Fans want a club, not a name, that fills them with Pride
By Tony Tannous, 16 May 2012 Tony Tannous is a Roar Expert
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While the word “pride” featured prominently in the discourse about the desired culture of the new Western Sydney franchise, for a while yesterday it seemed the FFA had the word “culture” confused with the word “name”.
That was the only conclusion to draw after The World Game yesterday reported that Pride was among the FFA’s preferred name.
With the announcement of the club’s name and head coach reportedly scheduled for this week, Twitter yesterday became a frenzy of anti-Pride sentiment, with the hashtag #NoToPride featuring prominently and many jumping to condemn the thought of such an Americanisation.
Soon enough word echoed that it wasn’t likely. No doubt the backlash had an effect.
Earlier in the day I had tweeted how Sportsbet had framed a book which had “Strikers” as the favourite, ahead of “Wolves”, followed by “Wanderers” and “Athletic”.
I followed it up with a note that the option of Strikers hadn’t even popped up at the two fan forums I attended, in Rooty Hill and Castle Hill.
What became patently clear at these two forums is that the fans, almost unanimously, wanted a traditional football name, such as Wanderers, Athletic, Sporting, United, or, simply, FC.
They expressed, as passionately and eloquently as you are likely to see, how tired they were of the gimmicky, American-style sporting names.
There was the odd call for something akin to Stars or Mars, with legendary Socceroo Ray Richards even putting out Pride, but the majority of the sentiment was for a traditional name, with the Wanderers seemingly the most popular.
They also expressed a near unanimous desire to have the name West or Western featured.
What came across strongly is just how proud those from the western suburbs are of being from the region, and wanting the culture of the club to be based on the culture they exude on a daily basis.
It was a theme echoed consistently at both Rooty and Castle Hill, and no doubt the other forums at Mount Pritchard, Parramatta, Penrith, Campbelltown and Bankstown.
No doubt, when the FFA canvassed feedback via an online survey, this pride in the region resonated strongly in the responses, just as it had done at the forums.
Not only do they love where they are from, but they want their team to have a western flavour run through the ranks, from the manager to the playing staff, and even those in the head office.
While this pride in the region and team is undoubtedly strong, it is in no way a green light to name the team The Pride.
After all, fans had voiced their thoughts precisely against such a scenario.
If the FFA did go against these wishes, it would demonstrate the forums were nothing but a PR exercise. Perhaps this message finally sank through late yesterday.
Even now they have much convincing still to do.
If they are looking to embed some of the culture of the west into the name, the FFA could do a lot worse than focus on the youth in the region.
This was one of the themes that also resonated strongly in the talk about the culture of the organisation.
Primarily, the fans want a team featuring the best young talent in the region, giving the youngsters below them something to aspire to. They want the club to be a pathway for kids from the west, with much of the support base made up of young families and the youth of the region.
Given how sport and particularly football is such a big part of the lives of families in the west, with weekends often consumed driving from one game to another, the FFA could do a lot worse than add a reference to youth in the name.
My suggestion would be either West Sydney AJFC (Athletic Juniors FC) or West Sydney SJFC (Sporting Juniors FC).
Something like that would represent everything about the western suburbs and not lose any of the football tradition that fans crave.
After all, what the fans out west want, above all else, is a club and team that fills them with pride.
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May 16th 2012 @ 3:52am
The Truth said | May 16th 2012 @ 3:52am | Report comment
In what way is it an AmericaniZation? It seems to me that Australia is the country pushing goofy names like Glory, Fury, Victory, Roar, etc. Conversely, the name Strikers has been used by several incarnations of an American soccer team in Fort Lauderdale since 1977. Western Sydney should try a name specific to the region, a concept in which North America is way ahead in this sport.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:23am
Mahony said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Victory is directly from the Latin – Victoria. Hence the navy colour and the white ‘V’. Nothing gimmicky about Victory to Victorians.
May 16th 2012 @ 11:16am
Lucan said | May 16th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
As a Victorian I disagree.
When Tony Ising was starting up the “Melbourne Victory” concept with talk of entering the NSL under this name plenty of folk considered the name “gimmicky”. Even when it finally came to fruition in the HAL it was still considered a “gimmicky” name.
Now it is undeniably part and parcel of football in this city, but let’s not re-write history.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:31pm
Bludger said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:31pm | Report comment
Who started this idiotic nickname trend, like ‘Roar’, ‘Glory’ and ‘Power’?
