Africa
0: Argentina , Georgia , Romania
Exporters
38: New Zealand
13: Australia , South Africa
6: Argentina , England
5: American Samoa , Samoa
4: Tonga
3: Fiji
2: Hong Kong , USA , Zimbabwe
1: Burkina Faso , Canada , Cote d’Ivoire , Israel , Kenya , Mexico , Scotland , Uzbekistan
0: France , Georgia , Ireland , Italy , Japan , Namibia , Romania , Russia , Wales
March 15th 2012 @ 1:05pm
clipper said | March 15th 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
Interesting list, Snobby Deans – shows the depth and popularity of Rugby in N.Z.
It would be interesting to know how many of these are genuine imports as opposed to how many moved to that country as a child, or have a heritage with their playing nation. I’d say all of the Samoan and Tongan imports would have some lineage to that country, but not many imports from Japan and to a lesser degree USA or Italy.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:34pm
Snobby Deans said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Clipper – that’s a good point. I know, for example, that Mils Muliaina went to NZ as a youngster, and the same happened the other way with Digby coming to Aussie.
March 15th 2012 @ 3:01pm
kingplaymaker said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
Shows how much New Zealand loses through it’s small number of Super teams.
Cordoba in Argentina looks like a real production factory of players if Italy is anything to judge by!
March 15th 2012 @ 2:34pm
JBees said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Well said Snobby, to add, Jerome, Ben & Isaia went through the NZ development system
March 19th 2012 @ 6:31am
Enron said | March 19th 2012 @ 6:31am | Report comment
Great to see Burkina Faso getting a mention.. bout time someone took notice of their rugby achievements.
March 15th 2012 @ 3:13pm
soapit said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
really the only change i’d make is to tweak the rule about representing two countries and make it you can’t represent another country for 5 years instead of life.
otherwise the rules are ok the way they are, individual nations mightly be slightly better or worse off but overall i think it balances out pretty well (except for the two countries thing).
March 15th 2012 @ 3:15pm
Sports Freak said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
Thanks Snobby Deans for the list, makes for interesting reader. Australia is fairly high as both an importer and exporter.