Mind you a lot of Australians watch reality tv, will vote for the Abbott regime and are devoted readers of the Murdoch press.
Anyone ever seen the film Idiocracy. We are there man!
May 17th 2012 @ 2:42am
mack said | May 17th 2012 @ 2:42am | Report comment
I was the one who started the #NoToPride hash-tag, it got a lot of play very quickly, I was surprised it didn’t trend actually.
It was shocking that it was even thought of as potential name to the point that TWG could report it as ‘preferred’. I was at the Mounties, Penrith and Parramatta fan forums, and the only time “Pride” came up was once by Ray Richards and the fans there disliked it to say the least. From the first moment the name was mentioned, at the mounties forum, it has been a nearly unanimous desire to see a traditional name. Wanderers, Athletic and Sporting Club were the main three.
As the owner of westsydneyfootball.com site I’ve spoken to the FFA on several occasions, including one at length discussion with several of their staff. The name Pride never came up, and I passed on the wishes of my forum members for those traditional names.
Hopefully it was a misunderstanding (or TWG shoddy reporting), as it wasn’t in any of the actual survey’s.
May 16th 2012 @ 7:04am
Kasey said | May 16th 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
HaHa, Tony, you, me and thousands of other football fans were trolled on an epic level by SBS last night. Yes I tweeted a few #notopride tweets, as did Ray Gatt and Richard Hinds:)
later in the evening the Daily Terror’s football writer tweeted this:
Tom Smithies @SmithiesTele We can rest easy – name of @NewSydneyClub will NOT, repeat NOT, contain Pride.
and from Ray Gatt @ the Australian:
Ray Gatt @Gatty54@West_SydneyFC @smithiestele if theworldgame story has exclusive on it and no byline then I know who wrote it and that guy is always way off
I wonder why NO NICKNAME wasn’t an option? Why not just Western Sydney FC? and let the fans develop a nickname organically like Adelaide United fans did with “the Reds” which is now how the majority of the Adelaide media refers to the team.
Pride looks like a little hand grenade thrown into the room by the same idiots that brought you “LucasNeill told team to ignore Pim at WC2010″.
I am so sick of SBS, they are totally irrelevant to me as a football fan nowadays. the way they seek to constantly undermine and belittle the local product is tiresome and does not speak to me as a football fan in any way shape or form.
May 16th 2012 @ 9:34am
Rellum said | May 16th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
You could argue that SBS has done the game a favor by putting that out. Getting the fans to rage and force the FFA’s hand to change it. You could also argue that they are just releasing the spoon fed leak from the FFA.
Either way hopefully that article will kill off any chance that name had of being taken up. I would love to hear from the marketing people at the FFA about how they think a name like Pride would be a great marketing tool.
May 16th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | May 16th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Yet you go to TWG website to comment.. Oh the irony of it all…
May 16th 2012 @ 7:15am
Lucan said | May 16th 2012 @ 7:15am | Report comment
I’m surprised the FFA/WS are even talking about Wolves, Strikers, Pride, considering all three nicknames were used in the old national league.
Why force a nickname at all?? Let one occur naturally.
Heck, if they end up with the red/black horizontal stripes on the shirt the fans and media could unofficially refer to them as “hoops”.
May 16th 2012 @ 7:43am
Australian Rules said | May 16th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
I agree Lucan, and with Kasey.
Let a nickname evolve naturally rather than manufacturing one and plonking it onto a new club.
Wanderers, Athletic Juniors, Wolves etc…these are just as contrived and gimmicky as “Pride”…it’s just the latter has an American connotation that makes it so much less palatable to football fans.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:25am
Kasey said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
San Jose in MLS were originally christened the San Jose Clash [their supporters group called themselves the Casbah;) - natch]
It was only after 5 years that the fans put enough pressure on the Front office to re-claim the ‘traditional SJ soccer name of Earthquakes(from the NASL era) and now it is all the rage for MLS teams to re-connect with the children of the 70/80s who have kids of their own now, with Seattle, Portland, Vancouver and Tampa Bay [in the 2nd tier] all reclaiming their ‘traditional’ names of Sounders, Timbers, Whitecaps and Rowdies. I fully expect that if ChivasUSA ever ups sticks and moves from out of the LA Galaxy shadow to San Diego, they’ll re-brand as the San Diego Sockers to continue the trend.
In this country, our football history isn’t as well known/publicized as the other codes, but for those of us who have been following the game longer than since 2005. Strikers = Frank Farina lifting the trophy in Brisbane and Wolves =Wollongong coming back from 3-0 down to defeat Perth in one of the all time epic Grand Finals, Unfortunately Pride = a desperate attempt to re-brand your mono-ethnic community club in Morwell before the NSL was canned. a change forced on many by David Hill – Who could forget South Melbourne Lakers, Adelaide City Force or the Sydney United Pumas?
Brisbane have developed their own culture and are writing their own history, combined with the fact that the Brisbane Striker still exist I think in the local league means I think the RToar will remain the Roar for a long time to come. Wolves should be placed on the ‘reserved list for an Illlawarra(gong) team when they get their bid together, it just seems right. Pride was an epic troll from SBS and they got their hit count up – job done for the agents provocateur who used to champion the local version of the world game so spectacularly – sad to see what they’ve become.
I will be completely p*ssed and amazed if after the groundswell of support in the fan forums the choice is anything but West Sydney Wanderers playing in a red and Black strip of some description. Rumours suggest we will know(coach, name, colours etc) by Friday this week.
May 16th 2012 @ 10:26am
Lucan said | May 16th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
The “Eastern Pride” tag was self applied in an attempt to reach/represent a larger area and population.
The David Hill era non-ethnic name was Morwell Falcons. Later changed to Gippsland Falcons.
May 16th 2012 @ 2:11pm
apaway said | May 16th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Weren’t they always the Morwell Falcons?
May 16th 2012 @ 3:22pm
Kasey said | May 16th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
I thought so. What were they called before Gippsland Falcons or did that come after Morwell? twas a confusing time to be a football fan.
May 17th 2012 @ 4:28pm
Evan Askew said | May 17th 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
They were Morwell Falcons initially. I have a poster of the team in an Australian soccer magazine from 1990 when they won the Victorian Premier league and they were called Morwell Falcons.
May 16th 2012 @ 1:06pm
Whites said | May 16th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
Sums it up nicely Kasey. It was idiotic to even include Wolves as an option.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:00am
Wasp said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
We in mass have indicated that we want a normal footballing cultural name, not these gimmick names some idiot in Marketing who has never been to seen or was part of a football culture.
The FFA I feel are doing it right and are listening to the people, well we are the ones who will follow the Wanderers or similar popular name we wanted. To put a knife in the back would do what happened in Sydney FC where for so long the club was not connecting with the people and I was one where I was feeling simply not part of the club. I know a number of people felt the same and after several years of being a big fan I now only look at the results.
When the Rovers idea came to head I thought I could get on with this team, but they failed to show up.
Now to get this right they have to listen to the people who will follow, go and use the name of the team.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:19am
Football United said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Pride and any other yankee sounding name is terrible and they deserve to fold if they go with it. i would prefer just west sydney fc and let a nickname evolve over time but out off the shortlisted names and the fact that west sydney have specifically come out and said they want a traditional name thus i’d give athletic or wanderers the go ahead.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:25am
The Cattery said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
We have to be realistic – of course such fan forums are at least partly a marketing push,
If professional sports organisaitons were to listen to fans every time they went boo, you’d go broke very quickly.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:37am
Patrick Angel said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Definitely, people wanted purpose built stadia etc.
I think the A-League would be mad not to put some games at ANZ, much as it sucks it would make the club that much more likely to be publically owned.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:45am
Kasey said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
In America the push for Soccer Specific Stadia(SSS) was part of the development of MLS and protecting its image after the spectacular implosion of the NASL in the 70/80s. Playing in cavernous NFL stadia harmed the image of MLS(except in Seattle – who tarp off large portions of the upper deck) and building a team-specific SSS demonstrated the commitment of the team to staying put in the community – I guess yanks are more prone to their pro franchises upping sticks and moving cities than we are.
In our case I don’t think a SSS would achieve the same. The state govts have provided excellent facilities on the back of RL in NSW/QLD, RL/ RU/football in VIC/WA and the Olympics in SA all that is needed is to tweak the rent conditions I feel.
The putting down of the roots in the community aspect could be achieved by building a community facility/social club/training base, which IMO is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to organize (one would think) than a whole stadium. AUFC had a deal in motion to purchase a club near Hindmarsh Stadium, but in the wake of Rini Coolen’s disastrous reign as manager and likely pay-out, the belt has been tightened and it seems to be off the radar these days.
May 16th 2012 @ 10:55pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 16th 2012 @ 10:55pm | Report comment
The FFA can’t win with you can they TC.
If they don’t involve the fans, you say they have lost touch with the community.
If they have fan forums, you say its a marketing gimmick.
Maybe you should be in charge of West Sydney FC, then we might get no more complaints out of you.
If you’re looking for marketing gimmicks, hey, how about the AFL and GWS “Giants”?
May 16th 2012 @ 11:30pm
The Cattery said | May 16th 2012 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
In fairness, it’s soccer fans all over who constantly talk about engaging with the community, etc, etc.
I don’t pretend that that is an easy thing to do, nor would I be able to explain to you in two sentences what that means exactly – I doubt anyone can.
But as for listening to fans, and this goes for any sport, sit still for five minutes and read through the vast array of ideas that pop up, and you will soon see why listening to fans is not a panacea.
True, you have to do things in such away that put the least amount of people offside as you can manage, but otherwise, no organisation can ever make a decision that appeals to 100% of potential fans – it’s impossible.
I can tell you straight out that if the VFL had listened to fans circa 1980-81, there would not be an AFL today, and to this day, even on this site, you will hear from fans bitter about the fact that things had to change.
So on the one hand, you need to appeal to as many fans as possible to remain relevant, but on the other hand, never, ever leave the important decisions to the fans – they will screw it up every single time.
AS fo the FFA never getting it right, when they decided to replace GCU with a West Sydney franchise, I wrote immediately that it was an obvious call:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/04/05/new-sydney-a-league-team-an-obvious-choice/
Why? Primarily because of commercial considerations. At the end of the day, appealing to fans, and commercial viability, must march together hand-in-hand.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:51am
Mals said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I would vote for:-
1. West Sydney Wanderers
2. West Sydney Athletic
May 16th 2012 @ 8:58am
Captain Kickass said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
As a 25yr resident of sunny ol’ C’town … Sydney Riff-Raff would have suited me nicely and has a nice ring to it !
Carn the Raff !!!
*fist pumps*
May 16th 2012 @ 8:53am
nordster said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Great article Tony. Pride is something that comes from the heart, its not a sticker u can slap on the front of a club.
“West Sydney AJFC (Athletic Juniors FC) or West Sydney SJFC (Sporting Juniors FC)”
love both these btw!
May 16th 2012 @ 8:57am
Futbanous said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Personally I feel the angst about names is Bulls*it. What you see on the park is what counts & its (clubs) connection to the community. A new club is a clean sheet it develops & grows from what happens on the field. The memories add up & are passed on,simple as that.
The Roar went through several phases of angst from connections to the old Hollandia to a nickname for Kiddies.
In the end it matters not a jot.
The ending of occasions like the last 2 Grand Finals are what fans remember not a name
What is a traditional name anyway Sheffield Wednesday is as legitimate & traditional as any club in the UK.
I’m sure the steelworkers & predominantly stoic working class of that city didn’t worry too much about the name “The Wednesday football club” as it was originally called in 1867.
A name tells you nothing about a club otherwise Peterborough/Scunthorpe United etc should equal Manchester United. Poles apart light years away from each other in every respect as a club except 11 players take the field.
Why not Barcabramatta then or Real Rooty Hill & so on.
Australia gets too hung up on names,as though being called United or Wanderers somehow is the key to opening the door to Football Wonderland. If that was the case then SFC would be drawing 30,000 a game not 13,000.
May 16th 2012 @ 3:29pm
Kasey said | May 16th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Odd thing about Scunthorpe United, in the way back machine when all the clubs were racing to establish a web presence they were initially refused a website address for containing a very rude word in their name. can you find it?
May 16th 2012 @ 9:01pm
c said | May 16th 2012 @ 9:01pm | Report comment
cunt ?
May 16th 2012 @ 9:02am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | May 16th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
A name with culture is important, which is why I think West Sydney Yeast is the way to go
May 16th 2012 @ 9:04am
Futbanous said | May 16th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Certainly could rise to the occasion if necessary.
May 16th 2012 @ 9:57am
The Cattery said | May 16th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
No, I fear that would lead to a bun fight.
May 16th 2012 @ 2:52pm
Realfootball said | May 16th 2012 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Good way to do your dough.
May 16th 2012 @ 2:58pm
The Cattery said | May 16th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
And once the billionaires have had their public feud, the fans will just get the crumbs.
May 16th 2012 @ 3:13pm
Realfootball said | May 16th 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
The billionaires always make sure they get their slice.
May 16th 2012 @ 5:50pm
The Cattery said | May 16th 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
Yep – bread and butter for them.